(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
The only meat I like to eat pure is the flesh of my enemies.
I have no need to savor the taste of my superiority over a cow or turkey.
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
Generally the same reason people like to video games to emulate real life even if they do not want the games to be real
I am not vegan yet but if i could get the same identical culinary experience as meat minus the horrors of the animal holocaust industry. I will become vegan in a heartbeat.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
It was a serious question. Thank you for providing a serious answer.
I don’t miss meat anymore because for many categories, alternatives have gotten good enough that eating them instead of real meat isn’t really a sacrifice for me, just a different version and maybe a brief period of getting used to it. I’m quite content with vegan chicken stuff and burgers and sausages for example, if the product is well made. Even some cheaper ones have improved a lot. Guess I’m lucky that I never was much into steaks and cheese.
The thing I do miss is being able to go into any restaurant without worrying if they even have vegan options. This might be a big reason why people don’t go vegan. But trying to eat plant-based if practical while making some exceptions would already be awesome. Even just asking for vegan options if there are none would help a lot if enough people did it.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
After 10 years I’m not sure anymore if I’ll eat cell culture meat, because eating real meat is just kinda strange/disgusting to me by now. But I’d be really happy if it became available for the people who do want to eat real meat.
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
thatsthejoke
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
They have multiple points, but a big one is that you can live a happy healthy life without eating animals or animal products, therefore eating those is optional.
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins. Vegans are playing on hardmode by choice and think that makes them special. IMHO they are right; “special” enough to warrant their own bus. Don’t anthropomorphize your food. Chickens are IDIOTS who will cannibalize each other without a second thought, Pigs may be “smart” but are clueless (and also will cannibalize each other like chickens), and cattle are absolute MORONS. In fact the only reason we eat the animals that we do is because their ancestors were too mentally vaccuous to avoid humans altogether. (like say, MOST OF THE AFRICAN MEGA FAUNA which evolved with us and so are wise to our BS.)
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
plant-based mock-meats
Why make plants taste like meat?
That’s the joke dude.
But also it’s for the noobs. Nonvegans will continuously conjure up every excuse possible to keep supporting cruelty, to the point that we now evidently have to make special science meats that people will also probably try to make excuses to avoid.
no one supports cruelty
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Umm, akshually, since animals eat so many plants, eating meat is the far more effective move for plant haters.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
Seeing as I eat both, is fine
If you like meat so much, why do you eat plants and/or seasoning from the get to?
The only plant I put on a steak is a little black pepper. I put more rocks (salt) on it than plants.
Beef steak’s proper function is as a delivery system for chimmichurri, since it’s gauche to just drink it straight.
Garlic, soy sauce, salt. Usually on a london broil, but that steak is SO good.
I marinate cheap flat iron cuts in a mix of ginger, garlic, soy sauce, vinegar, olive oil, and a tiny bit of toasted sesame oil. Better than anything I’ve gotten for a premium at a restaurant.
I would even suggest an actual pepper steak. If not, a bit of horseradish is sometimes nice too.
I’ve cut back on meat over the past couple of years, but I reserve the right to have a plate of chicken tenders when coping with emotional distress.
Valid, I also treat myself to a steak for my birthday
In medical literature and studies, vegans are often described as someone who eats meat no more than once a month. :)
Sure, but that’s wrong and used for convenience because the terminology got muddled early on. That was the original definition (i.e., no eating animal products), but the Vegan Society who created the term changed it not long after (in the 1940s?) to include avoiding exploitation generally “as far as is possible and practicable”. That’s because veganism is an ethical movement that sees this exploitation as fundamentally wrong. There’s still a note about this original definition at the end, of course, because a dietary term is largely how it exists in the minds of non-vegans.
What you’re referring to is a plant-based diet(er) (or “strict plant-based diet” if you want to be really clear and beat marketing buzz). Calling a vegan “someone who eats meat no more often than a month” in the sense of how vegans use the term would be like defining someone who’s anti-dog-abuse as someone who kicks their dog at most once a month.
(Edit: Notably, “vegan diet” is used among vegans, but because it’s a diet that comes as a consequence of being vegan, not because following it makes you vegan.)
TL;DR: That’s a definition used mainly among non-vegans.
You ever try any of the plant-based tender type foods? Even if I wasn’t already vegan, I’d still want to choose those over animal-based tenders just cause they’re that good.
I have! I like the MorningStar Farms ones with some sweet and sour sauce.
Those are tasty, and I appreciate that they tend to be a lower price than most other products.
I never liked chicken nuggets until going vegan, lol. The plant-based ones are amazing.
Truuue, fast food chicken is fake as fuck anyway, it has already been properly imitated.
Even better, when I feel as a lazy fuck I throw the nuggets to the microwave for 30s and eat them with ketchup. They aren’t “raw” so it’s safe to do so, suck it meat tendies you can’t compete.
“Vegetarian + tendies” is completely valid.
Hey, last I checked, you have omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans. Pretty much no one is purely carnivore. Besides, I’ve never heard of an omnivore complain about having to eat “plants” (spices), unless it’s a child who doesn’t like broccoli or something.
Sir, this is a shitpost
Damn, touche.
Omnivore or not, it doesn’t hurt to question how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really is or isn’t, when it’s not dressed up by so many other ingredients. People often assume that they could “never give up meat,” but in most cases when people do reduce or abstain from animal products, they find that animal flesh is actually the easiest thing to let go of. Dairy is usually the most challenging one.
how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really
Oh boy.
Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:
- we should eat everything in moderation, balanced diet is varied diet.
That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.
Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram* once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little more if recovering from injuries. A little more if you’re growing up. A little more in old age if you notice you’re losing weight.
Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/
- Varied meat. Includes offal. White and red.
It didn’t occur to me until now that all spices are plant-derived (except salt, if you consider that to be a spice). I wonder if there are other planets out there where some spices are produced from animals.
There is actually a weird group of people doing a carnivore diet where you basically only eat animal products. Literally to the point of what the meme posted says of not eating like spices, or food cooked in olive oil. It’s wild lol.
I follow some of those people.
What I learned is you shouldn’t do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.
Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don’t know if I believe that.
extreme constipation like 3 days
Fun fact: this is not extreme. Extreme is more than a week. 3 days is the minimal threshold for constipation.
Everyone keeps saying “fun fact” dealin with 💩 info. 😂
Thank you for the info.
I’m laughing harder than is the poop of a fiber detested.
Oh hey, another Jordan Peterson fan! *fistbump*
Fun fact, those two things go together. My oldest is autistic and needed several rounds of feeding therapy before he’d eat anything but Chicken Nuggets like 90% of the time.
if your constipation gets extreme enough your bowels start being unable to pull liquid out of what comes into them. So you go from being unable to poop at all to suddenly just having the still liquid stuff leaking out around the blockage being the only thing that can come out.
I’ll probably regret going there ….
But could this be a scenario where the cheapest chicken tenders are good? Is there any fiber to whatever they use for filler?
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
Meat is too delicious, I need to add a little plant based poison to it each time to avoid meat addiction.
Didn’t some meat-guy literally try to argue vegetables are toxic to humans or some shit
Well many plants don’t want to be eaten or just by specific animals so they have stuff like gluten that is actually a feeding deterrent. Most allergies come from these feeding deterrents. So well yes most plants are toxic we have just learned to eat them - mostly.
Or capsaicin. I hate when plants produce that, LoL
Isn’t there at least one person for ANY kind of bullshit? Also, the father of medicine said once: “everything is lethal, the dosage is what matters” 😁
Yea but I’m talking about some carnivore diet influencer, might have been jordan peterson, who claimed humans can’t even digest vegetables or some shit
…i would fear people who actually would believe such a thing. You don’t need a phd in medicine to know otherwise. Heck, you don’t even need any school-knowledge for that.
Oh I’ve heard that. Idiots starting with a grain of truth on characteristics of “insoluble fiber” and going off into la la land
Everything is toxic to humans at high enough dose
I mean if you stuff your mouth with 30 kgs of carrots you will die. Sounds toxic to me :D
What if you use them as a suppository? 🤔
Gotta add some veggies to your diet.
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
