Oh friend, you have this wrong, I agree 100%, sorry for not spelling it out! This meme is about the blind modern day teamist support for any “anti-west” regime, no matter how vile.
You know the same people that support pedophilia and genocide and manufacturing your news. They define what you see as “vile” and why we “vileness supporters” must be demonized and trolled. For purity of thought and spirit. For the liberal world order which preaches that we should accept different people, different cultures, different viewpoints. Except the vile ones of course, the impure ones. The many Hitlers of this world. As dictated by your masters who practice pedophilia and genocide.
It’s not going to get much clearer than that. Because the sickness in your heads just doesn’t make much sense. That’s what you allowed yourself to become.
What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this? Am I supposed to now be sympathetic to Russia because of the issues with corporate American media? You are making wild assumptions of where I get my information from and what my views are.
I have disdain for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine just as I have disdain for Israel’s treatment of Palestine and the United States’ enablement of this.
Maybe you didn’t realize this, but the very same people withholding the full release of the Epstein files and allowing so many to skirt accountability for their horrible crimes are not exactly friendly to Ukraine.
No amount of bloviating about how supposedly unfairly the media treats figures like Putin and Trump is going to get me to support their expansionistic endeavors and immoral wars.
These vile, expansionistic behaviors are not simply different people with different viewpoints. The purveyors of these actions and their supporters are owed no tolerance.
I have disdain for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine just as I have disdain for Israel’s treatment of Palestine and the United States’ enablement of this.
No you do not. You’re lying.
You clearly support coups and interventions in sovereign nations to overthrow their democratic government. Even Ukrainian courts have ruled that the Euromaidan massacre was perpetrated by far right (swoboda / nazi) elements. It’s all documented and historical facts.
And you cannot know the historical facts and then deny that you are on team pedophilia. Because you’re repeating all the talking points of the fascist pedophile team. From Bush in 2008 to Obama to Trump and Biden, the US strategy was long set for Ukraine and Georgia. You just choose not to listen to facts or do the work yourself of looking them up and instead repeat the hegemonic talking points.
That’s you! A goon who does not care when a nation is manipulated, democratic governments are toppled and people massacred! You say you don’t support imperialism but that is what you’re doing right here! By denying simple historical facts!
And you call us “vile” lol. And you know what is funny? We don’t even really support Russia! It’s more like a default opposition to you because of your lies and hate and aggression and bloodlust and warmongering. In your arrogance you want to expand your “liberal world order” all around the world. I oppose that, but I don’t support Putin.
If you have to assert that you know my position better than I do, you’re losing the argument.
It’s honestly really messed up of you to say that those who disagree with you are on “team pedophile.”
Me expressing that I have disdain both for what Israel and the US are doing with Palestine and what Russia is doing with Ukraine shouldn’t be controversial. It shouldn’t be getting you this worked up.
I will not be engaging with any of your inane, unsourced ramblings because you are not engaging in this conversation with respect and a genuine desire to understand. Your staggering arrogance prevents you from genuinely comprehending my position since you’re clearly more interested claiming that I’m somehow lying about my genuine views.
Nothing that you wrote accurately describes my viewpoints. It’s pathetic that you have to craft a fiction about my views in order to feel better about yourself.
It’s pretty clear that people are not being unfair to you in other interactions. You lead with being antagonistic and insulting and profoundly fail to genuinely engage with the conversation. Instead, you craft a fiction of what you wish my views are so you can tear that down instead. You demonstrate a profound lack of social skills and emotional intelligence.
Do better, and for your own sake, I sure hope you don’t go accusing people of being on “team pedophile” in person. It won’t go well for you.
Read the thread. Those are the rules established in this comment chain. “Team vileness” vs “Team pedophile”
You can only be one or the other. Which makes you team pedophile. Again, not my rules. I don’t like them either. But them’s the rules of this thread and the OP and how any pacifists or anti imperialists are treated by most of lemmy.world.
And you barged into this comment chain “just asking questions”. NOW you want to be treated with respect? After allying yourself with Team Pedophile and Team Genocide?
Sorry I’m just a very vile person lol. I’m “just clowning” lol. Obviously I do not really know what your political positions are, but if we have these kinds of threads on top of lemmy then it only matters what team you’re on to completely demonize you. Hey it’s just a meme bro don’t get too upset.
Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don’t want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button’s right there, because I’m gonna keep clowning on em :)
Better how?
NATO has been (self-admittedly) pushing for the war with Russia for years. Doing nothing would just mean that the most prolific invader in the world would have more of an ability to hurt Russia (and Palestine, by the way, considering that the war with Russia has been siphoning some of NATO’s resources).
Also, consider that your suggestion didn’t work for, for example, Iran. Iran did nothing, and yet, you empire still attacked it.
Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia’s membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.
Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.
And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.
They would be at peace,
Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?
and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia,
Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.
refusing Russia’s membership in NATO
Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.
and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO
By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.
Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes
That’s not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though.
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense.
Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn’t have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You’re being propagandized… Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism…)
“Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy”.
they possess too many nuclear weapons
Didn’t stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK.
Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far.
Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are.
You’re being propagandized
This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world.
It did try to negotiate peace, but the European powers that are the masters of Ukraine right now do not understand that language, it seems.
Where they are the unquestionable aggressor of…
So, you are saying that NATO pushing for war with Russia, carrying out a coup in Ukraine, breaking promises to not expand towards Russia, and generally being the most prolific invader in the world is not aggression? Haha.
So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on that state’s borders (or otherwise in position, like in the case of Iran), especially after a coup against a neighbouring state?
Lol peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.
I hate USA’s world policing as well and their imperalism, but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler…
You can try to turn it as much as you like, russia is the aggressor, they didn’t had to invade (the krim in the first palce btw.).
peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.
NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia, so peace can’t be achieved that way (unless you think that the rest of the world being subjugated by NATO is “peace”).
Meanwhile, the European powers could have agree to peace at many points, including in March, 2022, and including before 2022, and including by not doing the coup in 2013-2014.
I hate USA’s world policing as well
Firstly, you still believe whatever it says about its enemies. If you were alive back then, you would have believed Nayirah’s testimony.
Secondly, calling colonialism “world policing” is incredibly disingenuous and whitewashy.
but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler
Incredibly weird to claim this, considering that you support governments that worship personal friends of Hitler’s, shutzstaffel troops, and other participants in the Holocaust and the Lebensraum.
Also, it’s very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it.
russia is the aggressor they didn’t had to invade.
You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.
(the krim in the first palce btw.)
So, you think that the people of Crimea do not deserve self-determination? Do consider that even NATO studies agree that they wanted to split from Ukraine and join Russia.
Yeah by giving up territory of the ukraine, sorry but not sorry… I don’t don’t see this as a valid option for the Ukraine. They were invaded!
Actually I think even that Russia would need to pay for these war crimes, although I think the peace-deal would be far less.
This is just stupid imperialism at its finest, fucking russia destabilizing world peace. USA is bad here too, but russias way to initiate propaganda throughout the (not just) western world. It’s just sad…
That is just destructive by all means (erodes any real social progress, for example in europe, or well this stupid Trump). I think the development for example in Europe where all kinds of right-wing parties are emerging, supporting Russia for “whatever” reason and eroding any factuality/morality and social progress.
You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.
Just not fucking invade Ukraine, god damn it, Is it that difficult to understand?? They should just care more about their own people instead of trying to externalize all this internal damage due to Putin of their eroding economy they have.
Also, it’s very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it.
NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia
Lol care to give me some factual sources about NATO invading russias territory??
I don’t like NATO, especially the bootlicking of Mark Rutte regarding Trump. But Russia or rather Putin is just straight up an imperialistic dictator, disregarding their own economy and slowly eroding their economy and welfare, the development of Russia since Gorbatschow is so sad.
Would be nice if China would be more like the Blueprint for Russia, they are at least rather peaceful (yet), and thinking more about their people and general progress (e.g. by Not destroying the world with fossil fuels, i.e. switching hard to renewable energy).
You’re not clowning, you’re trolling and spreading lies and misinformation about people and disrupting discourse.
Huh maybe that is what it is. As a liberal in recent years the outlets for hate have become increasingly policed. You can’t make jokes about LGBTQ or disabled or women or even religious people any more. But you people still feel that hate, that strong desire to hate on people, but now it needs new outlets since the familiar ones are policed. So your “clowning” needs new targets, any target really. I think I’m onto something here.
It’s like you people need to shit badly, and are running down the street and looking for any excuse to find someone “vile” to shit on. You just can’t function differently. So to you the need to shit is just so much more important than arguing based on logic or truth or facts or being polite to people who think differently. It’s just that everything turns into shit in your head and your mouth is like an asshole with verbal diarrhea.
Thank you so much you helped me tremendously to understand people with your kind of problem.
What I find so sad about you tankies is how you just put everything in categories, like “those evil liberals” (sure the propaganda in the USA is also plain stupid, like communism used as some term of scaring someone etc.)
That the world is more complex, and authoritarian means are not the solution to establish healthy socialism long term… Russia or Puttler is purely destructive on basically all scales (now unquestionably joined by USA with their entirely idiotic leader)
Oh friend, you have this wrong, I agree 100%, sorry for not spelling it out! This meme is about the blind modern day teamist support for any “anti-west” regime, no matter how vile.
So why are you listening unquestioningly to team pedophile and team genocide?
What? Ukraine? What are you talking about?
You know the same people that support pedophilia and genocide and manufacturing your news. They define what you see as “vile” and why we “vileness supporters” must be demonized and trolled. For purity of thought and spirit. For the liberal world order which preaches that we should accept different people, different cultures, different viewpoints. Except the vile ones of course, the impure ones. The many Hitlers of this world. As dictated by your masters who practice pedophilia and genocide.
It’s not going to get much clearer than that. Because the sickness in your heads just doesn’t make much sense. That’s what you allowed yourself to become.
What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this? Am I supposed to now be sympathetic to Russia because of the issues with corporate American media? You are making wild assumptions of where I get my information from and what my views are.
I have disdain for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine just as I have disdain for Israel’s treatment of Palestine and the United States’ enablement of this.
Maybe you didn’t realize this, but the very same people withholding the full release of the Epstein files and allowing so many to skirt accountability for their horrible crimes are not exactly friendly to Ukraine.
No amount of bloviating about how supposedly unfairly the media treats figures like Putin and Trump is going to get me to support their expansionistic endeavors and immoral wars.
These vile, expansionistic behaviors are not simply different people with different viewpoints. The purveyors of these actions and their supporters are owed no tolerance.
No you do not. You’re lying.
You clearly support coups and interventions in sovereign nations to overthrow their democratic government. Even Ukrainian courts have ruled that the Euromaidan massacre was perpetrated by far right (swoboda / nazi) elements. It’s all documented and historical facts.
And you cannot know the historical facts and then deny that you are on team pedophilia. Because you’re repeating all the talking points of the fascist pedophile team. From Bush in 2008 to Obama to Trump and Biden, the US strategy was long set for Ukraine and Georgia. You just choose not to listen to facts or do the work yourself of looking them up and instead repeat the hegemonic talking points.
That’s you! A goon who does not care when a nation is manipulated, democratic governments are toppled and people massacred! You say you don’t support imperialism but that is what you’re doing right here! By denying simple historical facts!
And you call us “vile” lol. And you know what is funny? We don’t even really support Russia! It’s more like a default opposition to you because of your lies and hate and aggression and bloodlust and warmongering. In your arrogance you want to expand your “liberal world order” all around the world. I oppose that, but I don’t support Putin.
You however are team pedophile and team genocide.
If you have to assert that you know my position better than I do, you’re losing the argument.
It’s honestly really messed up of you to say that those who disagree with you are on “team pedophile.”
Me expressing that I have disdain both for what Israel and the US are doing with Palestine and what Russia is doing with Ukraine shouldn’t be controversial. It shouldn’t be getting you this worked up.
I will not be engaging with any of your inane, unsourced ramblings because you are not engaging in this conversation with respect and a genuine desire to understand. Your staggering arrogance prevents you from genuinely comprehending my position since you’re clearly more interested claiming that I’m somehow lying about my genuine views.
Nothing that you wrote accurately describes my viewpoints. It’s pathetic that you have to craft a fiction about my views in order to feel better about yourself.
It’s pretty clear that people are not being unfair to you in other interactions. You lead with being antagonistic and insulting and profoundly fail to genuinely engage with the conversation. Instead, you craft a fiction of what you wish my views are so you can tear that down instead. You demonstrate a profound lack of social skills and emotional intelligence.
Do better, and for your own sake, I sure hope you don’t go accusing people of being on “team pedophile” in person. It won’t go well for you.
Read the thread. Those are the rules established in this comment chain. “Team vileness” vs “Team pedophile”
You can only be one or the other. Which makes you team pedophile. Again, not my rules. I don’t like them either. But them’s the rules of this thread and the OP and how any pacifists or anti imperialists are treated by most of lemmy.world.
And you barged into this comment chain “just asking questions”. NOW you want to be treated with respect? After allying yourself with Team Pedophile and Team Genocide?
Sorry I’m just a very vile person lol. I’m “just clowning” lol. Obviously I do not really know what your political positions are, but if we have these kinds of threads on top of lemmy then it only matters what team you’re on to completely demonize you. Hey it’s just a meme bro don’t get too upset.
Thank you for distilling every single discussion with a tankie.
Feel free to post another long post that a) changes subject b) rehashes. russian propaganda c) calls people names.
You free thinking genious you.
Try getting your head out of your ass for once.
Don’t talk down to me. You made up a guy to get mad at. There is no human being on earth who holds the position you claim “Tankies” hold.
Delete this post.
We met different people then
Can you link to a post or comment from a communist who supports the confederates?
Do you think i save a link for every thing i see and interact with online?
What you’re talking about is pretty remarkable, sorry for asking for evidence.
So you’re a liar, Gotcha.
Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don’t want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button’s right there, because I’m gonna keep clowning on em :)
Why can’t you explain what you think Russia should have done in response to NATO’s actions?
Funny thing, if Russia had just done nothing, they would be better off in every conceivable metric.
Better how?
NATO has been (self-admittedly) pushing for the war with Russia for years. Doing nothing would just mean that the most prolific invader in the world would have more of an ability to hurt Russia (and Palestine, by the way, considering that the war with Russia has been siphoning some of NATO’s resources).
Also, consider that your suggestion didn’t work for, for example, Iran. Iran did nothing, and yet, you empire still attacked it.
No, they haven’t.
Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.
They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.
Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia’s membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.
And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.
Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.
Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.
By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.
That’s not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though.
NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense.
Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is… But what do I expect of tankies anyway…
Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn’t have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You’re being propagandized… Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism…)
“Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy”.
Didn’t stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK.
Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far.
Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are.
This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world.
Eh lol maybe just end this stupid war! Where they are the unquestionable aggressor of…
This war is so stupid on many levels… But Puttler cannot back down anymore without loosing his face, kinda sad situation…
It did try to negotiate peace, but the European powers that are the masters of Ukraine right now do not understand that language, it seems.
So, you are saying that NATO pushing for war with Russia, carrying out a coup in Ukraine, breaking promises to not expand towards Russia, and generally being the most prolific invader in the world is not aggression? Haha.
So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on that state’s borders (or otherwise in position, like in the case of Iran), especially after a coup against a neighbouring state?
Lol peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.
I hate USA’s world policing as well and their imperalism, but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler… You can try to turn it as much as you like, russia is the aggressor, they didn’t had to invade (the krim in the first palce btw.).
NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia, so peace can’t be achieved that way (unless you think that the rest of the world being subjugated by NATO is “peace”).
Meanwhile, the European powers could have agree to peace at many points, including in March, 2022, and including before 2022, and including by not doing the coup in 2013-2014.
Firstly, you still believe whatever it says about its enemies. If you were alive back then, you would have believed Nayirah’s testimony.
Secondly, calling colonialism “world policing” is incredibly disingenuous and whitewashy.
Incredibly weird to claim this, considering that you support governments that worship personal friends of Hitler’s, shutzstaffel troops, and other participants in the Holocaust and the Lebensraum.
Also, it’s very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it.
You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.
So, you think that the people of Crimea do not deserve self-determination? Do consider that even NATO studies agree that they wanted to split from Ukraine and join Russia.
Yeah by giving up territory of the ukraine, sorry but not sorry… I don’t don’t see this as a valid option for the Ukraine. They were invaded! Actually I think even that Russia would need to pay for these war crimes, although I think the peace-deal would be far less.
This is just stupid imperialism at its finest, fucking russia destabilizing world peace. USA is bad here too, but russias way to initiate propaganda throughout the (not just) western world. It’s just sad… That is just destructive by all means (erodes any real social progress, for example in europe, or well this stupid Trump). I think the development for example in Europe where all kinds of right-wing parties are emerging, supporting Russia for “whatever” reason and eroding any factuality/morality and social progress.
Just not fucking invade Ukraine, god damn it, Is it that difficult to understand?? They should just care more about their own people instead of trying to externalize all this internal damage due to Putin of their eroding economy they have.
Lol care to give me some factual sources about NATO invading russias territory??
I don’t like NATO, especially the bootlicking of Mark Rutte regarding Trump. But Russia or rather Putin is just straight up an imperialistic dictator, disregarding their own economy and slowly eroding their economy and welfare, the development of Russia since Gorbatschow is so sad.
Would be nice if China would be more like the Blueprint for Russia, they are at least rather peaceful (yet), and thinking more about their people and general progress (e.g. by Not destroying the world with fossil fuels, i.e. switching hard to renewable energy).
You’re not clowning, you’re trolling and spreading lies and misinformation about people and disrupting discourse.
Huh maybe that is what it is. As a liberal in recent years the outlets for hate have become increasingly policed. You can’t make jokes about LGBTQ or disabled or women or even religious people any more. But you people still feel that hate, that strong desire to hate on people, but now it needs new outlets since the familiar ones are policed. So your “clowning” needs new targets, any target really. I think I’m onto something here.
It’s like you people need to shit badly, and are running down the street and looking for any excuse to find someone “vile” to shit on. You just can’t function differently. So to you the need to shit is just so much more important than arguing based on logic or truth or facts or being polite to people who think differently. It’s just that everything turns into shit in your head and your mouth is like an asshole with verbal diarrhea.
Thank you so much you helped me tremendously to understand people with your kind of problem.
Right. A false appeal to my mental health. That’s not ableist at all.
What I find so sad about you tankies is how you just put everything in categories, like “those evil liberals” (sure the propaganda in the USA is also plain stupid, like communism used as some term of scaring someone etc.)
That the world is more complex, and authoritarian means are not the solution to establish healthy socialism long term… Russia or Puttler is purely destructive on basically all scales (now unquestionably joined by USA with their entirely idiotic leader)
OP: “Tankies be like supporting slave holders”
Is there like a single introspective thought rattling in your brain? Or still constipated?