We’re training men! Hallellujah!
Anal-ysis
Theyre gonna learn a lot about themselves
… with their socks on of course.
They already know and being in that environment will only make their hatred, which is projected as hatred of lgbtq+ but is actually self hatred, even stronger.
Gyms are becoming breeding grounds for white supremacists and the proud boys. Probably more about indoctrination than learning.
The lead tainted protein powder doesnt help, im sure.
We are all just one stroke or lead poisoning away from be racist assholes.
A gym is the only place a Christian ever tried to recruit me for his Bible study group.
What’s funny is they complain about gender change hormones but shoot tons of testosterone in their thighs because they are too afraid to become feminine.
Really!? Wtf?.
Your accountabilibuddy can be your spotter.
How are they gonna stop lust if they cram a bunch of good looking, sweaty, shirtless dudes in the same building?
With the sheer power of Jesus, duh.
“Jesus is so hot. I want to feel his love fill me up. Cum into me, oh Lord!”
“Uh… I think you mean ‘come unto me,’ bro.”
“I said what I said”
written by Pidcock
I can’t tell if this is one of those satire sites.
Impossible to tell… The dark side clouds all.
It’s real. Published one day ago:
https://baptistnews.com/article/men-only-gyms-seek-to-protect-christian-men-from-lust/
The site isn’t what you might think, though. The article is funny, but also a surprisingly good read:
According to the gym’s website, “There was a season of his life marked by homelessness, addiction and spiritual emptiness.” In another video, he admits, “I had a pornography addiction for almost 20 years.”
Mitch Parsons, founder of Youth Group for Men and Remnant Men in Denver, had a similar experience. “I quit four gyms before I built one,” he says on the Remnant Gym website. “I realized the problem wasn’t the gym. It was that no one had built what I actually needed, or what I wanted.”
I know its easy to laugh, but a “porn addiction” can be serious shit. Terry Crews gave some great talks about how it fucked up his life in all sorts of ways.
Also, it’s healthily skeptical:
Also, despite how often Parsons mentions having nakedness shoved in his face at the gyms in Denver, it’s unclear what he means by that. Gym policies across Denver require their members to wear shirts at all times. And Denver public indecency laws prohibit exposing one’s genitals in public.
This is what Hambrecht and Parsons are doing with their male-only gyms. They’re spreading conspiracies about morality and traditional marriage that cast women as dangerous. They’re promoting men rising up as warrior-kings who are ready to fight evil, and they’re getting rid of women who they claim are ruining everything.
It’s got some good writeups, and spicy ones:
https://baptistnews.com/article/why-do-we-keep-sounding-the-alarm/
As the empirical evidence for the threat white Christian nationalism presents to pluralistic democracy has mounted over the past decade, various insider defenders of conservative white Christianity — and even some mainstream white Christian theologians — have alleged the term is simply a cudgel. Those who qualify as Christian nationalists on public opinion surveys, they argue, only want to see a role for their faith in the public square…
Donald Trump is an abuser. He is an adjudicated rapist and predator. Donald Trump is a grifter. He is a well-known con man who gets away with the con because so many don’t want to talk about it. Donald Trump is a liar unlike any liar most of us ever have known. And there are enormous consequences to his perpetual lying. Donald Trump is literally the most dangerous man in the world, and you want to label me with “Trump Derangement Syndrome” for saying that.
Porn addiction is not a thing. It’s a made up concept slung around by christofascist chuds to hide their actual problem, which is that they have no self control and no respect for others’ boundaries.
I mean people can get addicted to anything, but it’s not the moral hazard they make it out to be.
No, that’s not how addiction is defined. Dependency is not addiction. You aren’t addicted to food or air. What “porn addiction” proponents are trying to convince you of is that any use of porn constitutes an addiction for which the only reasonable treatment is to stop viewing porn entirely. This is a tactic designed to both control and frustrate men to make them easier to manipulate. It’s a shame collar put around their necks to leash them. It’s not scientifically valid, they know that, and they do not care. Don’t mince words with me please.
If you can get food addiction I think you can get porn addiction.
I get the distinction you’re trying to make between behavioral addictions and chemical (? I forget the name) ones like alcohol addiction. But behavioral addictions by definition can be almost anything. I’d wager a good portion of us are addicted to our phones, for example.
You may have a point there, but consider this: Absolutely none of the people behind this “porn addiction” meme are qualified professionals in a position to make that distinction. Their disingenuous and manipulative nature is obvious as shit. You can argue about whether or not some form of porn addiction exists all day, but it doesn’t matter whether or not it actually exists. They don’t care how real it is or isn’t. It’s a useful tool for them to spread fascism, and that’s reason enough to throw it in the garbage.
I didn’t disagree but that doesn’t mean people don’t get addicted to porn.
So you read it right? So you understand that this doesn’t describe the normal human dependency on food? You understand that what they are addicted to is not food itself but some specific foods, because of specific things that eating those foods do for them? I mean, surely you actually read the thing you’re throwing in my face and understand how it reinforces what I’m saying.
I only pasted a link because I had a feeling you weren’t gonna be worth the conversation and I was right
do people. really wear. those shirts ? that’s cringe as fcuk…
Yes. In public. Unironically.
Tribalism and feeling like being in the in-crowd is powerful stuff.
Right? Who even wants anybody to be king? It’s pathetic that their cosmology itself is a fucking monarchy.
What’s wrong with publicly worshiping another man?
Just guys being dudes, right?
Can you edit the post to the original link, OP?
https://baptistnews.com/article/men-only-gyms-seek-to-protect-christian-men-from-lust/
It’s real, but also more critical than you’d think:
This is what Hambrecht and Parsons are doing with their male-only gyms. They’re spreading conspiracies about morality and traditional marriage that cast women as dangerous. They’re promoting men rising up as warrior-kings who are ready to fight evil, and they’re getting rid of women who they claim are ruining everything.
So it’s the “A fascist worked out today, have you?” gym.
Eww, what a mess
Me looking lovingly (Brotherly) at my fellow Lifter In Christ (above the waistline) after signing the “I Swear I Am Not Gay and ONLY Like Women” Covenant:
As the next words out of his mouth are “now get down on your knees”
Sounds kinda gay
This is a dumb response to the issue but some people, both men and women, do show up to the gym in outfits that are viewed as inappropriate in a vast majority of other places. It’s not terribly difficult to keep your attention focused elsewhere but it is understandable that some want to be able to get in a work out without other people’s asses in their face on a constant basis.
I’m sure most of Lemmy will call that opinion prudish or something similar but everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on stuff like that. It’s true that fashion is a personal choice but I don’t see why you would want to do things you know will make others uncomfortable either.
>I don’t see why you would want to do things you know will make others uncomfortable eithe
Because then what I can do is an ever shrinking pocket of appeasing others - fuck that
I tend to agree with you, but then I remember the convo I had with my mother-in-law about why trans people had to wear clothing that affirmed their gender when it made her uncomfortable…
WTF, I can’t even. I just avoid talking to her as much as possible at this point.
Different situations. She can’t force other people to dress differently to appease her, but if they make her uncomfortable (for whatever dumb reason) she’s allowed to avoid them.
But also different situations because sex drive is possibly the strongest biological drive that we have, so even if you’re not helpless against it your brain can be distracted in a way that it won’t get from gendered clothing.
I’m not religious or devoid of self control, or even interested in a relationship with a “gym girl”. But I would still wish the women at my gym chose to dress for function rather than to attract… whatever it is they want to attract. It gets tiresome.
I wanna attract gainz
Sex drive ain’t nowhere near the strongest biological drive we have, whatever that means. I’m no humanologist, but just off the top of my head, urges to piss and eat are definitely “stronger”. You can’t trick a full bladder or empty stomach with a simulation of peeing or eating just using your hands.
Every function the body has ultimately exists to maximize the chance of reproduction
That’s the contradiction.
I think it’s lightly disturbing that young gals feel they must dress like their on a porn filming.
But if someone tries to forbid them doing it, I’d be down with the rest of everyone striking and rioting (that’s how they do it where I live) because if they want they should be absolutely able to dress however they want (that includes men too ofc).
So I guess education could be a thing, like it’s not bad to jog in a tshirt and shorts, don’t need to play dress-up for your personal hobbies.
🤷🏻♀️
Hey if you dress like that, don’t mind me looking. You clearly like to show off and it works, it attracted my eyes. But I won’t stare or bother you.
It’s partly because I want to respect you and your boundaries, and how you look is not an invitation to bother you, but also because I’m looking for women (I actually am not, I have found someone already) who has more to offer than just good looks and doesn’t need to compensate shortcomings by showing off like that.
But don’t mind me looking at beautiful women showing off their body. Just not in a creepy or bothering way. But if you drive a sports car, especially when you chose the bright yellow option, it’s for a reason: Attentions and compensation and I’m not interested. There are also very comfortable (if not more comfortable) sports clothes that do not show off everything.
It’s not only beautiful people that dress this way and that’s part of the problem with voicing an opinion on this topic. When you say “people don’t need to be mostly naked in the gym” everyone pictures an attractive young woman wearing an outfit they don’t personally mind. What I’m saying applies to fat old men, young girls, middle aged housewives, basement dwelling dweebs, and all the other groups of people you may encounter at the gym. If an outfit isn’t cool for everyone to wear then it shouldn’t be cool for the attractive exhibitionist to wear either.
It literally is cool for everyone to wear at the gym, everyone should wear whatever the fuck yhey want to be comfortable while working out, same idea as going to the beach we wear swimsuits because it’s better for swimming not because i think im getting ready to shoot a porn!
It’s cool for everyone to wear. Happy now?
No
If we are measuring by that standard, we should all wear the same uniforms. Because if poor people can’t afford expensive clothes, it also shouldn’t be allowed for rich people to wear them, right? Maybe stairs should be forbidden, because if people in wheelchairs can’t use stairs, no one should.
There are things I prefer not to see. Just as everyone has. But who am I to push my preferences onto others, and who are others to push their preferences onto me. People have their right to be who they are. If you don’t like it, you can go somewhere else. But this means you also have the right to be who you are.
If we start with restricting these things, then where does it stop? If people aren’t allowed to wear tights because some people don’t like to look at it, then what about two men kissing in public? Some don’t like it, so maybe we should ban that too, or maybe ban kissing in public all for everyone?
Maybe turn it around. If it’s cool for some, maybe it should be cool for everyone. If you have a problem with how someone looks (or acts, believes, etc), you are in your right to look and go somewhere else. If someone has a problem with how you look, you still have your right to be who you are.
Restricting people to wear “appropriate” clothing according to certain standards happens in several places on this world. Like many Islamic countries where women need to be partially or completely covered. Or North Korea where people have to wear certain clothes and have certain haircuts.
Nothing I’ve said should be interpreted as me advocating for a rule or enforcement standard of any kind. I’m talking about the way individuals think about this topic. You’re just as free to put your sweaty bare ass cheeks on the chair I’m about to sit on at the gym as I am to call you a disgusting asshole for doing so. I don’t get why you would want to though.
There’s a difference between being technically allowed to do something and that thing being a good idea to actually do. Society functions best when people make decisions with others in mind. Sure, you can make most decisions with the “fuck you, it’s not illegal” mindset but is a society where everyone lives that way the kind of place you want to live?
Yes, i want to live somewhere where people are comfortable wearing workout clothes to the gym.
No, I do not want to live somewhere i have to wear extra clothes to work out uncomfortably because my neighbors are ashamed of the human body.
I think it’s lightly disturbing that young gals feel they must dress like their on a porn filming.
It’s a gym they’re going to work out, it’s like being disturbed by people wearing swimsuits at the beach!
People where I live do it everywhere.
Those new popular female gym shorts that look like they vacuum sealed their ass with a seam going deep into the buttcrack. I really do think that’s a bit much. “Just let women wear what they want” yes I agree. That’s why I built a home gym instead.
Sounds like you’ve been studying those shorts real hard…
While you were lifting weights, I was studying the booty shorts
But you merely adopted the [spandex]. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn’t see [sweatpants] until I was already a man.
I think that’s a bit dishonest. Revealing and sexualizing clothes like that are obviously going to be distracting. Hell, plenty of straight women could admit to be distracted by it.
It’s exercise-wear, the human body is not shameful, it’s not everyone else’s job to prevent your horniness from being a problem! It’s like judging people at the beach for wearing revealing clothing, grow the fuck up!
I didn’t say “shameful”, I said distracting. Human sexuality codes us to take an interest in other people. That’s fine in social contexts, of which going to the beach is basically one. But when people are visiting the gym for a task, taking targeted actions to distract them from it is just rude.
It’s also true that some people’s bare bodies are less appealing to look at. (That can include mine! I don’t mind admitting it) You’re setting a standard that can only ever work for attractive people.
I like working out with virtually no one there, glad I built a garage gym.
I mean come on its the gym you get sweaty that’s why people wear less clothes! It’s like judging people at the beach for wearing a swimsuit that is inappropriate for an office!
If the sight of living human bodies in any state of dress or undress makes you uncomfortable, maybe that’s more your problem than theirs. Your line of etiquette logic is so easily manipulated to abuse and de-humanize people that I can’t help but see it as anything but a tool of (usually misogynistic) violence.
maybe that’s more your problem than theirs.
Correct. And they are trying to solve that problem by not being in a situation that makes them uncomfortable.
That’s not solving the problem. That’s running away from it.
Government provided/mandated booty shorts when?
I’ll support it, but only for everyone regardless of age/gender/physique.
“I’m starving, but instead of eating I’m going to try and solve world hunger first”
You can do two things at the same time. And if you’re really struggling with your internal thoughts, the answer isn’t skip the gym. The answer is find a gym where you’re comfortable, and continue to work on your mental issues.
“Just do better” isn’t a strategy for improvement. It’s a cop out for those who don’t want to think about solving the problem.
If seeing a woman in tight clothes drives you so crazy you can’t even work out you should probably have yourself committed.
Distractions can completely derail motivation. It doesn’t happen to me because of women at the gym, but if I accidentally have the wrong intrusive thought my motivation is gone and the whole workout ends. I’ve stopped mid run and just walked out.
Maybe you’re neurotypical and don’t struggle with this. But not everyone can just “man up and power through”, as you’re implying should be done.
Idk what to tell you. You have to control your own mind. There’s no other options.
I agree it’s completely reasonable if some people would prefer sex segregated gyms. Women too of course.
I’m convinced this was a Tobias plot in Arrested Development.
