Power consumption is part of the equation now too. You’ll often see newer generation hardware that has comparable performance to a last gen model but is a lot more power efficient.
Or you’ll see something equally efficient and equally performing at the same power levels…except you’ll see newer gens or upgraded skus allowed to pull more power
60% or 60 percentage points ?
Wouldn’t that be the same thing with no other percentages in sight because we’re subtracting from 100%?
I have no idea, that was just a tongue in cheikh reference to that other thread
This is why I love Lemmy (it’s a reference to another thread btw)
Naming conventions are somewhat consistent; it’s the pricing that has gotten a bit out of hand.
Is 5090 the model number or price?
Yes.
Meanwhile the data i care about, efficiency, is not readily availlable. I’m not gonna put a 350 watt GPU in the 10 liter case if i can have the same power for 250 watt.
At least TomsHardware now includes efficiency in tests for newer cards.Tell me about it. The numbers that I’m interested in - “decibels under full load”, “temperature at full load” - might as well not exist. Will I be able to hear myself think when I’m using this component for work? Will this GPU cook all of my hard drives, or can it vent the heat out the back sufficiently?
Temperature is meaningless unless you want oc headroom. A watt into your room is the same no matter the temp the part runs at.
That’s not correct, I’m afraid.
Thermal expansion is proportional to temperature; it’s quite significant for ye olde spinning rust hard drives but the mechanical stress affects all parts in a system. Especially for a gaming machine that’s not run 24/7 - it will experience thermal cycling. Mechanical strength also decreases with increasing temperature, making it worse.
Second law of thermodynamics is that heat only moves spontaneously from hotter to colder. A 60° bath can melt more ice than a 90° cup of coffee - it contains more heat - but it can’t raise the temperature of anything above 60°, which the coffee could. A 350W graphics card at 20° couldn’t raise your room above that temperature, but a 350W graphics card at 90° could do so. (The “runs colder” card would presumably have big fans to move the heat away.)
I wish this was data was more available. I got a GPU upgrade 6800xt and it’s so loud. I can’t enjoy sitting at my desk without hearing a loud whine and a bunch of other annoying noises. Its probably because the card is 2nd hand but still.
Maybe not cuz I have first hand 7900xtx and if I load it up it whines horribly lol.
GamersNexus has start add efficiency score in frame / joule. Also have full writeup of video on website.
Just don’t rent one from NZXT.
If you are blindly renting things without doing numbers you have bigger issues.
Always read and do long term calculations
Problem is that a lot of “influencers” advertise it to teens as an easy way to get a new computer.
I think that is more on the teens and there parents.
I saw a video on Gamers Nexus about how shitty a company they are. Hopefully word spreads amongst gamers & builders that they’re no good and they should be avoided.
What’s the deal with them? Only NZXT component i’ve had is my current case, which has awful airflow (old model of H710 I think, bought 5 ish years ago).
Apparently their PC rental program is a worse value than illegal loans that are likely mafia-backed.
Apparently they very recently got acquired or invested in and are probably looking to increase profits tenfold in under a year so the company can be dumped before it all crashes.
I always go by the rule of the larger the number/more letters the better. The exception being M that usually means it’s made for mobile devices.
i’ll trade you my geforce 9500 for your 4090.
Ok maybe also look at the year the card was released too.
Q. E. D.
quantum electrodynamics
The other exception being monitors, which are named by connecting three keyboards to one computer and then rolling a bowling ball across all three.
No one really knows how that method was established, but it’s industry standard now.
I recently had to go through this maze. I hate it. And I’m glad that my PCs tend to live ~10y, this means that I’m not doing it again in the foreseeable future.
I just go by PassMarks rating for CPU and GPU. It may not be the most nuanced rating, but it does give numbers that can be easily compared.
Fortunately there are resources that make a good starting point because I agree; naming schemes are a shit show. I generally start with this and go from there research wise. https://www.logicalincrements.com/
I’d be very careful relying on that site… just flipped through some of the build and it was very strange.
E.g. they were recommending a $500 or $900 CASE at the highest tiers - not even good cases, you can get something less than half the price with better performance. They recommended a single pcie 4.0 SSD and a SPINNING HARD DRIVE for a motherboard with pcie 5.0 m2 slots. Recommending CPU coolers that are far, far in excess of requirements (a 3x140mm radiator for a 100W chip? Nonsense). Memory recommendations for AMD builds are also sus - DDR5 6000 CL30 is what those cups do best with, they were recommending DDR5600 CL32 kits for no reason.
Just strange… makes me question the rest of their recommendations.
Mind you, recommending a PCIe 4.0 SSD is the one part that makes sense. Right now very few people will gain noticeable benefits from a PCIe 5.0 SSD, AFAIK. The rest though… yikes.
The price differential doesn’t really exist anymore, though. If they were recommending 4TB, then I’d agree (only a few 4TB 5.0 and they are quite pricey), but at 2TB you’re looking at like $10 difference between something like the MP700 and the SN850X they recommend (not counting all the black Friday sales going on).
Ah, good to know. Thanks.
…I just the other day ordered all the components to make the first “Extremist” tier build, nearly verbatim.
I guess I made some of the right choices, then.
Just buy AMD 😜
Honestly my preferred manufacturer since I started putting together my own machines.
You still need to understand their naming convention if you plan on comparing hardware.
The only thing you should realistic understand from the naming conventions is relative generations and which bracket of price/performance the part targets. Assuming more than that is just a mistake.
Is it not still “higher better” at AMD? With the obvious X or “m”, but usually price reflects the specs when the numbers are the same.
Just ordered another CPU from them. Downside is that there isn’t any modern AMD desktop platform that works with coreboot, which seems to be the only workable way to deactivate the Management Engine/Platform Security Processor after boot.
Was really considering to swap to Intel for that, but got a good deal on a Ryzen 9 that fits in my socket, so…
Is there anything from the last 10 years that runs coreboot?
They want you to fork over some cash for the most current binaries, though.
You can of course just build it from source.
The most current AMD Boards that are supported are FM2+. I actually have an FM2+ processor flying around somewhere, an Athlon II X4 860K, but that thing uses a lot of power for not very much performance.
Oh is this a different project to libreboot?
Yeah, it’s a different coreboot fork. They seem to be kinda focused on selling their implementation to corporate users, but if that finances open source development, I’m not gonna complain.
You are mixing coreboot up with libreboot
Also libreboot now ships some proprietary firmware so it is more compatible then it used to be.
Make sure to get your 5900x3d with your 7900XTX. Note that one is a CPU and the other is a GPU. For extra fun, their numbers should eventually overlap given their respective incrementation schemes. The 5900x3d is the successor to the 5900xd, which is a major step down in performance even though it has more cores.
I’m gonna give this award to Intel, which has increased the numbers on their CPU line by 1000 every generation since before the 2008 housing crash.
It’s so annoying when you buy a GPU instead of a CPU.
Or when you buy a GPU inside of your CPU.
…don’t worry, I’m sure Intel won’t change things up on us… right? (Just pretend the last year of Intel CPUs didn’t happen)
They already do overlap, 7000 series CPUs have been out for a while. As have the 5000 series GPUs.
AMD is one of the worst with naming
Explain yourself.
https://www.userbenchmark.com is what I use
Userbenchmark is a terrible site. Its a shame it shows up first in the search results.
They fudge their criteria to make intel look good and AMD bad. Do not use this.
userbenchmark is a biased site(anti AMD) soo much that it’s actually banned from /r/Intel. Absolutely do NOT use userbenchmark
userbenchmark is a biased site(anti AMD) soo much that it’s actually banned from /r/Intel.
“I love youuuuu so muchh😍”
“GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME!”
This is what keeps me from being a pc gamer.
i mean dumb naming schemes isn’t just a PC thing. Remember how the Xbox 360 is 359 faster than the Xbox One
USB 3.2 gen 1
Don’t but the Xbox One X, that’s old, you need the Xbox Series X ffs so obvious!
I actually have to build a new CPU… The last time I had built mine was in 2013 with an Asus i7which lasted quite a while until the whole Windows 11…non compatibility…
Now to look at socket type and see if my. Old casing can take it and yada yada …
I don’t want to go the laptop route since I still prefer desktop for gaming than laptops…
Holy shit How do you build a CPU
Lol what was weird with what I said?
sorry I’m being a douche
“cpu” sometimes refers to the processor chip which goes on the motherboard
Oh man… I’m so tired I didn’t even see my mistake 😂 your not a douche, your just calling out a blunder on my part lol thanks! I corrected it.
But yeah… I ma looking at the specials for motherboards and CPU and… Wow it’s going to br a pain to rebuild a computer… Since I usually like doing it myself
I had one built by a computer repair place when I was in college - they did great and it had a fun case with lights
These days I’m too far out of the loop to get good prices or anything so I bought a laptop from Acer, here is the link
They offered a payment plan, 3 payments over 3 months with 0% interest
a beach, a plasma torch, and a very steady hand
Thousand times this. For actual builders that care about the nuance it all probably makes sense but then there is me over here looking at pre-builts wondering why the fuck are two seemingly identical machines have a $500 difference between them.
I’m spending so much time pouring through spec sheets to find “oh the non-z version discombobulator means this cheaper one is gonna be trash in three years when I can afford to upgrade to a 6megadong tri-actor unit”.
I’m in this weird state of to cheap to buy a Mac and can’t be arsed to build my own.
Intel used to have decent naming…
