Dems have to ditch their addiction to AIPAC and corpo money.
Otherwise their fucked.
I would argue that Mamdani, AOC, Sanders, and any others who follow that same path are all parts of a different party that is simply forced to run on the Democrat ballot. Meanwhile the true Democrats and Republicans are two wings of the same Corprocrat party who is there to progress the interests of corporations and the only divide is on what to do with the ‘remaining’ population.
Yea, it’s very comfortable shouting this from the bluest state in the country lol. NYC is not Iowa or Maine
Get money out of politics.
It’s not some eldritch knowledge.
Mamdani won in NYC. His experience cannot be directly applied to the entire country.
Governor of Virginia wouldn’t have won on Mamdani’s policies.
We really need to stop being such single-minded idiots.
This is literally Chuck Schumer loser propaganda, stop repeating it. All it took to get conservative Maine to abandon Republicans was to put a rustic white male face on dem soc policy (Turned out the rustic white male was a rapist, so let’s maybe be careful about future rustic white male selection). Talarico is wildly and authentically popular in Texas. Working class policy can win everywhere, so long as voters can see themselves in the candidate.
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This is literally Chuck Schumer loser propaganda
No, it’s reality. Don’t try to hit me with your dumbass boogeyman bullshit. My opinion doesn’t come from Schumer, it comes from understanding the the heavily democratic, urban constituency of NYC is NOT THE FUCKING SAME as everywhere else in the country. Only an absolute moron could possibly believe that.
Have you ever lived in NYC? It’s not an outlier for US politics in any manner. The immigrants trend conservative, as immigrants in the US often do. There are many entire neighborhoods that are deep red enclaves (Orthodox, conservative immigrant communities, cop / firefighter communities like City Island / Seaside / Staten Island). Multiple NYC mayors have been Republicans, one of them was RUDOLF FUCKING GIULIANI. It’s the beating heart of global capitalism. Mamdani came out of NYC’s most progressive / leftist region of northeast Brooklyn and western Queens and would have never been elected mayor if he hadn’t found a way to communicate working class values to the entire swath of US political identities.
You can repeat his success anywhere in the US if you combine his platform with a relatable local identity and a strong ground campaign. Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Or we can stop pretending that what works on the NYC constituency will work on the entire country. We can ALSO stop pretending that Mamdani is the only type of Democrat to win an election - which again, he did in a race the Democrat candidate was heavily favored to win. NYC electing a Republican mayor in the Trump era is ridiculous. It just would not happen.
Giuliana back then was NOT the Trump-era dingbat he became.
I’m so tired of this “one-size-fits-all” lazy bullshit. Democrats are generally friendlier to workers’ rights than Republicans, that’s really not arguable. Yet, these people are voting against their own interests. Which means Republicans are gaining ground with their culture war bullshit. That’s why Democrats have lost when they did because even if they do support collective bargaining, workers’ rights or higher minimum wage people STILL vote for Republicans because of their culture war nonsense.
The economy was undoubtedly better under Biden than it was under Trump and we STILL have to hear this bullshit that about Democrats are the “real” enemy.
What “freaks me out” is losing control on this country entirely, which you is what will happen if we continue to be inflexible dumbasses who demand absolute purity “or else”.
Who? Mamdani marched in the pride parade last month
No, I wasn’t talking to Mamdani on this message board. I was talking to the “progressive” who advocated we drop social issues and focus only on economic ones.
I never said anything about dropping social issues, you brought “giving up on social issues” as a separate complaint in your reply to me and I ignored it for being disingenuous bait. It’s still disingenuous bait, nobody in US politics fights for social issues harder than a dem soc, because social issues are inseparable from economic issues.
Who do you think would fight harder for social issue? Kamala Harris or AOC? Karen Bass or Zohran Mamdani? Haley Stevens or Abdul El-Sayed?
You’re full of shit if you think dem socs are weak on social issues.
Abigail Spanberger won a tight race against an overt fascist without endorsements from any of the most powerful political blocs in virginia, like the UMWA, USW, UAW, or CWA. she also ran virtually unopposed in the democratic primary. she is not an example of someone who won because of the value of centrist politics. she’s currently wildly unpopular for vetoing populist left wing bills from the long session (60 days) without providing input during the session about what she wanted. the next, and final session of this legislature is a short session (30 days) and none of the legislaters knew what she wants or needs to pass environmental protections, labor protections, or affordability measures as Virginia experiences a housing crisis.
so.
no.
this is not a good counter example to Mamdani, but instead a good example of exactly why no one trusts corporate dems or ex-CIA agents
Didn’t seem to have much issues trusting them in 2020.
Oh I forgot, we’re not supposed to acknowledge that because it doesn’t fit the narrative. I guess 83 million people is “no one”. The standard leftist excuse for a moderate winning is that “they didn’t win by enough”.
Anyone who thinks the NYC constituency is the same as the entire country is a delusional fucking moron. That’s a completely indefensible argument that has no basis in reality. It’s just stubborn hubris from people who think they can “punish” their way into geting what they want by actively harming the causes they pretend to care about.
Spanberger won a tight race.
- She beat Earle-Sears 57% to 42%. Arguing that this was a “tight race” is disingenuous.
She lacked endorsements from UMWA, USW, UAW or CWA:
- She was endorsed explicitly by the CWA. She was also supported explicitly by other unions: SEIU 32BJ, AFGE and LIUNA. The AFL-CIO didn’t endorse her but that certainly does not mean they preferred her opponent.
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
- If she ran unopposed in the primary, why didn’t Progressives put up a challenger? Is it HER fault she ran unopposed?
She isn’t evidence of the value of centrist politics
- The primary was uncontested so among Democrats you really can’t justify this statement. She then went on to convincingly win VA, which is not a certain blue state. It seems pretty clear to any honest person that her policies combined with Trump backlash are why she won the race.
She’s currently wildly unpopular.
- Recent polling cannot possibly be interpreted as “wildly unpopular”. The worst has at 44% approving/47% disapproving.
She vetoed populist left-wing bills.
- Some argument here, granted, but it’s still misleading. Some of the vetoed measures were bipartisan, rather than “left wing”. The drug affordability bill passed the Senate 36–4 and House 95-4. She has also singed hundreds of positive bills, including regarding housing and the environment. Also brought the state back into the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative. Acting like all she has done is oppose progressive policies is misleading.
She provided no input, and legislators didn’t know what she wanted
- The Democrats who spoke out about not hearing opposition until the veto phase are your hated “centrists”, by the way. Seems your happy to listen to them here. Also, her policy staff worked with legislators throughout the session; she submitted approximately 180 amendments, many of which lawmakers accepted. Yes, there were communication issues here but NO it was some deliberate attempt to scuttle progressive policies.
The “session” shit is ridiculous to begin with. They only meet for 30 days on odd numbered years? That’s supposed to be enough time to go from introducing a bill to passing it? In any event, as stated above, the administration did chime in on the considered legislation over 100 times.
Why am I not surprised to see such a misleading comment from a supposed “leftist”? You contribute to this “post fact” bullshit just as much as the right does.
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
If she ran unopposed in the primary, why didn’t Progressives put up a challenger? Is it HER fault she ran unopposed?
Spanberger didn’t run for Congress is 2024 because she intended to run for governor in 2025. The lack of other primary candidates is obvious evidence of a party clearing the path for their chosen candidate.
obvious evidence of a party clearing the path
No, that’s paranoid delusional bullshit based on nothing. That IS NOT “obvious” evidence that there was some official “clearing the path” the disincluded more Progressive options. The only thing it’s evidence of is that no Progressive candidate stood up and tried to run.
The misinformation is fucking ENDLESS with you guys. It’s like you don’t even remotely care if what you say is true or not.
Do you really think centrist folks exists??
Who do you think Harris supporters are?
A kit of people are under the impression that the middle of fascism and not-fascism is a happy place
Neo-libs unironically advocate for centrism like it’s a tangible policy and not a cop out.
You don’t know what “neo-lib” means. It’s a buzzword.
Neo-lib means focusing on free trade and privatization under the guise of liberalism.
He lost them with “don’t take corpo checks”
“b-b-b-but how will I afford a gravy yacht?”
🥺👉👈
It’s the billionaires that are pulling them to the right… The money… The greed… The power
Because the DNC isn’t actually on the side of the working class. They aren’t like us. No matter how much they say they are, actions speak louder than words. I just don’t understand why others can’t see the pattern that I do. I see Democrats tanking on purpose, accepting money from influences that don’t have their voters best interest, and reaping the benefits of Republican decisions that they claim they are against…
Just follow the money.
I mean, the last few elections were proof enough. They put up safe (for them) candidates and barely even try to do anything more than be “not trump”. Its infuriating when people preach at me about how great Kamala was going to be and that nobody voted for her out of sexism/racism. I voted for her, but the pre-election was handled like shit and the lack of a primary turned off WAY more voters than they want to admit. The right wingers are constantly calling the democrats communists, and then the democrats respond by selecting their candidate without anyone’s input. They just play into the narrative and reap the rewards while trying to keep the illusion of a moral high ground.
NYC isn’t the country. However, that being said, a few years of him being successful would go a long way to convince the centrists that it’s the way to go.
I mean, most of us here know it is…but we need to get the rest of the country onboard, and showing success is the best way to do that…
Throughtout my life I’ve encountered the “X isn’t Y” thought-terminating cliche anywhere I’ve ever tried to do any sort of activism or advocacy (When I was doing bike advocacy in NYC it was often “New York isn’t Amsterdam” which was especially ironic considering that it once literally was). It’s never once been a meaningful or persuasive point. Reality on the ground is always what we make it, and and policy can be communicated through the right identity and strategies. New Yorkers really aren’t at all that different from Americans anywhere else, the biggest differences are aesthetic.
I’ve been accused of being a centrist, despite basically being to the left of everyone in American politics, and I think it’s because people tend to over-weight the economic left/right spectrum (or project other non-economic issues onto the left/right spectrum), and not place enough effort into thinking through:
- Ideological purity versus pragmatic deal-making.
- Actual governance skill, kinda a technocratic versus populist view.
- When and where it’s appropriate to break the law to accomplish goals, like the lawfu-to-chaotic alignment in the D&D memes.
None of that is left/right or centrist in itself, but my positions (pragmatic, technocratic, lawful) sometimes put me at odds with other voices on the left.
Other criteria that don’t map onto left/right include authenticity, consistency/predictability, coherence across issues, and plain old network connections, and political effectiveness (influencing the public and other politicians to follow your lead on issues).
Mamdani is awesome because he exudes authenticity (like, I’m not a Knicks fan but he can give a great mayor’s speech for his favorite team winning), gets things done (actual stuff around city governance, like snow shoveling), and seems to know how to get policy passed (working with Hochul to get some big ticket legislation on taxing the rich accomplished, even if it will contain some compromises). He is, in other words, an effective politician. We need more people like him scattered throughout different jurisdictions.
I will gladly support a coalition of centrists and leftists to move things to the left, especially if they can flank the current Republican party on plain old competence and honesty/fairness in governance.
I am not from US so I don’t know how NYC is going? Is Mamdani really doing good there?
His policies sure are popular, and definitely better for the people there. The 1%'ers don’t like it, but I haven’t heard of any big names leaving just yet. Definitely passed the test during the last big snowstorm… had the roads and sidewalks cleared in record time.
C’mon guys…
This is the current DNC chair talking about how Mamdani is the future of the party, from over a year ago.
Before Mamdani had even won his general election.
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.
It’s over a year since the person with total and complete control over not just the party but the billions the neoliberals had hoarded…
And there’s still ignorant ass memes about how “the party” hates Mamdani.
This is Lemmy, the truth is as anathema here as it is in MAGA circles.
I’ve noticed there’s a significant delay…
Browse by /new and it’s pretty decent
However there seems to be a lot of accounts that show in threads days later to try and pick fights.
Those accounts almost never seem interested in understanding. They’re just running around trying to start as many arguments as they can hoping someone bites
I’m not here often enough to have observed that. I am here often enough to see a lot of misleading comments pushing a predictable narrative.
We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump.
Oh, is that what they’ve been doing? Could have fooled me.
Democrats have won two standoffs in the current Congress, twice Republicans backs down.
But people like you will willingly ignore that because it doesn’t fit your agenda.
Two entire ones! Out of how many?
Of course you INSTANTLY downplay it. We both know there is no number that you would find acceptable because you’re not being honest about this, you just want your specific “team” to win. Anything that doesn’t fit your pre-determined, confirmation bias-based narrative “doesn’t matter”.
They could do more if people voted for them, but since you deliberately deprived them of that ability, they can only do so much. So many fucking idiots in this country thought they were “encouraging” Democrats to do what they wanted by taking away their ability to do anything.
I did vote for them. I’ve voted for them every election I’ve been able to participate in. I’ve been rewarded with jack shit for my efforts. Biden didn’t root out the fascists when he had the chance and now we’re fucked.
Good for you, NOT ENOUGH people did. That’s why they’re in this situation. You’re mad at them for not doing the impossible because you personally voted for them. That is goddamn ridiculous. And now you’re spreading misinformation and downplaying what they’re trying to do in their limited capacity.
Biden didn’t root out the fascists when he had the chance and now we’re fucked.
What the fuck does that even mean? We’re fucked because a huge portion of likely Democratic voters either were stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies or stupid enough to think they can “punish” Democrats to get what they want.
Democrats beat Trump in 2020 and have won a number of lesser elections but we continue to lie about them “never winning”. We can see them doing exactly what we say we want them to do (hold out in standoffs) and then we criticize them “doing nothing”.
I’m not saying they’re perfect or I have no criticisms. I’m saying this simplistic, low-information one-size-fits-all criticism is largely inaccurate and deserves as much scrutiny as anything else.
I don’t think you understand what the DNC is…
Like, just for shits and giggles, tell me what you believe the DNC should be doing right now. And I’ll probably take the two minute to explain why that has nothing to do with the DNC as an organization.
What if we didn’t do that and instead you just shut the fuck up
Anger and no understanding, how surprising.
Then you wouldn’t understand how our political system works…
And people not understanding how our political system works, is why shit is so fucked right now…
So…
What if we didn’t do that and instead you just shut the fuck up
Shit will continue to get worse and more people will literally die.
Because of your willfully ignorance and need for anyone that helps you to care more about your feelings than correcting your defiencies
And everyone else gets to see that you value personal pride more than the literal lives of other humans.
Especially since you just saw this exchange and kept at the chance to show the class…
Also, rational people are likely to just block you, and will never even attempt to explain anything to you ever again.
Up to you if that’s a path you want to keep walking down with others.
tl;dr
Why would anyone care about the opinion of someone that can’t read more than two sentences?
Love Mamdani, but we can’t pretend the things he campaigned on and is accomplishing in NYC would work everywhere, especially battleground states. Not saying the move is to pivot to the center/right, but we have to be realistic…
They have to maintain this delusion around here. They refuse to believe that their preferred policies aren’t secretly loved by everyone.
FDR populism was supported by farmers. Just don’t push social policies and stick with economics.
You heard it here first, “fuck minorites, gay people, transgendered people etc.” is the new position of “progressives”.
The dems “win” for their masters by losing.
Because the Democratic Party serves the same masters as the GOP. They exist toakensure that a large enough majority maintains faith in the system to keep the populace from revolting. They serve a secondary purpose of capturing and neutering any social movements that might create a danger to the Wall St agenda.
Note that “governing” and “policy” are not part of their purpose.
Hurr Durr BoTh SiDes’
Fucking idiots in here desperate to pretend this utter bullshit, even with all we’ve seen.
Masters = voters?
Lol, what action taken by either party in the last thirty years gave you the impression either of them serve their voters?
Most of them? You can keep pretending otherwise, but they are where they are because people voted for them.
Because the centrists care about money, that’s why they aren’t doing the obvious.
