DINOs doing their best to lose the game
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory yet again!
The entrenched establishment that still controls the DNC aren’t interested in winning elections if it means offending AIPAC or their mega rich and corporate donors. They can’t offer any meaningful change for the working class without risking their own paychecks, so they don’t have any moves except “not Trump.”
Over 100 Democrats are voting against funding Israel now. Are they not in the DNC?
Oh wait, yeah they are.
Or, in reality, the progressive voters don’t show up during Democratic primaries and the DNC responds to those who do.
We showed up for Bernie in droves that the DNC got so scared they conspired AGAINST him to prevent any chance of him being the nominee. I’m done with neo-liberals, they’re as much contemptible as reactionaries, more so because they pretend to be on our side.
they conspired AGAINST him
No, they didn’t. You just believe what you want to believe because the person you like didn’t win. Just like MAGA does. Good for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#Bernie_Sanders’s_campaign But hey, pretend you’re right like neo-liberals do.
Where’s the link where Bernie said he was cheated? Or maybe you can explain why Bernie advocated that everyone vote for the “evil neo-liberal” Harris? Funny how often THAT gets ignored.
Bernie lost BOTH times because he’s not as popular in real life as he is in your bubble. I don’t like that either but it’s reality and you continuing to drive this wedge in the party when Trump is destroying country is NOT was Bernie wants you to do. Unlike you cultists, he has integrity and believes in his causes. YOU do not care about his causes because you help put in office people who set them back by decades.
The link you provided in NO WAY proves that the DNC somehow cheated in all the states Bernie lost. You have to give up this delusional nonsense and face reality. Yes, you have proven that SOME individuals in the DNC preferred Clinton. Guess what? That happens in every single fucking primary. There were people in the DNC who liked Sanders more - but you just discount them altogether because you agree with them. There is NO proof in your link that shows that Sanders would’ve won if those DNC members who didn’t like him didn’t exist. There is definitely no proof that there was voter fraud.
Brad Marshall suggested getting a reporter to question Sanders about whether he believed in God. There is no evidence the proposal was actually carried out.
Mark Paustenbach proposed promoting a story that Sanders’s campaign was disorganized. The suggestion was rejected.
-Schultz’s insults were NOT public before or during the primary.
So several things that never happened and one that was unknown to the public is your apparent proof of nationwide election fraud. Did win Trump win in 2020 as well?
Clinton won approximately 2,205 pledged delegates to Sanders’s 1,846, about 54% to 46%. So superdelegates did not turn the tide in the election.
The lack of debates is also not proof in any way. He had six debates to make his case. He did his best. He lost.
The Bernie-supporter lawsuit was dismissed, so it was not determined if the case had any validity. Is merely bringing lawsuits enough to prove fraud? Because the Republicans tried that like 70 times in 2020 and lost every single on of them.
To be perfectly honest, what you’ve provided is even flimsier than what I expected. There is nothing even approaching solid enough evidence in here to claim he was cheated. You have evidence of bias among a few individuals, NONE of which had their bullshit acted upon. And that’s proof that Clinton didn’t win more elections? You want to pretend that it came down to ONE contest and the DNC cheated there? Her delegate total accumulated across dozens of states/primaries.
This is essentially the same as Trump’s electoral denial. The only difference is that Bernie actually has integrity and Trump does not. Bernie doesn’t claim to have been cheated, Bernie did NOT say to sit out the election in protest.
Every single “progressive” who did that either in 2016 or 2024 is a phoney cultist asshole. They want to pretend that they’re acting in solidarity with Bernie but what they have done is set back the issues Bernie cares about for decades, at least. They’ll be a stain on his legacy.
You’re tilting at windmills, no one accused the DNC of engaging in election fraud (that’s MAGA’s ballpark). The person you replied to said DNC leadership “conspired against” Bernie, which is broad enough to mean a lot of things, including that they coordinated messaging to manufacture controversy around his campaign (as was proven true by the leaked emails).
TLDR don’t fucking care. Coming out in bad faith elsewhere while sea lioning you deserve absolutely no consideration. I would have thought it apparent but has to be spelled out.
Progressives showed up to the primary for New York mayor and the DNC responded with Islamophobia, an anti-socialist manifesto, and threats of splitting the party.
the DNC responded with Islamophobia
Have a source on that?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/top-democrat-racist-tirade-zohran-mamdani_n_6861aab5e4b08e0b4a741231
https://www.jezebel.com/democratic-leaders-join-republicans-islamophobic-attacks-on-zohran-mamdani
https://newrepublic.com/article/199293/democratic-establishment-shunning-mamdani-disqualifying
https://newrepublic.com/post/196734/andrew-cuomo-ad-edited-photo-zohran-mamdani
Hopefully a lot more to go. We even got a progressive who won the Democratic primary for Senate in Kentucky, Charles Booker. Though he hasn’t called himself a socialist, he’s running on the same social democratic platform as the DSA-aligned socialists have been.
Are Americans going to pop a blood vessel in their eye if they don’t use abrivations for everything?
Wait ‘till you learn that GOP stands for Republican.
Grand Old Pedophile Party
aka: Greed Over People party
The entrenched establishment that still controls the [Democratic National Committee] [is not] interested in winning elections if it means offending [American Israel Public Affairs Committee] or their mega rich and corporate donors. They [can not] offer any meaningful change for the working class without risking their own paychecks, so they [do not] have any moves except “not Trump.”
The problem is that most people know these organizations by their abbreviations rather than the whole title
Holy shit AIPAC stands for that? No wonder about the last few years then
(yeah I’m not american, I also only knew these by their abbreviations)
They’ve been lobbying hard for like 30+ years afaik
They’ve successfully overthrown the government with bribes and blackmail, the upcoming military integration seals it.
This is why primaries exist if I’m not mistaken.
Excellent point. If the DNC was captured by AIPAC, then they wouldn’t have primaries, and would instead figure out some way to nominate a pro-Israel candidate undemocratically.
These people who bitch and moan online never vote in primaries or actually participate.
I can think of one
Spill the beans
Also, it’s incredibly simple. Mamdani is getting stuff done but even attempting to get stuff done makes people happy.
Yeah even good intentions are rare
And getting stuff done implies in some part that it could have been done before. So why had it not?
He’s the politician that didn’t get the memo to try and look like you’re doing something, but don’t actually do it. As if we’ll run out of problems to solve and campaign on. Maybe it’s that simple - having to shift to new messages is hard vs. sticking with the old ones.
Turns out Mamdani many other people like him got the memo, it’s that the corporate centrists didn’t get it and have been ignoring for a long time
but even attempting to get stuff done makes people happy.
Meanwhile, mainstream Dems: “We can’t do that. If we tried to do things, the Republicans would be mad at us.”
The corporate donors would be mad
We don’t give a shit about the corporate donors lol
The DNC leadership is controlled opposition, its no more complex that that
Nah. DNC leadership has been in Fear and Crisis mode for years. American politics is a horrible machine that eats goals and wishes and produces misery for the people. Trying to enact positive change is soul-crushingly hard in that environment, but grifting and ponzi schemes play on the fear and frustration of the people for some ephemeral succor who don’t realize that toxicity is making them the ephemeral suckers; so those ponzi schemes are very good for the ciminals who run them, and very bad as usual for the victims.
Mayor Mamdani is upsetting that downward status quo with some rare performance art of improvement, and there’s the small chance he could accidentally force the DNC to actually act on goals that it once held dear and promoted in its actions, when it had the power to do so. If the US survives the grifter convention that is the current kleptocratic administration with any of its tenets intact, and if the DNC remembers how to serve the wishes of the people in action as it does in talking points the public itself has begun to ignore in its own spiral of fear and worry, that’s the best chance I think the US has.
I don’t see a massive reformation of the political system, an upgrade to the voting system that allows for multiple parties, or a regime change in all three branches as being achievable nor helpful, unfortunately. I like to be optimistic, but one doesn’t turn a seniors bus around in the taco bell drive-through lane.
No more complex than that to lazy dumbasses who could possibly think such a thing is that simple.
Dems have to ditch their addiction to AIPAC and corpo money.
Otherwise their fucked.
It’s not “centrist”. Mamdani is centrist. They’re prioritising the interests of the owner class over those of the common people because they’re in pockets of the oligarchy. Which also why they’d rather hand their country to the fascists than question the status quo.
I’d say he’s center left coz of policies like government run grocery stores.
If Mamdani is centrist that means regular dems are quite far on the right
Yeah kinda. Establishment dems are neoliberals, an ideology popularized by Reagan.
Regular Dems are pretty right. And I am not even one of those super hyoer communist lefties.
I have some issues with the EU party mapping onto the PCM there…
Anarchists are not libright, for one…
Ancaps maybe… but anarchist?
To be honest, I’m not sure our conservatives are even in the bounds of that box anymore.
Yes, Dems are center-right
As a European, I absolutely agree
Most certainly. In Germany the corporate Democrats would be considered far right on most issues.
Yes.
They are.
America has two parties: moderate right-wing and fascist.
Holy shit. Lemmy calling Mamdani centrist is… Chefs kiss just peak Lemmy
I’m not Lemmy. I’m just one guy. And I really don’t know what you’re trying to say here.
Because political discourse on this platform is deeply unserious. Calling Mamdani centrist is bizarre. It’s clear that to you and the members of certain instances everything that is not the complete people’s ownership of the means of production constitutes a “centrist”. There is absolutely no nuance and it’s quite silly. Calling the guy that is running government run grocery stores “centrist” because he hasn’t yet nationalized all private entities is really endemic of how this platform is unwilling to move the coalition forward because it is not interested in achieving the goals of socialism; it is only interested in idealizing it through abstract terms but never ever should we dare contend with the real world and how these ideas get implemented.
Well I’m glad we have deeply serious people like you to explain it to us poor fools.
“keep voters happy” aka being part of the plan, mamdani is a plant to stop an actual leftist revo
Proof?
have ya heard of cointelpro out of the cia? do you think they stopped?
God damnit! Listen you little punk, I’ve done way cooler shit then that wack ass FBI shit. Don’t fucking put that lame shit on me.
COINTELPRO was an FBI operation. If you’re going to spout conspiracy theory bullshit at least get the actual facts correct.
so i mistyped, its still far from a “conspiracy”
I mean, if Mandani is a centrist plant, then I welcome our centrist good government overlords.
not good, he’ll return to the center eventually to restore todays status quo. he’s just wearing a mask for now
He said he’d do X. People voted him to do X. He’s doing X.
What is your taal problem with the guy? “He might do Y”, where Y is what you would be getting with any other candidate anyway, seems like a weird thing to worry about.
hes only doin x for now. the bourgeoisie are playing the long game here man, nothing short of a full communist revo will stop capitalist pigs
Do you have a rifle ready to fight that fight? Do you even live here? Or is it just fun to wish for blood in someone else’s streets?
This is the dumbest shit I’ve read all week. The bourgeoisie already had their game locked down. That’s why they wanted Cuomo and after Mamdani beat him once the bourgeoisie still backed Cuomo in hopes of the second time going differently.
The bourgeoisie didn’t need Mamdani to get what they want. Of they wanted to use Mamdani as an example that left populist policies don’t work then Mamdani shouldn’t be winning this much. If Mamdani does X and then in the future becomes Y then nobody is going to think socialism is a failure, they’re going to view Mamdani as a traitor the same way they view Fetterman as a traitor.
You have to sniff some heavy duty conspiracy glue to believe Mamdani is some kind of a capitalist plant. It’s far more likely you’ve been radicalized to a point where anything less than a full blown revolution is not a step in the right direction. That’s not healthy.
.ml
also, ok, what happened to sinema, what’s gonna happen to fetterman, etc. even in your made up hypothetical there’s a very easy solution that everyone here except you can see because it is real and it happened
it isn’t in state and revolution but it is in observable reality
But but everyone else said X can’t be done, and he did X, what kind of monster is he?
What works in NYC against Andrew Cuomo isn’t going to work in middle America.
First of all, bullshit.
Second, neoliberalism demonstrably has already failed to work in middle America, yet the Democratic Party is too fucking cowardly and corrupt to even be willing to try the alternative.
Come on, Americans have been fed propaganda against communism and socialism for at least a hundred years now.
Counterpoint: Americans are so fed up with neoliberalism and late-stage capitalism (whether they think of it in those terms or not) that they were willing to vote for Donald Trump, of all people! They are clearly desperate for something, anything different, which means even a scary boogeyman “socialist” has an infinitely better chance than an economic-status-quo Democrat.
Call it the golden rule party and you have your first start.
Yeah, middle America hates it when things work.
Exactly. Mamdami pulled off a win in one of the more liberal cities in America.
It’s like saying Ron DeSantis has given Republicane am exact pathway on how to win elections and keep voters happy.
New York is one of the more liberal cities? Three names: Rudy Giuliani, Michael Bloomberg, and Eric Adams (has been a Republican).
Meanwhile, Houston has had a Democrat in office since 1982. Chicago? Since 1931. Milwaukee’s most popular mayor (Daniel Hoan) was a socialist.
Read about the tickets on which they ran. Blomberg ran on a ticket not dissimilar to Mandami, Giuliani was elected during a massive rise in crime (and watched it plummet) and Eric Adams won as a democrat.
You could also look at the city precinct votes in the election, huge swathes were Kamala +80 which is absurd. On the island itself, I can’t find a district lower than Kamala at +35.
So yes, we’ve found the winning ticket in a place that would’ve elected Kamala by a landslide, why on Earth would we think that is an example for the country.
Those are pretty typical numbers for cities. That doesn’t indicate that NYC is unusually liberal.
… And yet trump won the popular vote.
So why on Earth can anyone say with a straight face “Mamdani has given an exact pathway on how to win elections.”
Unless they only mean municipal elections, which is not at all what OP is implying.
Mainly because he’s doing something markedly different than the politics that lost the 2024 election for Harris. He’s showed that politics isn’t the simplistic, one-dimensional left-right spectrum that Democrats seem to cling to. Specifically, he’s promised a government that works for people, and delivered. It’s not hard to see why people will actually come out and vote for that over the “we can’t do anything, but chip in some more” messaging.
You liking what Mamdani is doing does not mean it is a path to electoral victory.
Mamdani’s margin was much smaller than Harris’s, what is the evidence that he’s suddenly significantly more popular than when he barely won?
Edit: rephrased from count to margin (pres election should have a higher turnout)
I would argue that Mamdani, AOC, Sanders, and any others who follow that same path are all parts of a different party that is simply forced to run on the Democrat ballot. Meanwhile the true Democrats and Republicans are two wings of the same Corprocrat party who is there to progress the interests of corporations and the only divide is on what to do with the ‘remaining’ population.
Yea, it’s very comfortable shouting this from the bluest state in the country lol. NYC is not Iowa or Maine
Get money out of politics.
It’s not some eldritch knowledge.
Is real.
Yes, well, let’s all remember one little thing that is separate from whatever legislative and social wins he’s getting:
The guy is good. Good at communicating, good at promotion, good at finding common ground. He’s not Che Guevara, he’s an upgraded Obama.
He’s never going to be left enough for .ml, you can see right here they can’t wait to shit on him. What he’s teaching the Democrats is they’re old and busted. A party designed for television and radio.
Plus, do you know how hard it is to be that kind of good at politics? It’s freakin rare. Sure if he could teach all the Dems how to be charming, persistent, kind, and knowledgable why won’t they listen? They’d love to listen but Joe Schmo in Topeka is basically an introvert who just wants to make his community happy.
Has anyone here, on Lemmy, tried to run for office? If so, you probably found it’s basically a lifestyle that takes over everything; work, family, hobbies, health. Pointing to Mamdani and saying “Joe why can’t you be like that” isn’t a matter of just political positions. You’ve got to sell. Sell sell sell.
And I hate selling. And salespeople (no offense). It’s . . . a problem for Dems. Republicans don’t have that problem. Any grifter or sleazeball can step right into a race in their sleep.
That and his lesser touted positions are NOT popular outside deep blue NYC.
I love the guy but he isn’t winning the Midwest with ALL his positions and it’s stupid and basic to think that. No one in Wichita wants government run grocery stores for instance.
They certainly can take pointers from him but there’s a full cemetery of progressive candidates who have crashed and burnt outside deep blue areas.
He’s exactly what NYC wants and needs. He wouldn’t be for every single place across the country.
Also true yeah. But “leftists” on here can’t get to that.
The country is big. Big, big. Slogans only go so far.
Hey did Harris win on being Biden again? She won, right?
Yeah the midwest didn’t vote for a black woman because she was too much like Biden.
If only she had done more for the proletariat!
Hey did Harris win? I’m asking you a question.
What’s the question?
Yeah makes sense you’re a harris stan, you can’t read. No wonder she lost, her devoted fans can’t read anything but a D next to a name. Explains why she didn’t bother with a platform for months, none of her Republican voting base could read.
Being a champion of establishment is the biggest self own in those states, both deep red and blue states.
Nobody want a status quo, when the status quo means everything is getting worse around them. Between status quo or a hail Mary, they choose a hail Mary as it’s better than consistently downgrading
Except we basically already have that. Rural areas are littered with food pantries because rural people tend to be poor as fuck. Maybe they are run by voulonteers now, but why not cut out the hassle and add in some guaranteed funding and efficiency?
You don’t have to convince me. You have to convince them.
Look at Oklahoma- they just voted down a minimum wage increase. You think they’re on board with government run grocery stores?
Why wouldn’t they want that? Why wouldn’t anyone want that?!
Cuz that’s communism obviously. Generations of propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Think about the reddest, most homophobic, bigoted, capitalist, Fox News brained person you can think of who thinks Black people are animals and Hispanic people are all drug smuggling cartel members and “illegals” “deserve” the camps. Now double the bigotry and then imagine a whole town full of that, and, like, one single scared gay kid. That’s not every town, but it’s a frighteningly large number, because America is a massive place and unfortunately with a continent this big you’ll end up with clusters where the outlier becomes the norm.
This was probably almoat 20 years ago, in a small rural (like 5k people) Illinois town I used to love in. We were outside doing some yardwork, and this guy comes door to door selling some kind of cleaner.
Black guy. Which I mention because its relevant.
We chat for a bit, he demos the cleaner, at one point his friend calls so he takes the call.
The friend, also clearly a black guy, is basically saying he is done and ready to leave and basically half the houses threaten to shoot him and keep calling him n***er.
This is rural America, in general. This is MAGA.
Anyway, we bought some cleaner, it seemed to work on the outside mold spots on the house.
Some towns need to be burned to the ground, is what I’m hearing.
I’ve lived in Missouri my whole life. MANY towns need to be burned to the ground out here.
Isn’t the midwest just saturated MAGA, white Christian nationalist and plain ol’ white supremacist? People who vote for centrists but not progressives have long since devoted their lives to the Trump god-king. They don’t care about anyone other than themselves, and may turn around because they’re personally hurt by the economy. But in that case, they’re voting against the incumbent, and don’t care who the opposition is, even if it’s a proverbial sack of potatoes.
At this point Trump is personally responsible for everyone losing money. At least everyone but the handful of guys getting pardons and government contracts out of him.
Harris lost by playing to the center, and an awful lot of polls are telling us that progressive platform ideas are popular.
If you think centrists are fans of trump I don’t know what to tell you except that’s so far off I can’t believe it’s a thought.
wanna add that he’s young and grew up in the same situations that he’s actively working to fix
I’ve run for office, and yeah, the running is a job all on its own. That and everything takes money.
Campaign signs don’t print themselves, canvassers need to be paid, handbills need printers, venues need to be booked, offices need to be rented and all of it, all of it takes money that the majority of candidates simply don’t have on their own.
Once you experience that you realize why a lot of politicians become corrupt, or at least corrupted by the system.
Making political election campaigns illegal to even the field (and use the money for something beneficial) is worth a thought.
No, I don’t know either if it’s even viable. But maybe someone smarter than me can make something out of that thought.
Yea, I have tried to get involved. Not even run just involved with people running. That is even a lot.
Mamdani won in NYC. His experience cannot be directly applied to the entire country.
Governor of Virginia wouldn’t have won on Mamdani’s policies.
We really need to stop being such single-minded idiots.
Abigail Spanberger won a tight race against an overt fascist without endorsements from any of the most powerful political blocs in virginia, like the UMWA, USW, UAW, or CWA. she also ran virtually unopposed in the democratic primary. she is not an example of someone who won because of the value of centrist politics. she’s currently wildly unpopular for vetoing populist left wing bills from the long session (60 days) without providing input during the session about what she wanted. the next, and final session of this legislature is a short session (30 days) and none of the legislaters knew what she wants or needs to pass environmental protections, labor protections, or affordability measures as Virginia experiences a housing crisis.
so.
no.
this is not a good counter example to Mamdani, but instead a good example of exactly why no one trusts corporate dems or ex-CIA agents
Didn’t seem to have much issues trusting them in 2020.
Oh I forgot, we’re not supposed to acknowledge that because it doesn’t fit the narrative. I guess 83 million people is “no one”. The standard leftist excuse for a moderate winning is that “they didn’t win by enough”.
Anyone who thinks the NYC constituency is the same as the entire country is a delusional fucking moron. That’s a completely indefensible argument that has no basis in reality. It’s just stubborn hubris from people who think they can “punish” their way into geting what they want by actively harming the causes they pretend to care about.
Spanberger won a tight race.
- She beat Earle-Sears 57% to 42%. Arguing that this was a “tight race” is disingenuous.
She lacked endorsements from UMWA, USW, UAW or CWA:
- She was endorsed explicitly by the CWA. She was also supported explicitly by other unions: SEIU 32BJ, AFGE and LIUNA. The AFL-CIO didn’t endorse her but that certainly does not mean they preferred her opponent.
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
- If she ran unopposed in the primary, why didn’t Progressives put up a challenger? Is it HER fault she ran unopposed?
She isn’t evidence of the value of centrist politics
- The primary was uncontested so among Democrats you really can’t justify this statement. She then went on to convincingly win VA, which is not a certain blue state. It seems pretty clear to any honest person that her policies combined with Trump backlash are why she won the race.
She’s currently wildly unpopular.
- Recent polling cannot possibly be interpreted as “wildly unpopular”. The worst has at 44% approving/47% disapproving.
She vetoed populist left-wing bills.
- Some argument here, granted, but it’s still misleading. Some of the vetoed measures were bipartisan, rather than “left wing”. The drug affordability bill passed the Senate 36–4 and House 95-4. She has also singed hundreds of positive bills, including regarding housing and the environment. Also brought the state back into the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative. Acting like all she has done is oppose progressive policies is misleading.
She provided no input, and legislators didn’t know what she wanted
- The Democrats who spoke out about not hearing opposition until the veto phase are your hated “centrists”, by the way. Seems your happy to listen to them here. Also, her policy staff worked with legislators throughout the session; she submitted approximately 180 amendments, many of which lawmakers accepted. Yes, there were communication issues here but NO it was some deliberate attempt to scuttle progressive policies.
The “session” shit is ridiculous to begin with. They only meet for 30 days on odd numbered years? That’s supposed to be enough time to go from introducing a bill to passing it? In any event, as stated above, the administration did chime in on the considered legislation over 100 times.
Why am I not surprised to see such a misleading comment from a supposed “leftist”? You contribute to this “post fact” bullshit just as much as the right does.
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
If she ran unopposed in the primary, why didn’t Progressives put up a challenger? Is it HER fault she ran unopposed?
Spanberger didn’t run for Congress is 2024 because she intended to run for governor in 2025. The lack of other primary candidates is obvious evidence of a party clearing the path for their chosen candidate.
obvious evidence of a party clearing the path
No, that’s paranoid delusional bullshit based on nothing. That IS NOT “obvious” evidence that there was some official “clearing the path” the disincluded more Progressive options. The only thing it’s evidence of is that no Progressive candidate stood up and tried to run.
The misinformation is fucking ENDLESS with you guys. It’s like you don’t even remotely care if what you say is true or not.
This is literally Chuck Schumer loser propaganda, stop repeating it. All it took to get conservative Maine to abandon Republicans was to put a rustic white male face on dem soc policy (Turned out the rustic white male was a rapist, so let’s maybe be careful about future rustic white male selection). Talarico is wildly and authentically popular in Texas. Working class policy can win everywhere, so long as voters can see themselves in the candidate.
This is literally Chuck Schumer loser propaganda
No, it’s reality. Don’t try to hit me with your dumbass boogeyman bullshit. My opinion doesn’t come from Schumer, it comes from understanding the the heavily democratic, urban constituency of NYC is NOT THE FUCKING SAME as everywhere else in the country. Only an absolute moron could possibly believe that.
Who? Mamdani marched in the pride parade last month
No, I wasn’t talking to Mamdani on this message board. I was talking to the “progressive” who advocated we drop social issues and focus only on economic ones.
I never said anything about dropping social issues, you brought “giving up on social issues” as a separate complaint in your reply to me and I ignored it for being disingenuous bait. It’s still disingenuous bait, nobody in US politics fights for social issues harder than a dem soc, because social issues are inseparable from economic issues.
Who do you think would fight harder for social issue? Kamala Harris or AOC? Karen Bass or Zohran Mamdani? Haley Stevens or Abdul El-Sayed?
You’re full of shit if you think dem socs are weak on social issues.
Have you ever lived in NYC? It’s not an outlier for US politics in any manner. The immigrants trend conservative, as immigrants in the US often do. There are many entire neighborhoods that are deep red enclaves (Orthodox, conservative immigrant communities, cop / firefighter communities like City Island / Seaside / Staten Island). Multiple NYC mayors have been Republicans, one of them was RUDOLF FUCKING GIULIANI. It’s the beating heart of global capitalism. Mamdani came out of NYC’s most progressive / leftist region of northeast Brooklyn and western Queens and would have never been elected mayor if he hadn’t found a way to communicate working class values to the entire swath of US political identities.
You can repeat his success anywhere in the US if you combine his platform with a relatable local identity and a strong ground campaign. Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Or we can stop pretending that what works on the NYC constituency will work on the entire country. We can ALSO stop pretending that Mamdani is the only type of Democrat to win an election - which again, he did in a race the Democrat candidate was heavily favored to win. NYC electing a Republican mayor in the Trump era is ridiculous. It just would not happen.
Giuliana back then was NOT the Trump-era dingbat he became.
I’m so tired of this “one-size-fits-all” lazy bullshit. Democrats are generally friendlier to workers’ rights than Republicans, that’s really not arguable. Yet, these people are voting against their own interests. Which means Republicans are gaining ground with their culture war bullshit. That’s why Democrats have lost when they did because even if they do support collective bargaining, workers’ rights or higher minimum wage people STILL vote for Republicans because of their culture war nonsense.
The economy was undoubtedly better under Biden than it was under Trump and we STILL have to hear this bullshit that about Democrats are the “real” enemy.
What “freaks me out” is losing control on this country entirely, which you is what will happen if we continue to be inflexible dumbasses who demand absolute purity “or else”.
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Mandami’s political positions are closer to the center than any of the Market liberal corpratists that run the Democratic party.
True, but only because the Democratic party is so far to the right.
