• daannii@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    Dude my gorgeous friend 38 getting filler. Now looks like she’s ate some shellfish she’s allergic to.

    Keeps getting it every 6 months or so.

    Just awful.

    I can’t tell her cause that will make her feel even worse.

    God I hope she stops. I’m angry at the advertisement and grifters that convinced her she needed it.

    We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway. And she’s thinking she needs to fix her perfect face.

    Idk. I just reject all that nonsense. I’m ready to experience this whole life. I want to be an older woman when I’m older. I don’t want to be one way forever. Boring.

    But culture tells women they are worthless when they are less fuckable. I hate it.

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      We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway.

      Is this a thing?? I’m a millennial and don’t look my age and have noticed the same for plenty of other women around my age. I’ve always wondered about it, but hadn’t heard of it in a broad sense.

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        22 days ago

        Having children takes a huge toll on the body. Millennials tend to have none or a lot fewer children than previous generations. Also, millennials also eat way healthier and smoke less than their parents and grandparents.

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          Alcohol, too. While I do believe many/most did the whole “social life is at the bar” out of high school, I think millennials were the generation that started breaking the cycle more and started doing more things while drunk (like board game bars, video game bars, escape rooms, etc), and then transitioned to not getting as drunk so they could do the things better and not be as much of a burden on those around them who weren’t just trying to get wasted for the night.

          Also more options that weren’t as destructive as alcohol for those that still wanted to get fucked up. And less judgement about those options.

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        Yeah it’s kind of a running joke but true. I suspect it’s because of sunscreen and a lot of us never smoked. Idk. Our generation just seems to look younger.

        People can’t believe I’m in my 40s now. I also have a baby-face so that just adds to it. And I’ve always been good about wearing face sunscreen because im pasty and burn easy.

        Never smoked.

        Also no kids.

        I see the generations after us looking older than us. I don’t know what changed.

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          Heavy makeup is a thing for the older generations and the younger generations.

          I think I’ve only worn full face makeup 3x in my life. If/when I ever do put on makeup, it’s typically mascara. Every now and then eyeliner and eyeshadow. That’s literally it.

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            That could also be a factor. I too wear no makeup most days. And even when I do it’s a little macara or something. Haven’t worn full face makeup since a few times as a teenager for like homecoming or something

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            22 days ago

            Ive been washing my face with bar soap since I was a teen. That’s my skincare routine. And I grew up eating junk food. Though I do eat better now. 🤷

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              I’m the same but with moisturizer (I typically make my own out of cocoa butter, coconut oil, and olive oil) and sunscreen. Also I don’t wear foundation and only wear makeup for nights out and other occasions. I get the occasional zit, but my face is aging gracefully for now.

              My hair on the other hand, I do very little for and is a disaster.

              But yeah I think that it’s really possible to overdo skincare, especially if you buy into all the propaganda that the beauty industry puts out.

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      My wife, 38, objectively gorgeous, is fully on the botox train and it breaks my heart. Feels like its so prevalent a sizeable chunk of the population must have full on body dysmorphia.

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    I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.

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      I also lost about 100 pounds by eating one meal a day and walking a lot and using the EC stack.

      In the span of seven years, I nearly quintupled my income.

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      Wait I’m confused, if patriarchy is still a thing then why are all women in media strong independent “need no man” girl bosses now? Somebody please explain.

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      23 days ago

      I just want you to know that I’m downvoting you because the way you express your opinion is facile and simplistic, and honestly helps further the division you purport to critique. Not because I necessarily disagree with the general sentiment you believe you’re trying to convey.

      One word answers to problems are easy, but they rarely accurate enough to actually help solve the issue and generally are used to push people to extreme opinions. It’s much less effort to just spout a catchphrase to push people towards your own personal goal rather than get into an actually beneficial discussion about the ins and outs of how life actually works and how to solve real world problems.

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      23 days ago

      Honestly I disagree. I rarely see men judge a woman for looks. It’s typically women judging other women for looks. I’ve never seen a man look down on a woman for not having painted nails for example but have seen woman comment on another woman for her nails being chipped.

      There was an old joke like “if you ever are about to have sex with a man and he comments about how your panties and bra don’t match… RUN! What is wrong with that person? No man cares, hell you’re about to remove them anyways.”

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            Sexism is the systematic inequitable treatment of girls and women by men and by the society as a whole Its a form of internalized oppression which consists of oppressive practices that continue to make the rounds even when members of the oppressor group are not present

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              by the society as a whole Its a form of internalized oppression

              Why are women excused but men not? This is why people are downvoting you, you’re holding a double standard.

              Women are free from blame because it’s “internalized” by society but men are apparently immune to that same society? No “internalized” excuse for them?

              It’s pathetic and infantilizes women, it doesn’t defend them.

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        Idk if you’re a man or a woman, but that’s a wild take. I’ve definitely heard men nitpick a woman’s appearance, including chipped nail polish, but above all about weight, which is a big part of the original post.

        In my experience, women are more likely to talk trash about things easily changed: judging someone for clothes that don’t fit well or makeup that’s poorly applied, whereas men will trash women for body type, weight gain, and aging.

        And if you think a man is dangerous to a beautiful woman who rejects them, you don’t want to meet a man who is mad a woman “below” him has rejected him. That can be violent.

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      23 days ago

      Women put pressure on other women too. Girls can be bullies in school.

      I’m not downvoting you, but I am disputing the assertion that only men uphold unfair standards.

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        23 days ago

        patriarchy ultimately benefits men*, but all people can wield it for at least crumbs of power

        when you’re a woman who conforms to patriarchal standards, stepping on the women who don’t helps you look better in the eyes of men*, and so it gives you more power relative to the women you stepped on

        * i am talking about men as a social class here, not men as individual people. before someone not-all-men’s me.

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      23 days ago

      Am I supposed to know Ariana Grande on some deep interpersonal level to realize that she looks like a walking corpse?

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        Oh, wow. I hadn’t seen what she looked like in quite a while. I just looked her up, and that’s uncanny. I would bet her issue stems from the fact she became famous as a child, and feels the need to keep up that appearance. Most famous women are trying to prevent indications of aging (and failing harder than doing nothing), but that’s trying to stay looking 30s, not like a teenager.

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        23 days ago

        A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself. I dont know you but I’m not gonna offer my opinion cuz no one asked. Just because we all have a soapbox doesn’t mean we gotta use it

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          A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself

          Good thing they didn’t offer an opinion.

          Ariana Grande looks insanely unhealthy, like a skeleton, and appears to be in a health crisis with either ED or GLP1 abuse.

          That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. She’s undeniably not naturally that bone thin, nor that inactive during her performances like she’s been recently.

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            Wow she responded to Lemmy

            “The body that you’ve been comparing my current body to was the unhealthiest version of my body. I was on a lot of antidepressants and drinking on them and eating poorly,” she said. “[I was] at the lowest point of my life when I looked the way you consider my healthy, but that in fact wasn’t my healthy.”

            (Actually April 2023)

            https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ariana-grande-address-concerns-about-body-lowest-point-1234713153/

            OK all done with celebrity stuff for the month then! :) cared enough to quickly search once and accidentally found this^ but not opining

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              This might be shocking to learn, but someone who’s clearly going through a health crisis and is clearly extremely unhealthy due to an ED or GLP1 misuse, may actually lie about being unhealthy to get the scrutiny off of them.

              Not to mention Ariana went 30+ years not looking like an actual skeleton. No way in fuck her prior body was less healthy.

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          No, Ariana is beyond opinion. You can literally count her ribs. I literally cringe every time I see her. It’s beyond attractive or unattractive, she simply is not healthy.

          • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Yeah when you can see their ribcage is when I stop thinking they look good and need to get some calories in them.

            Same for the “hyper shredded” men who need to drink more fluids.

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      23 days ago

      There’s no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.

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        Yes… a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women’s physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.

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          This is pretending like it’s all women who do this, or even all the ones who care about their appreance. It’s usually only the extremely wealthy and/or famous. Most normal women don’t see the need for these procedures, but the ones trying to be famous/popular are predisposed to thinking others will look down on them for aging.

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          I’m not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn’t excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they’re “supposed” to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say “you have a problem”

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            23 days ago

            comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.

            this is a poor argument.

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      I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn’t necessary.

      We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they’re harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the “heroine chick” beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.

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        “Heroin chic” is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you’re a heroin addict.

        “Heroine chick” is Supergirl

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          “You are my heroine! And by that I mean lady hero. I don’t want to inject you and listen to jazz”

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      This is it, right here. It really doesn’t matter what women do, there will be a legion of people coming out of the woodwork to disapprove. I’m hardly a transhumanist but when it comes to those small modifications to ourselves to feel more attractive, I’m all for it.

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      Judging people they don’t know by their appearance.

      I’ve seen WAY more women tear down other women for their appearance than men. That and the crazy online dating statistics that came out showing women judge people by their appearance way more harshly.

      I don’t know if its a cultural problem or not, but people in general judge others by their appearance. Beautiful men have pretty privilege just as much as women.

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        I’m a dude but pretty much all the negative comments I get about my appearance come from women. The most I get from dudes occasionally is something akin to “lol, short” but mostly they compliment the fact that I work out. Women go into details about things they see wrong with me. Like I get that for women complimenting me comes with the risk that I’ll be a weirdo about it (not that I actually would) but you can just not say anything…

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    If you can’t accept how beautiful you are, the way you are, doing stuff in your face won’t change it either.
    The wrost part is the internet and the Barbie effect, that brainwashes women, same as politics, because she did, you have to do it or follow the trend.
    Let me tell you what: you are amazing the way you are, you look different, you look beautiful!

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    The most conventionally attractive woman I ever dated, and she had it all, was so incredibly negative about her body but she thought everyone else was beautiful. It actually got kind of exhausting because I would compliment her, not just her looks either, I spent a lot of time trying to learn how to compliment well while dating her. Complimenting her wardrobe choices, hair styles, jewelry; things she actively put effort into is where I’d try to deliver most of my compliments. Anyway, I felt like I was taking crazy pills because she was an absolute bombshell and the most receptive response to any compliment I ever received was “you’re biased”. I didn’t compliment her because I needed her to respond any certain way but I often wonder what happened that kept her from seeing how gorgeous she was. Another behavior I couldn’t figure out is that she almost seemed more drawn to people that would put her down, almost like she expected that treatment or it was a comfort zone for her or something.

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      I’d suspect either abuse in the past or being a really awkward looking teenager. I know it took me a long time to accept I turned out attractive because I looked just awful during puberty.

      There’s also masochistic epistemology, ie the thought pattern that truth hurts and so that which hurts is true and that which feels good is a lie (it’s very popular in toxic internet spaces for example).

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    A lot of “insecurity” and “marketing” comments in here.

    In the world where we don’t shoot from the hip, there are different factors for different things.

    For example, Covid, and the mass use of video calls and TikTok that came with it, brought about the “flat features” phenomenon from cameras, which drove a huge increase in lip fillers and other botox to help people stand out.

    But things like Ozempic are very different, as they are used much more by those who can truly benefit from them to reduce other medical issues that come with weight.

    And to be clear, none of these things are bad. For many they are not needed (in the opinions of others, often myself, too), but that does not make them bad.

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    Hella fat dudes 🙇‍♀️

    Running over a Gypsy and not saying sorry abt it so her dying curse is simply the word “thinner” 💊