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Reminds me of this:
“If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you, would you take a handful?” said the tweet on the verified @DonaldTrumpJr handle.
“That’s our Syrian refugee problem,” said the post, which caused a stir and negative tweets on the internet into Tuesday.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/donald-trump-jr-likens-syrian-refugees-poisoned-skittles
Are you sure THIS is how we should think?
Agreed - by this logic we all just ought to kill ourselves as there’s literally nothing that is risk free.
As per usual it’s a stupid analogy. It assumes that only bad things can happen and the best you can hope for is a not poisoned skittle, it totally precludes the possibility of a beneficial skittle. But of course it does because the Trump family deals exclusively in zero-sum games, it’s either all or nothing with these idiots.
Rewind: I’m in my 20s, well maybe also early 30s. The girls I know all tell me I’m not fit for dating because “you’re just not exciting and dangerous!”
Oh, the completely unrealized irony.
No woman in the world who expresses a desire for danger or excitement is asking for rape.
I’ve literally never heard a woman say they want a dangerous man… except in discussions like this
Wait till you find out about which demographics of men are your statistical danger, gonna turn that misandry into racism or classism real fast
Statistically the most dangerous man is the one you marry.
Thats basically saying all men are rapists, you just don’t know which one is going to rape you.
Not all sharks are dangerous. I’m pretty sure most aren’t (I’m not a shark expert tho, I just know they’re smooth)
Yes. Capable of.
When you go through a safe driving class, they teach you to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot who can’t drive. This isn’t because they are, it’s because it’s safer to approach it that way.
In scouts you’re taught that if you encounter a carrion animal, you should assume it has rabies. Not because rabies is common, but because you really don’t want to be the rare case of rabies.
When you’re learning how to handle firearms, you’re taught to assume all guns are loaded until you’ve personally checked and cleared it. This isn’t because guns magically manifest bullets as they’re handed from one person to another, it’s because it’s safer to make sure than to hope someone else didn’t make a mistake.
The only reason this is any different is because it makes weak men feel the same way they want to make everyone else feel.
Cool so all women are pedophiles b/c some are. Got it.
Yeah, if you got a kid I’d hope you’d assume everyone is out to rape them until you decide otherwise. It literally happens too frequently to not approach it this way.
That is an incredibly unhealthy mindset, I hope you’re joking
If it makes your life better to assume so, go ahead. Who could want to stop you?
When I had the displeasure of meeting a skinhead in my younger teens, he tried to teach me that all black people needed to be treated as horrible lawless thugs with minds equivalent to neanderthals, until they actively proved they “were one of the ok ones”.
Your analogies are good, but the jab at the end is questionable.
See, this is a false equivalence. Comparing a skinhead you met as a teen to the current accepted safe gun practice is like taking an anti ax YouTube video over a doctor. Some dumb fuck somewhere can have any opinion they want, it’s not a standard to live by.
I have no idea what this even means
Racial profiling, but instead it’s about gender expression.
Really, the critique is/should be about how there isn’t enough societal pressure saying “Don’t be a fucking rapist” to men in general. Unfortunately that’s hard to change, it takes time and energy and there’s a significant amount of pushback. So it’s easier to be cautious with how you interact with strange (and rationally, familiar) men. There is a statistically significant non-zero chance they will seek to do women harm. So stating “Men are dangerous”, while not especially helpful in combating that very idea, is technically true.
there isn’t enough societal pressure saying “Don’t be a fucking rapist” to men
When we had much stronger pressure we called it chauvinism. “Men are stronger and better and in full control and you are a bad person to abuse that power over women”. And even with that pressure, women were still raped because some people don’t respond to soft pressure like normal functional humans.
Wait, like, none at all? You aren’t even able to infer anything from like, context or something?
Critical thinking and context aren’t good indicators of test scores, and they’re not taught in schools much.
I think the sentiment kicking off the husband explaining should have been “men are dangerous.” Then the shark metaphor makes sense, because enough men are dangerous and a low-probability but nonzero outcome for choosing incorrectly is so severe (rape, death, kidnapping) that it makes sense to have a prejudicial heuristic to treat them all as dangerous until reasonably proven otherwise.
“All men are dangerous” is an absolute statement and just poor semantic logic, so yeah, this is confusing.
I hate statements like this, where they clearly only say part of what they mean, as a way to make it more sensationalist. I would bet what the original OP was actually meaning is “Act as if all men could be dangerous”. Personally I find that an understandable take, when the minority is so dangerous to you what else can you do.
But instead they choose to phrase it “All men are dangerous”. Indefensibly prejudice against half of the population for something outside of their control.
The post says they know not all men are dangerous, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good saying, just that they are knowingly stating something they know to be untrue. The only reason to leave the quiet part out of the statement is rage bait.
Her husband’s a pussy.
That’s a problem
That all men are inherently dangerous. Apparently we are sharks. I thought it was bears last time…
no pay attention it goes like this bears > men >= sharks
Men bad!
I agree with the sentiment, yes, there are dangerous men out there. But this is a terrible analogy.
How is it bad?
For one, the shark is not at fault. The swimmer is. Which doesn’t really fit the overall message.
Depends on the audience. Some people would be happy with that message…
A better analogy would be insects. Not all yellow-and-black flying insects are dangerous, but if you see one flying around your head, it’s safer to assume it’s a yellowjacket than to assume it’s a honeybee.
What’s this “grape academy”?
Are they talking about the rape academy?
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2026/03/world/expose-rape-assault-online-vis-intl/index.html
Not so much an academy as a bunch of chat groups
wtf is a rape academy?
So the husband’s way of putting it was more precise while the implied blanket statement the wife made is inaccurate.
Makes sense someone in the maligned group would raise a question about it.
I used to think this way, “hey it’s not all men”! That was until my wife was roofied in a bar. Luckily I was there, just in the bathroom, and when I came out the coward bolted away, but it shattered all of my illusions about my own gender.
She put her drink down for less than 5 seconds, at her table, with other friends there. They were distracted for a split second while he put something in her drink. God knows what would have happened if I wasn’t there.
Men, we all need to understand that it may be a few bad apples, but a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Women have to keep their guard up because one slip, 10 seconds of being distracted is all it takes. Before that incident I never thought about how guarded they have to be… all the time. It’s insane. We never have to worry about things like that. Hell I’m pretty sure just this week I set my drink down and went to the bathroom, and still it didn’t cross my mind to check.
Men bad because, yes, men are real fucking bad. There’s people out there who literally do try this shit, and as a woman meeting people they don’t know who you are or what you’ll try. It is not as simple as “Why don’t the trust us”? Because some of us slip roofies into drinks, that’s why. Real men will see that and vow to punch those fucking cowards in the face, watch their female friend’s drinks for them, and many other things.
there are stories of this happening to men
sure it might have been by a man (victim didn’t know)
never got why people drink in bars with all the bad outcomes I’ve read about
Maybe you should go find out? Bars are where the real people are.
i’m old enough now to know better
look up statistics, drink at home
meet new people at a hobby or with food / coffee
young stupid people and alcohol is just a bad day away from shit outcomes
There’s a place a few towns over, it’s like organized rape. The bar owner is in on it, bartenders and the bouncers. They all help drug women and help the rapists. Cops are called every week, they don’t care and are possibly engaged in the same activity. It’s been years. Known as a rape bar. I highly doubt this is the only one.
I hate this argument every time I see it. It could be used to justify so many terrible prejudices that we’ve been trying to get rid of for decades. I got robbed by a black man once so should I now treat all black men as potential criminals?
You put into words thoughts that I’ve been unable to for a while.
Like, I read this and I see how someone makes this argument, but I feel fucking terrible afterwards. Sure you haven’t said I’m a rapist, but you’ve said you’ll treat me as though I am. You can’t expect men as a demographic to agree to this argument if it requires society to assume they’re shitty people, at which point, why is it even being made?
The worst part I feel is that there’s a lot of incel types that conflate feminism with sexism, which we’d like to school them by pointing them at a dictionary. While incels are generally shitty, we can’t ignore the fact that this argument is telling them their behavior doesn’t actually matter because we’re going to act like they’re rapists based solely on their malehood anyways. (to be clear, this is an explanation, not a justification)
Yeah fuck it. I swear these fucking movements are almost intentionally avoiding any caveat that might make it 400% more paletable.
Imagine how many fucking arguments people could have avoided if they called the movement “black lives matter too” instead of “black lives matter”. It’s three fucking letters, but it adds an incredible amount of context and emphasis on the inequality. Same with going from LGBT to LGBTQIA2S+ or other longform acronym that is not as straightforward as LGBT+ (same as the historically well known “name” , paying homage to the idea that there are other forms of this experience(?) that are not covered by the 4 letters) or GSM (Gender & Sexual Minorities , which unambigiously covers everything).
If you want to reply anything among the lines of “The riot is the speech of the unheard”, I said it for you, just move along.
Imagine how many fucking arguments people could have avoided if they called the movement “black lives matter too” instead of “black lives matter”.
It’s so simple, so obvious…and such a missed opportunity. And while I personally saw the “too” as implied, it led to bad-faith actors really twisting it as well as inevitably some people actually not understanding it.
Same with going from LGBT to LGBTQIA2S+ or other longform acronym that is not as straightforward as LGBT+
The fear of leaving anyone out led to tacking on more and more letters, and then disagreements about which letters to include.
GSM (Gender & Sexual Minorities , which unambigiously covers everything).
I haven’t heard this one before, but I like it for its simplicity.
“Defund the police” was another fail in that the phrase didn’t accurately portray the actual intention and was off-putting to people who might have otherwise supported it.
And while I personally saw the “too” as implied, it led to bad-faith actors really twisting it as well as inevitably some people actually not understanding it.
Don’t you think bad faith actors will do that regardless? The problem isn’t that the names were bad, the problem is a large amount of people had no interest in learning anything beyond the name and/or actively fought against learning what those groups were actually for.
The racial metaphor is misplaced and disingenuous to the conversation. Let’s say as a woman, just about all of your women friends have been at some point attacked by a dog. Some have been completely mauled, some have managed to fight the dog off after a couple of bites, some managed to run away from the dog and jump into a car before it could bite them, and most have a combination of stories from their lives. Some are traumatised and scarred for life, others have been able to move on largely as normal, but they haven’t forgotten that scary moment.
Now our woman may or may not have been attacked by a dog before, but because of all these experiences she’s seen her friends go through, the fear, the lifelong injuries they carry - the pain, the embarrassment, the shame, the blame - she’s pretty anxious about getting a dog. Especially one where she doesn’t know its history. It’s a big dog, strong, gorgeous and seems so sweet wagging his tail. But most dogs are like that when you first meet them. It’s the rarest of dog that shows you complete aggression from the beginning and you know full well to stay away from them. She doesn’t know if she brings this dog into her home, if something seemingly benign might set it off. It’s even riskier if she lives alone.
(As an aside, isn’t it ridiculous that a woman should feel embarrassed or ashamed for having been attacked by a dog… or good god - blamed for inciting it - was she carrying beef jerky visibly as she walked down the street, she should have known a wild dog couldn’t control itself at the sight of jerky??)
If the frequency of dog attacks were as prevalent as violence and assault against women is - no one would be allowed to keep a dog for a pet. Sure, it’s NOT ALL DOGS, but the likelihood and the severity of the consequences is such that you’d be crazy to go into the situation of dog ownership without taking precautions, and in the back of your mind you’ll keep remembering all those friends who’s dogs were sweet right up until they weren’t.
People who have beautiful dogs at home, who see their dog snuggle their baby and is sweet to their cat, and have only ever had warm interactions with dogs won’t understand the fear. Not all dogs they’ll say.
Someone else will come along and say it’s only brown dogs you have to worry about. (Sounds ludicrous in this phrasing doesn’t it).
But you know what the difference is between dogs and humans. In a pack of dogs, the good dogs will call out the bad ones. They’ll pin them down, bark at them, gnash their teeth - make it clear that’s not acceptable if you want to be a part of this pack. Even when play fighting gets a little rough - they say when it’s enough. The dogs keep each other in line.
What we’re seeing in life is that the dogs are saying to women, not all dogs are going to maul you and leave you with scars for life. Most of us are good dogs, and it’s not fair you’re scared of us when we’re not doing the attacking. We’re not seeing enough good dogs giving strong reinforcement. Making sure they’re being well socialised when they’re growing up. They’re not going out and engaging with younger pups and teaching them how to behave properly, they’re not even pulling their friends into line and baring their teeth saying that behaviour is not ok. Even as a joke.
The point is - every woman has multiple stories of people she knows being victimised, and sadly the odds are, she will have some kind of personal experience with it in her lifetime. The impact of being assaulted is every bit as lifelong and traumatic for the victim as a frenzied dog attack.
If we treated it with the severity it really carries, and according to the overwhelming frequency with which it occurs. We’d realise a response of “not all men” is not enough.
This is an exceptionally well written rebuttal to a stupid comment.
The original comment falls into the false equivalency
It’s not all men, but we need all men to fix it. Everyone is responsible for the state of their community, and the man community has been failing.
Well written wall of text seems AI written
But you know what the difference is between dogs and humans. In a pack of dogs, the good dogs will call out the bad ones. They’ll pin them down, bark at them, gnash their teeth - make it clear that’s not acceptable if you want to be a part of this pack.
If a human man tries doing that, people will tell him to “stop white knighting” and they’ll shun him worse than the guy whose behavior he was trying to put a stop to.
The fact is that predatory behavior is often indistinguishable from typical human mating rituals when viewed from the sidelines. The difference ultimately boils down to whether the recipient of the advances is accepting of them, which is often an internal thing that no one but a mind reader could tell from an outsider’s perspective.
People tend to be aloof and circumspect about these types of things. Women don’t always openly reject unwanted advances. Sometimes they expect the guy to “just figure it out.” And women don’t always openly encourage wanted advances either. Sometimes they expect the guy to “just figure it out.”
So, if a woman is being quiet, is she just playing it cool, or is she silently resenting the guy talking to her? At what point is a nearby observer supposed to step in and say “Is this guy bothering you?” And if she says “it’s fine,” to what extent are you supposed to take her word for it?
Or are we all just supposed to magically know the secret code to perfectly interpret every situation every time? Because at that point, what’s the point of having a secret code in the first place?
I stopped talking to women because almost always they expected me to “just figure it out” without them ever having to state how they feel, good or bad. Maybe they tried dropping hints but they went over my head. Sometimes I had the feeling they were dropping a hint but I didn’t know what it meant one way or the other. And then they would get upset when I didn’t read their minds. And I’m supposed to believe that that’s a moral failing on my part? When my whole life I’ve struggled with a lack of social skills in general to begin with?
So I stopped talking to women, to avoid the situation altogether. And now I’m expected to somehow intervene in other people’s interactions?!? Which still requires a modicum of mind reading ability, by the way.
It’s ridiculous. Men don’t have this magical ability to control what other men do.
How many women were in the rape academy chat groups? From what I’ve read it was all men.
If you already see the world through a racial lens, then sure. But I think you missed the point.
Really seems you were the one who missed the point.
No, I understand perfectly well that y’all just want to mischaracterize a generalization into supporting your racism.
You may want to read it again. That statement is not meant to promote racism. It’s using racism to point out that attempting an entire group of people over the actions of a few is a bad thing. It’s the example of the bad thing to try to get you to understand.
Unfortunately it didn’t work for you
I have a friend who is a woman who insisted that it’s a majority of men who do things like grope women on dance floors or exhibit other such sex pest behaviors.
I pushed back on this because I quite strongly believe that not to be the case, and pointed out that encountering such men a majority of the time when going out doesn’t require a majority of men to behave that way. An incidence rate of, say, one in twenty still virtually guarantees you’ll run into multiple if you’re in a crowd of sufficient size.
I’m also not trying to downplay the seriousness of it being a very real problem. Nor do I deny her lived experience of encountering that behavior often when going to concerts or whatever. Literally just pointing out that such an experience doesn’t require a majority.
She got offended, calling me out for not believing her and accused me of making a “not all men” argument to try to invalidate what she was saying, despite explicitly agreeing that it’s a problem that needs addressing.
She is not wrong. Pretty much every man in my firm will bully you if you don’t behave like that.
And in a bit of irony, the woman co-worker that drives me told another co-worker “oh, he doesn’t like women”.
Like, cmon, just because I don’t behave like that!?!
There is a distinction between prejudice and bigotry, and while I understand your point, the reality is that women need to be on guard constantly, not because of all men, but still specifically because of men.
They are continuously exposed to stories like the Rape Academy website, see sexual violence normalized in media, encounter rape threats online, and virtually all of them have either experienced sexual assault themselves or know someone who has.
And while this is not all men, or even most, the statistics are clear: perpetrators of violence and sexual assault against women (and against men) are overwhelmingly male. Since there is no reliable way to identify which men pose a threat until it is too late, it’s unsurprising that many women develop this as a safety mechanism.
It’s unfortunate that this can harden into bigotry, but it’s equally unfortunate that the threat giving rise to it exists at all.
Your analogy of being robbed by a black man “once” actually highlights how widely the pervasiveness of this threat is misunderstood. For women, this isn’t a single incident. It’s a lifelong threat most acute during their formative years.
So by way of a counter analogy: would you admonish a black person who grew up in the American South during the Civil Rights era with “not all white people” or “not all cops”? Or would you recognize that their wariness was, prejudiced or not, a rational response to a very real danger?
I agree that we should strive toward a society where no one is judged on anything but the content of their character. But it’s worth noting that countless men rush to admonish frustrated and traumatized women with “not all men,” while far fewer show up when stories like the Rape Academy actually break. This imbalance is itself part of the problem.
And if we as men want women to extend more good faith to us as a whole, perhaps the more productive question isn’t whether the prejudice is fair, but why so few of us are doing anything to make it less necessary, and why are so many of us more interested in pushing back against their reactions instead. And it calls to mind MLK’s observations about the white moderate.
Bad analogy. Skin colour was not a factor in the criminality here. Being a man absolutely is when it comes to violence against women.
Prejudice is unacceptable for any immutable characteristic, such as sex, gender, race, or sexuality.
The epidemic of male violence on women is evidence based, therefore not prejudice.
Judging all men based on the actions of others (pre-judging them, if you will) just because of what group are, is prejudiced.
The post literally says not “all men”. I don’t know why yourself and so many other commenters are inserting a straw man to argue with. If it’s intentional, it’s a bad-faith practise. If it’s unintentional it’s a literacy issue (common problem is USA).
The post literally says not “all men”.
Really? Because the title of the post is “All men are dangerous”
Even if the post didn’t say that, that’s what others in the comments are defending and/or advocating for.
I read the heading “all men are dangerous” as a misrepresentation of the screenshot - which is what I’m pushing back on. I definitely don’t think that all men are dangerous. I would be relieved to think that the comments here take issue with the heading and not the body text/screenshot, but the comments I’ve responded to haven’t made that distinction.
You don’t want to open that Pandora’s box.
Just get ready to say that causation and correlation are not the same… except when it confirms my priors.
FBI stats put black people 13% of the population at 51% of violent crime offenders. That’s evidence based are you saying that treating black people differently because of these statistics is therefore not prejudice?
That’s data, not evidence. To treat it as evidence you’d have to understand the causes (poverty, segregation, policing patterns, etc.).
And you’re mixing two things: using group averages to judge individuals vs managing risk under uncertainty. The first is prejudice, the second is safety behaviour.
Men on average are simply a higher physical risk to women than women are and so cost of being wrong is higher.
Caution is not the same as prejudice. Women should not need to put themselves in potentially unsafe situations for the sake of men’s feelings. I have to live with the fear that I might be assaulted again, every day. Every woman knows someone that has been assaulted. I will never give a man that opportunity again, and that means that I’m going to have to live in such a way that I will mistrust a lot of good men too, because we don’t know which ones are dangerous to us. My assaulter was a close friend, was active in the community, and had my trust. For many women, it is family and close friends.
Caution is not the same as prejudice
If you “caution” against all men, then yes that is prejudice, just as it would be if someone was “cautious” against black people.
and that means that I’m going to have to live in such a way that I will mistrust a lot of good men
That is prejudice. Be cautious in a non-prejudiced way, nobody will care.
You know what? Shame for the imaginary, ideal, equitable world you have in your head, but as long as you aren’t exterminating people, some prejudice is good.
Lmao, what a terrible opinion. “Prejudice is okay because the world isn’t perfect.” At least you aren’t in denial like half the other people in this thread. The world will never be ideal or equitable as long as people like you are justifying, and advocating, the non-ideal and inequitable. Please spend less time in it.
The end goal is no one trusts anyone, and mutual safety is ENSURED. Because I have seen for myself that humans are incapable of anything else.
We have a somewhat viable society, because if you commit a crime, men with guns will come to stop you with force.
It’s not because of trust or anything like that.
But who will put down those men with guns? I have no idea.
Now, about the prejuduce part, it is fairly safe to assume that anyone who is a billionaire is a total psychopath.
Now, not all men are dangerous, but if you let your guard down near everyone, you will end up raped and dumped into the nearest lake, and won’t be equalizing anything.
I am being cautious in a non-prejudiced way. Being afraid of black people because of something unrelated to their race is very different than being cautious of men for something directly related to their sex. I was assaulted by a man, like most sexual assault victims were, especially women. Being cautious to not be alone with men I don’t absolutely trust again is not prejudice. There is no way to visually distinguish a rapist. I was assaulted by a close friend that I trusted and would have never thought to be cautious of. A large proportion of victims are assaulted by someone they trust, like family and partners. I am orders of magnitude more likely to be assaulted again by a man. You would have me put myself at risk or be a complete social hermit just for the sake of “fairness.” My actions just aren’t about men, they’re about keeping myself safe and being happy.
Being afraid of black people because of something unrelated to their race is very different than being cautious of men for something directly related to their sex
Not really, you are assuming the behavior of someone based on their immutable characteristics, they are both prejudice.
There is no way to visually distinguish a rapist.
Except if they look like a man, right?
You would have me put myself at risk or be a complete social hermit just for the sake of “fairness.”
No, I would have you be cautious of every human because every human is a possible abuser. Your trauma is not an excuse for prejudice, neither is statistics. Judging any individual because of the group they were born as is prejudice, you are a prejudiced and intolerant person.
I am not assuming anyone’s behavior. I am acting with the caution that my experiences dictate, because I don’t want to be raped again. Men and women can be rapists. I am orders of magnitude more likely to be raped again by a man. My trauma isn’t excusing prejudice because I am not prejudiced against men. I am not judging any individuals, I am just choosing to not be alone with any men that don’t hold my absolute trust. It simply isn’t about them. No man is owed my time, or the time of anyone else, and it’s well within my rights to choose to my company.
Again, it’s not about you. I am not judging any individuals, I hold no opinion on them personally, whatsoever. Is choosing to wait for my friend to be ready to leave so I don’t walk home alone prejudice? Is carrying pepper spray in an accessible location prejudice? Is declining invitations from acquaintances because I don’t want to be alone with them before I know them better prejudiced? All of these choices are informed by my experiences. I have much more to fear from a random man than a random woman, statistically. It isn’t even close. I have watched men try to single out friends of mine, friends of mine have been roofied, or worse, even ignoring my own experiences.
The only way I treat men differently is the same way most women are taught to growing up, by bitter experience or through lessons from our peers and parents: I exercise caution in who has my company, when, and in what environment, because no one is owed my presence or my trust. The people that are safe will show me that and the people that are not will get defensive and make it about them.
You arm yourself, and go in knowing you can overpower anyone you are with. Hide weapons everywhere.
I feel bad for you. Sucks to have to live in fear. Do you have any feasible solutions? I have not seen many actual proposals on what should be done, except maybe improving equality and fighting discrimination. But those are not solutions for your fear.
I mean, have we tried just killing all men? /s
I just don’t put myself in situations where that could be a problem anymore. Trusted individuals share my location. In the long run, the only thing that fixes this is education and cultural shift. For individual women’s fear in the short term though, all we can do is live cautiously, carry pepper spray and/or some form of weapon, and always be around people you absolutely trust.
I do not blame men in general; there are men in my life that are excellent examples and the most safe people to be around. I blame the men that are entitled to women’s bodies. Unfortunately there is no way to look at someone and know the difference. No one knows what a rapist looks like. I very much appreciate the men that choose to be understanding and respectful instead of bitter or defensive.
I mean, have we tried just killing all men? /s
I’m not saying “do it”, I’m just saying run it through it the computer and see if it would work.
A real solution: make men afraid to assault women. Make it so taboo they would never consider it. Express horror and disgust at the merest suggestion of it. Punish it decisively. Don’t give the benefit of the doubt.
It would have to be unfair as hell and would ruin a lot of men’s lives but I think it would eventually fix our fucked up culture. Once men stop sexually assaulting people so much they’ll be less scary.
A real solution: make men afraid to assault women. Make it so taboo they would never consider it. Express horror and disgust at the merest suggestion of it. Punish it decisively. Don’t give the benefit of the doubt.
You described exactly how pedophilia is treated. Was it solved?
It would have to be unfair as hell and would ruin a lot of men’s lives but I think it would eventually fix our fucked up culture.
Isn’t unfair treatment and ruining of people’s lives what were trying to solve? How more ruined lives are solving this?
Let’s take all your feeling towards men relative to how you feel towards women and apply some statistics to it to determine what percentage if those feeling you should have towards black people relative to white people.
Men are 5.1-5.5 times more likely to assault someone compared to a woman. Black people are 2.7-2.9 times more likely to assault someone than a white person (according to FBI statistics) Combining these relative ratios tells us that you should be bias against men 1.44-1.48 times more than you should against black people. All these values are for a 95% confidence interval.
So whatever your feelings towards men are (as a result of assaults) take that amount divide that by 1.44 to 1.48 and that’s the percentage of ur feelings towards men you should apply to black people. So however u feel about men due to their chances of assault you statistically must be feel between 68% and 69% of that feeling towards black people. Anything else would be logically inconsistent and purely bias either against men or in favour of black people.
So what is it are you biassed against men or biased against white people or willing to abandon ur argument. The mathematics objectively say that you have to be one of those options.
You are misappropriating statistics to present a story they don’t tell. When you normalize for economic and social factors, including victim race, there is no statistically significant difference due to race alone. No race is inherently criminal, it’s entirely based on socioeconomic factors and systemic prejudice. There is no systemic prejudice against men, precisely the opposite, for a long time. Sexually motivated crimes have sexual factors to consider. It would be just as justified to fear race motivated crime perpetuated by certain groups of people, as it has been by many groups targeted by racial violence in history, around the world. Your analogy is not a direct one. A more analogous one would be people fearing race motivated crime, or fearing homophobia motivated crime. Both of those happen often. Fearing sex motivated crime and acting in accordance with your safety is totally valid.
Is skin color a factor in poverty?
Is poverty a factor in criminality?
Because all the CRT and BLM arguments I’ve read have said unequivocally yes to both of those things…
Women are punching up. Racists are punching down.
Feels different cus of the power dynamic.
Is there like a robbery culture analogous to rape culture that I’m not aware of? Is there a ruling class of black people who feel entitled to other people’s stuff? Do black people frequently avoid robbery charges on the grounds that one mistake shouldn’t ruin a whole life with jail time and a bad record? Are you sure you didn’t want that black man to rob you? What were you wearing at the time?
This argument is so stupid I don’t know why you got so many upvotes. It’s nothing like the same situation. Men in general are physically stronger than women, men ARE generally more dangerous to women than women. Racism is the baseless belief that race determines the danger someone poses, but men are actually more dangerous to women in a very real way.
No physical or moral judgement is required for the argument. Op not passing moral or physical judgement upon the sharks but simply making a statistical analysis of the outcomes of swimming with sharks. That very same statistical argument can equally be applied to racial groups.
Statistically a black man in the unites states is twice as dangerous as a white man in the unites states both of whome are statistically more dangerous than a woman. (According to FBI statistics)
Your cannot separate these arguments you may have ur cake or u my eat it but you cannot do both.
Stop spreading the missinfo on sharks! Sharks are fairly unlikely to eat you.
On the other hand, to be fair, we would not have a society if every man committed rape, but they can hurt you in other ways too.
It’s important to be cautious and distrust everyone.
Misandry.
The post is titled “all men are dangerous”.
Nobody is denying that some men are dangerous. Nobody is denying that you can’t tell if someone is dangerous or not. Nobody is denying that men are physically more dangerous to women than other women.
What you, and everyone else, are saying is that “all men are potentially dangerous”.
What you, and everyone else, are saying is that “all men are potentially dangerous”.
“All men are dangerous” is the exact same sentence as “all men are potentially dangerous.” These are the exact same sentence.
Someone is not “dangerous” if they’re actively in the act of raping someone. They’re well past the point of being dangerous to being an active violent threat. “Dangerous” in this context simply means “risky.” And yes, all men are dangerous if you don’t know about them. They present a potential danger. Ie, they’re dangerous. A woman meeting stumbling across a random man on a street at night is in a dangerous situation. There’s real risk there. Even if the guy turns out to be a saint, that danger still exists until proven otherwise.
It can’t be proven otherwise, because mr.saint can just be acting to get you alone.
Always carry a pepper spray, ignore the offended incels.
Ah, ok thanks. I’ve seen this crop up a few times and wondered how the arguments spin wildly out of control. I get it now.
You (and I assume the OP) are using the word “dangerous” differently than most people here.
When you say “dangerous”, you mean “might be a threat”, right? Most people here understand it as “is a threat”.
To use an abstract example, to me “this sandwich is dangerous” and “this sandwich is potentially dangerous” are wildly different. One says this sandwich is definitely poisoned or something, the other is simply telling me to keep my guard up.
By “most people” you mean “men.” You’re doing the male as default.
The way women, who are most people, use dangerous, is that the person might be a threat.
Women are half the population. Neither men as a group nor women as a group are ‘most people’
I’m literally going off the upvotes / downvotes, nothing more.
Dangerous and potentially dangerous are not the same sentence. Every person, male or female is potentially dangerous.
And interestingly, lesbian relationships are theoat violent, while gay male relationships are the least.
Even assuming that by theoat you actually meant to write “the most,” the assertion seems unlikely at best. By what metric are you measuring violence?
EDITED to add I found this in Wikipedia, which I think accounts for the bizarre twist:
Yeah, like I’m sure they can pull up some data on a specific country such as the US, showing a disparity between the population which was enslaved and discriminated against for hundreds of years, and still is (both discrimination and slavery, as the injustice in the justice system puts more black people into prison for longer and the constitution literally allows slavery as a punishment for a crime) and the majority ethnicity, but even those disparities are honestly tiny, minuscule in comparison to the difference between violent crime rates between the sexes.
Like those are just bullshit you can’t apply universally to an ethnicity and definitely not just like a skin tone.
But men being more violent?
According to the 2015 International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences, sex differences in aggression is one of the most robust and oldest findings in psychology
Racism is the baseless belief that race determines the danger someone poses, but men are actually more dangerous to women in a very real way.
Guess my whole comment is just to reiterate this point, which you already made. Anyway there’s some more and an updoot
Welcome to the police. Here is your badge and gun. You appear to have been trained already.
Nice ratio. I think people missed your joke. ACAB
People are a bunch of bastards. Embrace nature and live like a hermit.
OK. I was abused by a woman. And know of many cases of abusive women (men too, but we’ve already decided in this context that all men are dangerous, so that’s beside the point). So this means all women are dangerous, too?
unfortunately yeah
do women statistically commit as many violent and/or sexual crimes? no. but some still do
I’ve been made fun of (lightly, but still) for letting friends know when I’m going home with a strange woman (which I shouldn’t do at all but do anyway for various reasons). Strangers are strangers, you never fuckin know
do women statistically commit as many violent and/or sexual crimes? no. but some still do
The statistics cannot be trusted so long as it’s based on prejudistic data.
do women statistically commit as many violent and/or sexual crimes? no. but some still do
Even that assumption I’ve started questioning. My abuser never appears in any crime statistics, because it’s not particularly easy to prosecute a case that is mostly based on psychological torture, since the crimes are hard to prove, easily dismissed as “just a bit of nasty behavior” and have relatively short times within which they have to be reported in order to be prosecuted, depending on the country you’re living in. If on top of that you’re a man and the abuser is a woman, have fun getting anyone in charge to legitimately believe your story. It doesn’t diminish the violence that occurred, I just barely survived it.
Certain kinds of abuse are vastly underreported. Domestic, psychological and sexual violence (which are not exclusive categories, by the way) belong to these kinds of abuses. Some statistics say northwards of 40% of domestic abuse victims are men, for instance. Well at that point, we’re kind of close to parity.
So let’s focus on reducing violence entirely. Because another thing I’ve learned: while the individual elements of abuse tend to differ between men and women, the patterns are almost always very similar.
Yeah. It’d be nice if people could just… stop fuckin abusing each other. Gender differences are part of the conversation but we should be discussing it in ways that raise awareness and equip people to recognize, report, and reduce violence. Not in ways that just cause more fuckin arguing and division. Which isn’t easy. I certainly have fucked up my rhetorical approach to these things, I think. But we should try, at least :(
Eh, that will only be possible with…
…the extinction of humanity entirely.
Or modification of humanity.
Humans are naturaly just awful chimps.
Does this explain why people 100% trust and love their cat.
Then they go to work as a manager, managing their human resources, never uttering a nice word.
Interestingly, the most violent relationships are lesbian, the least violent are gay men.
Hetero falls in the middle.
That’s not really accurate, or doesn’t really tell the whole story.
Another version:
A firing squad executes people. Out of 5 shooters, if only one has a real bullet and 4 have blanks, the execution still happens.
The firing squad kills people, but it only takes 1 member to define the group.
What even is this analogy? The blanks are people going out and pretending to rape people??
Reading comprehension has taken a total nosedive, or men in these comments are willfully misinterpreting very clear language because they can’t stand the idea of being compared to dangerous men.
We know not all men are dangerous. We don’t know which men are dangerous. And by the time we find out there isn’t much we can do about it.
That’s the takeaway.
Half the comments: BASICALLY SAYING ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS
My best friend is a man. He’s a wonderful person. I love all the men I’ve chosen to be in my life. I’ve identified them as safe. I, too, don’t want them to be pre-categorized as potential monsters. But it doesn’t matter what I want. Enough men violence or sexually harass women that the gamble is too risky.
And here’s the scariest part.
Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.
Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.
Put your stupid pride aside for a fucking second and address that there is a problem when how violence against women is normalized and dismissed. Even now in this very thread.
It doesn’t mean men can’t be harmed in return. I know plenty of abusive women exist out there. That does not negate a single part of this argument. It’s another problem, and one we should also take seriously and address.
We should ALL be on team: All Of This Sucks And We Should Do Something About It
Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.
Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.
I don’t see how the latter follows from the former. The statistic claims that when a woman is killed, the odds are >50% that it was a partner or family member.
It makes no statement of the gender of the partners or family members, and it’s also not “a coin flip” whether your partner kills you. If you get killed, it’s a coin flip whether it’s a stranger or not.
Over half of homicides committed against women come from intimate partners and family members.
Like, even when we find men we think we trust, it’s still no better than a coin flip that one day they might violently hurt us, rape us, or kill us.
That’s not how that statistic works.
“All men are dangerous”
Funny how you’re redefining that into something else entirely. A straw man.
Replace men with blacks and see how racist you sound.
You need to get your eyes checked. The title of the post itself is “All men are dangerous”.
This is some incredibly obvious rage bait of a post, meant to get people arguing past each other because some people will assume the sort of good faith discussion in the image, others won’t accept ot anyway, and some will be explicitly calling out the bullshit title while others defend the argument in the image, shouting past each other about different things.
“They must be marvelous olives.”
