• Waterpumpee@lemmus.orgEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Another idea is to build communities to propagate plants (regardless how they were acquired) and share them (nearly) free of charge.

  • Wataba@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Stripping them off plants, yeah thats just damaging the plant itself and is shitty behaviour.

    Off the ground? Now its crossing from damage into being pedantic about stuff that would go into a mulcher.

    And I highly doubt that those with the patience and skill to propogate make up any significant margin whatsoever.

    • snoons@lemmy.caEnglish
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      12 days ago

      In my limited experience (I found a succulent leaf on the street) the only skill one would need is to remind themselves to water it, like once a week maybe. All you have to do is drop it into pot with some soil and water it every now and then. Maybe some succulents are more finicky though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
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        12 days ago

        Yeah, I’ve got a couple succulents, and leaves will fall off and propagate on their own in the pot pretty often. All they really have to do is fall stem-side down into the dirt and it’ll grow roots and form a new plant. I just gave my buddy a small jade plant that grew from my larger plant that was originally itself a small auto-propagation from my dad’s plant.

      • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
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        12 days ago

        I have succulents on my balcony that outgrow their pots. I break off chunks long enough to have a few root-hairs attached and drop them into the scruffy area at the side of the building. They can’t really root themselves there unless we get a bunch of rain, but I’ve seen a few people take one and it always makes me happy.

    • rockerface🇺🇦@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      12 days ago

      That’s the same sort of business owners who would throw away uneaten food in restaurants and not allow employees to take it home.

      • nullspace@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        That’s different because it’s a liability thing. Some asshole would sue over bad food which means nobody gets the food.

        • edible_funk@sh.itjust.works
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          12 days ago

          It’s not a liability thing there’s laws to protect businesses donating food in good faith. They would literally just throw it away than give it away because how dare anyone get anything for free.

        • WizardOfFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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          12 days ago

          Americans would rather chuck perfectly good food into a dumpster than entertain the possibility of summoning the collective fucking will to fix a VERY straightforward problem. The idea that they could just legislate some reasonable liability protections and make sure edible food gets to hungry people apparently requires a level of imagination and civic competence beyond anyone’s wildest dream. So much easier to blame “some asshole” for creating what is surely an insurmountable legal paradox. The food rots, needy people go hungry, and the US gets to pretend the problem is some unavoidable fact of life rather than admit they just couldn’t be arsed to try.

          • Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world
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            12 days ago

            Most stabilized countries have laws in place for food and protections for donations.

            I’m guessing there’s rules behind this one but in the US:

            The Food Donation Improvement Act: This act expands those protections. It allows qualified businesses (like restaurants, supermarkets, and schools) to donate food directly to individuals in need rather than having to route it through a registered 501©(3) nonprofit intermediary. It also allows nonprofits to charge a nominal “Good Samaritan” fee just to cover the logistics and handling costs of distributing the food.

            I don’t know the specifics of that one though.

            • left_is_best@feddit.onlineEnglish
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              12 days ago

              Easier & cheaper to just throw it away, so most businesses probably don’t bother. We would need to mandate and/or subsidize this behavior if we wanted people to actually do it.

                • left_is_best@feddit.onlineEnglish
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                  12 days ago

                  Sure, but they have stuff to throw away other than food, too, so they’re paying for it regardless. Some places in the US make property owners pay for waste disposal separately, but even then it could be a flat fee so the business wouldn’t gain anything by throwing less stuff away. Some places just include it in property taxes, in which case, again, the business wouldn’t gain anything.

          • Arcadeep@lemmy.world
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            12 days ago

            No, actually, most Americans are not happy about it, but you probably don’t care about nuance and just want to throw a fit

        • balsoft@lemmy.ml
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          12 days ago

          They could donate the food to a food bank and be completely shielded from liability by Good Samaritan Act

          They don’t want to because it means that poor people can eat for free (gasp) which might slightly impact the restaurant industry and indirectly reduce their profit margin by 0.1%

          • nullspace@lemmy.world
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            12 days ago

            You are disregarding the storage and transportation of food that has a very limited shelf life along with requiring strict temperature control. It’s not as simple as tossing it all into a bag at the end of the night. It’s a significant logistical overhead.

            • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              12 days ago

              Looks like that act covers donations to places that aren’t going to be open at the end of the evening shift.

        • Aneb@lemmy.world
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          12 days ago

          The amount of perfectly OK cheesecake that looks barely damaged but can’t sell but can’t take home is very high. But my small town bakery, I can take the store home with me if there’s product leftover.

    • SpaghettiMaster@feddit.uk
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      12 days ago

      The skill involved for many plants is sticking it in the ground and leaving it to do its thing.

      Ask the 5 kale plants on my bathroom window. Got to transfer them to individual pots at some point. Then see if I can get a few more cuttings to make some more. Not sure how many to grow, 10-20 probably but I still need to put up bird netting in the area I plan to put them.

    • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      We got free water at Lowe’s outdoor lawn and garden so I’d stuff plants I found throughout my shit in one.

    • pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works
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      12 days ago

      To add on to this: a lot of customers are probably people who have the patience and skill to propogate. (As others have said, propagation isn’t really that hard, so it’s more about patience and time.) At the same time, if you have the patience and skill to propogate a plant and are still at a greenhouse buying plants, it’s probably because you’re specifically looking to buy a plant where someone has already done that work for you. You’re not going to proplift a plant instead of buying it, because you’re there specifically to buy something instead of doing that work.

      Propagating plants and growing them from seeds is a longer process that’s prone to failure and can take time. It’s very common for gardeners to propogate/grow from seed some plants while also buying others that are already more mature in order to eliminate that process or because all their tomatoes this year died and they need new ones.

      Sure, maybe every now and again you get someone who’s there to buy something else, sees a dropping from a plant they want that they might have otherwise bought, and grabs it, but as you said, that’s really not common enough to cut into their margins. You’re consistently paying for the saved time and effort when buying plants at greenhouses.

      Now, if the greenhouse itself makes a habit of taking fallen plant bits to propogate new ones, that does change things a little bit, because you’re taking something they were going to use. But if it’s just going into the mulcher, who the fuck cares.

  • Ariselas@piefed.caEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Let me guess buying a plant, taking it home, taking a few clippings once it’s healthy and giving them away is also theft like torrents.

    • The_v@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      Like everything, it depends upon the country and the IP protection sought. Even in the U.S. with the most stupid IP laws, the standard PVP (plant variety protection) has what is called breeders rights. This allows a breeder or researcher to use the genetics for research or development of other products. In most countries around the world this is the only type of IP available.

      In the U.S. every so often a dickhead gets a utility patent on a variety or inbred. This has fallen out of practice for any variety sold internationally as the patent is not respected once the plants cross the border. Instead they patent GMO or mutagenic traits. Since these can be inventions, they are usually protected internationally.

    • OwOarchist@pawb.socialBannedEnglish
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      12 days ago

      In some cases, it can be. Certain varieties are protected by intellectual property law and whoever owns the rights to it (probably Monsanto, tbh) can sue you if you propagate and distribute unauthorized copies.

      What a shitty, fucked up world we live in…

      • SpaghettiMaster@feddit.uk
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        12 days ago

        I didn’t distribute or propagate them, someone must have been confused and took them. The left tub is pruning waste, the right one is the one with the free cuttings and bulbs sign.

      • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        12 days ago

        It’s almost like AI, wrt responsibility. Some seeds blow over to another farmer’s field and start to grow, suddenly that farmer can have a ton of problems, through no fault of his own.

  • Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Just a reminder, lots of public libraries have seed exchanges! A little library of seeds free to be taken and encouraged to be dropped off!

  • jambudz@lemmy.zip
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    12 days ago

    I’m pretty sure the store the original post was from put that up to get people to propagate iirc

  • Snapz@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Don’t feed starving kids for free! A business somewhere might profit from their hunger and you are depriving them that opportunity!

    It’s called “ProfLifting” because you are STEALING the businesses opportunity to potentially profit.

      • insanemantis@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        This was a communication teacher who demonstrated to her students how you can get a bunch of people to start thinking about anything by having enough crashouts over it

        No one was thinking about pomegranates until she screamed NO POMEGRANATES and now everyone’s gonna want to bring them to school because of that

  • CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Plucking is wrong anywhere. Taking fallen off props at an independent nursery? Only of theyre cool with it. Big box store? Have at it