This is so funny I will forgive the spelling mistake. :)
If you look hard enough around Caleb Maupin/patsoc circles, you might find examples of that.
You joke but that’s why Stalin supported the KMT. (European Imperialism)
KMT
I don’t think those guys were around when Stalin was still alive. They do seem to be doing some interesting stuff though. Doesn’t look imperialist though.
I feel like a massive portion of people are missing the point of this post and jump to the conclusion that OP is some Zionist uncle Sam loving conservative that hates anything slightly left of centre.
That is EXACTLY the conclusion I jumped to!
That’s uncanny bro.
Nah, they didn’t miss the point at all, they’re just intentionally acting in bad faith.
Nah, your just missing the point that being able to say “America is somewhat bad” makes up for fully supporting all of the US’s foreign policy positions. There must be genocide in Xinjiang because the fascist evangelical German that wrote a book about how cool the apocalypse will be because you get to watch all the Jews burn in a lake of fire said that it is a genocide. It is only half of why you have to hate the ICC because they err the other way by saying that Israel is committing genocide. So they are silent on the Chinese genocide while being wrong about the Palestinian “genocide”.
What is even happening in this thread…
Is there a cliffs notes for this shit? Who did what to whom now? I am completely lost.
That’s why I vote Trump. Third time’s the charm!
Or maybe it’s okay to call out bullshit on your own side?
America has committed a LOT of atrocities. Trail of Tears. Pine Ridge. Slavery for god’s sake. Fuck, we invaded the wrong country after 9/11 and let Saudi get away with sponsoring it. Then we have the Monroe Doctrine and South America plus all the Middle Eastern governments that we overthrew. The nuking of Japan was the decision to save millions of soldiers at the expense of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Fewer lives, yes, but it’s rather difficult to justify the murder of the innocent. We’re propping up Israel and allowing them to commit atrocities against the Palestinians. At this point, the US and Israel are the only real parties in the way of a two-state solution. Hamas could easily be taken care of without the killing of Palestinians who just want to be safe and secure.
Die-hard tankies refuse to call out anything on their own side (or the enemy of their enemies) and that’s the problem OP is bringing up. If that doesn’t describe you, then great, I’m not talking about you. There’s no good-faith way to support modern day Russia and the invasion of Ukraine.
Or maybe it’s okay to call out bullshit on your own side?
Too bad that every time people say they do this against tankies, it turns out to just be regurgitation of propaganda of the genocidaires of Palestine, and tankies keep being proven to be correct.
Hamas could easily be taken care of without the killing of Palestinians who just want to be safe and secure.
“The resistance to nazi Germany could easily be taken care of without the killing of the Jewish and Slavic people, who just want to be safe and secure”.
Die-hard tankies refuse to call out anything on their own side
Except we do. This includes both the people you would meet online, as well as people who have actually been in positions of power (case in point - Castro’s handling of LGBT rights).
If that doesn’t describe you, then great, I’m not talking about you.
Does it describe anybody? Can you point to any such cases?
There’s no good-faith way to support modern day Russia and the invasion of Ukraine.
This is only true if you think that the rest of the world has no right to defend itself against the most prolific invader in the world (i.e. NATO) when the latter starts amassing troops on said state’s border after having been pushing for war for at least years.
Furthermore, Ukraine has been targeting civilians and nuclear power plants, as well as brazenly committing war crimes like the operation SpiderWeb where they use (probably unwitting) civilians to carry out military action.
Furthermore, the post-coup government of Ukraine is awful for reasons such as being filled with open nazis, worshipping the nazis that carried out the genocides in WW2, selling off Ukraine’s resources to NATO’s oligarchs, etc.The only sort of argument in favour of supporting Ukraine that people seem to give is that Russia put troops in Ukraine first, instead of waiting for NATO to do the inverse.
On that note, what do you think a state should do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on that state’s border, or otherwise in position to strike (like in the case of Iran)?
No, it is not the unwillingness to call out infractions. It is more the extreme disproportionality of liberals. The invasion of Ukraine is such a historical evil that any explanation of it (outlawing of Russian in school and government documents, being worried about NATO expansion, etc.) is excusing the Putin Regime that does evil only because they like evil and have no other motivation than maximizing evil. So any Russian that isn’t currently attempting to overthrow the government is an evil orc that deserves death.
But all of the wars of aggression and invasions the US made in the 21st century means that the US is slightly flawed and being too left or wanting to overthrow the government is too far. We need to hold our nose and vote for Democrats because they might make the invasions slightly more limited and be more polite while funding the Israeli genocide.
But that is actually the real issue that Liberals take issue with. Explaining that there are motivations beyond Putin being evil and that all of the US’s wars of aggression makes it the worst state in the current world, rather than a flawed and imperfect democracy that should still be the model for the world is what makes one a tankie.
The invasion of Ukraine is such a historical evil that any explanation of it (outlawing of Russian in school and government documents, being worried about NATO expansion, etc.) is excusing the Putin Regime that does evil only because they like evil and have no other motivation than maximizing evil. So any Russian that isn’t currently attempting to overthrow the government is an evil orc that deserves death.
At what point did I say anything resembling that? The war is an evil war and I cheer any Russian fighting against it but I don’t believe it’s “such a historical evil” nor do I believe that Russians deserve death just because they aren’t fighting against it. Shit, if I believed that, I’d have to believe the same about a lot of people in the US, too, wouldn’t I?
But all of the wars of aggression and invasions the US made in the 21st century means that the US is slightly flawed
Did you not read what I wrote above or…?
wanting to overthrow the government is too far.
Yes, it is, but probably not for the reasons you think. Revolutions rarely are successful, even if you win. They’re usually coalitions of common enemies who rarely agree on what they want. They’re often led by opportunistic figureheads who want to take advantage of the position. There will be tens of millions who die. I can’t imagine any political belief can be worth that many lives.
The Declaration of Independence has been considered one of the most influential doctrines of all time for a good reason. There’s a single sentence in it which I find rather relevant: “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”
Would you not agree that there have been moments in the US history where, if progress continued, we’d be at a position that was acceptable to you? If so, you have to also believe that we can still get back to that place.
On top of all that… How much of the US do you think agree with your views? How are you going to experience long-term success with little buy-in?
We need to hold our nose and vote for Democrats because they might make the invasions slightly more limited and be more polite while funding the Israeli genocide.
Nah, that really does suck, I agree with you. But don’t you think that replacing our FPTP method of electing politicians, reducing the power of the Executive branch, and adding much stronger guardrails, oversight, and penalties against corruption might be a more effective method to achieving your goals? Most people are in favor of these policies. Why do you claim you’re willing to take up arms when you can’t even knock on your neighbor’s door?
Explaining that there are motivations beyond Putin being evil and that all of the US’s wars of aggression makes it the worst state in the current world, rather than a flawed and imperfect democracy that should still be the model for the world is what makes one a tankie.
I understand why Putin wants Ukraine. They have large mineral deposits which can help accelerate economic growth while their rich farmland can provide quite a bit of food for the people of Russia. I also know that these reasons aren’t much different than those that America has fought for in wars during the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Again, you can agree that both things are fucked.
Explaining that there are motivations beyond Putin being evil
Again, you can agree that both things are fucked.
So threads like this is where polite discourse ends. It’s like “facts with proof: US announced to extend Nato to Ukraine in 2008 to remain hegemon, they regime changed and couped Ukraine in 2014, here you see nazis all over Ukraine” in an attempt to show that there are motivations beyond Putin being evil.
And you just say “yeah both sides man! both sides! But tankies man, they would support slave holders today!”
You offer the insults. You deny reality. You do the warmongering. We’re not even defending Putin, all we’re saying “they reacted like predicted and how they said they would. If we want peace, we need to act like this and accept their demand for Ukraine neutrality”
And that is NOT the same. You’re the imperial fascist warmonger denying reality. We (the people you call tankies) are the rational, educated and initially polite people suggesting a peaceful solution.
I am impressed by everyone’s endurance in this thread. This is good stuff. I don’t think anyone has even called anyone names yet. I am very happy about this outcome. Upvotes for everyone!
Yeah man shoot against tankies while your country is ruled by zionist pedophile warmongers.
Tankies just want to replace them with other pediphile warmongers
And here I thought the Soviets executed Beria 🤔
Imperlialism!
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too far fetched?
something something something ALAMO!
you mean liberals ?
In honor of labor day and all those who sacrificed for better working conditions I’ve been thinking of ways to make our voices heard. I think protesting at FAA air traffic facilities is a great option. If we keep controllers from accessing their jobs the air space shuts down. This would be a huge blow to Trump!
Let me explore how we organize these protests. The beauty is most of these employees are sick of going to work because they HATE TRUMP! They just need to see the public is on their side and we need to give them a reason to not show up for work! Air traffic controllers think their duty is to go to work and pretend everything is normal, if we protest right in front of them they will know the public wants them to act!
We will also not hurt the individual. The air traffic centers where there is a higher volume of controllers are paid very well. They also have great union benefits. Including leave pay called “weather leave”, which is usually time paid for absence from work due to adverse conditions. Well protests right outside their workplace is an adverse condition and the union will make sure the federal government pays the individual if they can’t make it to work!
So how do we organize this. I think we should target the air traffic centers “ARTCC”. These are large radar facilities where 100+ employees work every day. They have one gate access point. You can start off small, just on the sidewalk with signage expressing that serving Trump is shitting on the Constitution (this is a common debate between federal employees now) This can be as small as 1 person just out there on the sidewalk peacefully holding up a sign. Totally legal.
Now if we have enough numbers we can start “crossing the street” protests. Pedestrians legally are allowed to cross the street in front of the entrances to these centers and we can utilize slow walking speeds to delay entry to employees. Usually this should be done between 6-9am and 2-6pm as those are shift change hours.
Finally a lot of controllers may find other reasons to not show up to work. Emotional distress, lack of sleep, or fatigue are all Union protected reasons controllers could get PAID time off while we the people protest against the trump regime. Once the administration is deposed the worker individual can return to work normally with little impact to their financial situation!
So now the locations of the centers:
This is the issue, they are typically located outside city areas. So I don’t expect huge numbers of people showing up but like I said, 1 or 2 people protesting is still worth it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Centers?wprov=sfla1
So this is my protest idea. It’s one way to affect Trump adversely, a lot of federal employees are sick of this shit, THEY JUST NEED A REASON SO LET’S SHOW THEM WE WANT THEM TO FUCK TRUMP OVER
So you read all this and you’re still thinking “oh well nothing near me and I can’t do much” Well you probably do have a FAA airport near you with a control tower, you can protest there, or many other agencies that are run by the federal government. Finally you can copy this and spread it. You can edit it if you need to but just spread this idea.
Life in the USA cannot continue to go on as if this is all normal, something has to break! It’s Labor day weekend as I write this, let’s demonstrate labor still has the fucking power!
ITT: It’s better if USA balkanized
Gee, I wonder who are trying to advocate for this? Surely Russia and China who are attacking Ukraine and encroaching an entire body of ocean, respectively, aren’t the ones with an army of online trolls who are promoting this.
“Everyone I don’t agree with is a Russian bot” 🤡
You and this platform aren’t as important as you think.
*paid Russian shills and useful idiots want US to collapse to promote Russia and China own imperialism.
Happy?
You and this platform aren’t as important as you think.
Who cares about the platform? Unless you have superiority complex because you are speaking from well funded St Petersburg Research Institute, comrade?
Unfortunately USA works hard on the collapse on their own. 130% debt to GDP? WTF is this, Greek development strategy? On top of stupid trade wars and neglecting renewable energy sector…
Yes Americans are doing it on their own, but the usual suspects are accelerating it through hybrid warfare for obvious reasons. The Far East will become vulnerable to Chinese domination and Europe will become more vulnerable to Russian aggression (although I think even after the conflict in Ukraine, Russia will become second to China).
Europe will become more vulnerable to Russian aggression
Russian economy is fucked, they burned trade bridges left and right, sent their youth to die in meaningless war in Ukraine got trade sanctioned by most of civilized world, meanwhile China develops renewables and nuclear to reduce dependence on Russian oil exports. Russia is never going to recover.
China is growing to be the next leading global superpower whether we want it or not
“Oh no, China gonna kill all if American hegemony over” 😂
No but ask Philippines, India, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea what could happen to them should communist China dominates. Even ask Vietnam, a country who should in theory align with China.
Keep simping for your team, comrade simperialist.
…They said ‘communist China’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GCf1obSZ334&pp=ygUPYnVyeWluZyBkZW5naXNt.
Thats how you know they have a negative IQ!
You tell us what could happen to them.
Of course simperialists such as yourself will never ask their victims and the people they want to dominate.
Roflmao what the fuck are you saying, that I should just phone call their presidents? Are you okay?
No, broooo, trust me broooo, the nondemocracies that rival the world’s biggest democracy would never try to dishonestly influence voters, trust me brooooooooooo
the world’s biggest democracy
💀💀💀
India, right? 🤔
He calls if the ‘world’s biggest democracy’ but many Indians are not happy about what the Indian goverrnmet is doing.
Many Indians still live paycheque to paycheque and also India is still involvedd in Unequal Exchange with many of their trading partners meaning that most Indians dont eveng et most of the lahourbthey work for. And also there is Kashmiri people who DEFINITELY dont like the Indian government. And also Nagaland!
What is he talking aboiut?
The “world’s biggest democracy”? really? how can anyone with even a modicum of awareness still believe this in 2026 ?
“The world’s biggest democracy” 🤣. You have a two-party system, both of which advocate for the same foreign policy.
In the last century, could we do a comparison of the wars that “the world’s biggest democracy” engaged in, and look at how many of them were self-defense and how many of them were for imperialism? And comparing that to China and Russia might be a fun game as well.
Sure, the other two non-democracies you simp on is so much better and not engaging their own imperialist agenda and align with your own purported beliefs.
Find me one comment or post of mine where I “simped” for any country, I dare you.
I don’t engage with the “Chinese imperialist agenda” and shit because it’s so unserious, especially looking at what the U.S. has done EVERYWHERE. Have you fucking seen what life is like in Cuba, just because of U.S. sanctions and oil blockade? Do you know of the concentration camps that the U.S. used to torture completely innocent Arabs? Do you know just how much suffering America’s 9/11 craze caused?
And this is just contemporary, and I’m not listing everything.
Nobody is denying American imperialism. The question is, do you acknowledge Russian and Chinese imperialism?
“Do you condemn Hamas”-ass question.
No I don’t. I actually couldn’t care less. Do what I said in my original reply and you’ll find out why.
Gee, only Russian and Chinese bots could advocate for the Good Thing. Everyone that disagrees with me must be a Russian/Chinese bot.
only Russian and Chinese imperialists could advocate for the Good Thing
FTFY
They’re technically correct. The British never stopped calling the American Revolution a rebellion; the difference is completely subjective. That said, fuck the Confederates, those bitches lost, so the leftovers need to suck it up and move on.
The military bases doing the imperialism are named after those guys and what the Confederacy wanted to do if they won the war was take over Cuba and Venezuela and rename the Gulf of Mexico the American Sea. America is what happens when you aren’t a tankie and quit Reconstruction.
yellow Michael Parenti about critical support:
And those who demand instant perfection, the day after the revolution, they get up and say “Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they going to be allowed to have their newspapers, and their radio programme? Are they going to be able to keep all their farms?” The passion that some of our liberals feel the day after the revolution, the passion and concern they feel for the fascists—the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists who were dumping and destroying and murdering people before—now the revolution has got to be perfect! It’s got to be flawless! Well, that isn’t my criteria! My criteria is, what happens to those people who couldn’t read? What happens to those babies who couldn’t eat—that died of hunger? And there, that’s why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support! Not blindly, not unqualified. And the Reaganite government that tries to stop that kind of process, that tries to keep those people in poverty and illiteracy and hunger—that gets my undiluted animosity and opposition.
*imperlialism
Tankie anthem that will get you banned from reddit and .world for promoting political violence.
Hellfire!I legitimately forgot what a banger that song is! Something I haven’t heard in years, but somehow I know every line, hahahaha
Supporting reactionary uprisings is actually the liberal thing.
Case in point - all the clamouring for slaver rulers in Tibet.The Tibet thing is just CCP propaganda
Don’t know what “CCP” is, but it’s pretty silly how brazenly you ignore reality just because your masters told you that “Iraq has WMDs” again.
CCP is the chinese communist party. Who brought up Iraq?!?!
Iraq was clearly brought up by that commenter as a metaphor for the current haranguing in the west about China. Same shit, different enemy. The manufacture of consent continues with little resistance.
CCP is the chinese communist party.
Ah, so you misspelled “CPC” - “the Communist Party of China”.
Who brought up Iraq?!?!
I mean, you keep uncritically believing what the people who sold you on Nayirah’s testimony and Iraq’s WMDs say about their enemies.
Yep, that’s the quote from every liberal: “Yay slavery”
-The average dipshit redcap uncle, and/or Tomorrow_Farewell
I mean I don’t know what you’re trying to say here cuz yeah that’s objectively correct. Liberals valued the concept of private property so incredibly highly that slavery was extended and preserved in most of the world when it didn’t need to be. That is undeniably their legacy.
Considering how many liberals support things like returning slavery to Tibet, or enslaving Libya, or doing similar things to Syria, Palestine, Korea, Russia, Afghanistan, etc. they might as well be saying that.
Hell, you do support NATO attacking and subjugating the rest of the world, so why pretend as if I don’t have any examples?
Speaking of examples, you haven’t pointed out any socialists who supported the Confederacy at the time, nor any socialists who do now.
Tankies are closer to gryopers than any other group. Im suspicious that they are, infact, the same people.
Trying to create division on the left.
