Grey text is looking out for their safety, good for them. Blue text is clearly communicating their boundaries, good for them. Neither is phrasing their needs as I would, but that’s small potatoes. I’d rather date either of these people than most of the ones replying in this thread.
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I’ve never discussed who will pay before a date in my life
Either this person in incredibly tactless or this is some kind of incel meme shitpost.
Either way, whomever is passing it around seems to have a bone to pick.
It wouldn’t even cross my mind as something a woman would assume a date was expected to do.
Idk, really depends on the dynamic between them all. If they’re broke college kids and he’s an older person with a stable job and surplus cash? If he’s picking the restaurant to impress her, knowing she can’t afford it? If he already offered up thread in order to entice her out?
But that makes the “date” feel more like a Sugar Baby relationship than a proper date. Also might explain why she feels the need to bring a friend.
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There’s a non insignificant amount of women dating only for free meals, and a lot of them expect men to pay for any number of friends. A lot of guys have opted for lower cost or zero cost first dates, like walks to screen for this.
Anyone afraid to go to an agreed meeting in a public place NEEDING a friend along is beyond weird
The friend isn’t there for when the date is in the public space. The friend is there for after to ensure the girl gets home safe.
Wtf. No. They are just scared.
I think the implied weirdness is that, if you’re scared, why even agree to the date in the first place?
I do not know if you noticed, but people want to date. She probably want to go AND be safe.
Well yeah, but bringing an extra for a dinner date is weird. I’ve brought extra people along to meet the person I’ll be eating with and confirm my location. Having an extra person suddenly in the date dynamic kills the dynamic.
Then just say no and don’t go in a date with her. If her safety is such a big inconvenience for you, it’s not a good match.
It’s ONE date. They are just trying to make sure you are not a rapist. I’d say they are likely to leave as soon as things look like they are going smoothly. Next date she shouldn’t be there. If she is invited again then don’t go. If on a second date she is still not sure if you are dangerous but wants to go out anyway, something might be wrong
Okay, let’s take a step back. I never said it’s an inconvenience, i just said it’s weird. Please don’t assume things about me just because we disagree about something.
I even mentioned alternatives I’ve personally used to ensure my safety AND not change the date dynamic. Everyone should ensure their own safety, and if that’s what it takes for some people then fine but lets not tack on assumptions to force a narrative.
It’s weird to have someone sit in on a dinner date to me. Full stop. Am i gonna trip about it? Probably not. You do you boo.
This is very common in Asia. The first few (not) dates they bring friends and you can too. Eventually, she gives an indication that she wants to do something alone with you and that’s when the real dates begin.
Guy friends in asian also hold hands and hang on each others arms. Not really something you see in the west
This is the way.
Arranged marriage is also common in Asia
What an unprovoked comment.
Wherever you live, there are also many cultural issues that are equally unrelated to what I said.
This reeks of casual bigotry you should perhaps analyze the thought patterns that lead you to writing this.
If you wanna be my lover…
You make a good point, but considering that the conversation is in English I don’t think you’d be too far out of the pale to assume that this is not in Asia, and in most English-speaking countries it’s not common to go on group dates before going on individual dates.
It does happen, and quite a bit, but not to the point where it’s common, I would say it’s at the very most uncommon.
I mean we have those too, they’re called double dates. Would have been less awkward if the lady here asked for one of those.
Double dates aware there is two couples. This sounds more like she wants to bring her friend on to make her feel more comfortable on a first date.
Hopefully that lady has enough self respect to tell that boy to go fuck himself.
They were trying to get free meals out of the guy. Fuck them, actually. Bums.
The dude is the only one who mentioned money.
When he said he wasn’t paying she didn’t ask him to or imply that she was disappointed.
This seems like the dude dropped the ball.
I dont mind that, so long as the food is cheap.
My personal limit for that is ~20$, anything less than that and within reason, I wont question buying anyone food. Calories are important and im not going to judge people that quickly, have a pizza.
I prefer to have that meal repaid in the future with an IOU or another meal rather dealing with money, also the social connections are more important.
On the flip side, if I never see that person again. 20$ well spent.
Where do you see that from the picture? If he wants to make sure he is not paying for the third wheel, there are ways to say that without sounding like a total dick. She, on the other hand, doesn’t mention money or food at all. We simply do not know the whole story here.
Gendernormative assumption of gender?
SatansMaggotyCumFart i have seen you before and i do expect better from you.
Satansmaggotycumfart is correct…hopefully she sees that response as the red flag that it is.
Not paying for a freeloader is a red flag now?
Saying so once would have been fine. If he’s OK with the Safety Friend and she wanted to pay her own way then there’s no conflict.
But saying so twice? That’s some insecurity right there, and it would have me reconsidering even if I was desperate both for a free meal and to get laid.
I don’t think “safety friends” are typical in lesbian circles, because of the implication
i was literally just thinking of this. Well played
They did nothing though?
They told the lady who they were with that last message now it’s up to her to listen.
Who gives out money on a first date? Go have walk somewhere.
It looks like I’m going on a double date.
Last time a chick brought a friend with her, I got on better with the friend… And I went home with the friend. Pro tip, if youre bringing a friend. Dont make it a friend thats better to talk to than you are.
I say get it while you can, you don’t turn your back on love, no no no. -Janis Joplin
Or do.
I had a girl bring a guy friend along on our first date without giving me a heads up for the same reason. I was like, ok that’s a little weird but whatever. I’m certainly not going to give someone shit for doing something that makes them feel comfortable. Ended up chatting it up with the guy friend who turned out to be super cool.
So me and the girl end up seriously dating after a while and she later tells me that she spent most of our first date trying to subtly get her friend to leave so that she could spend more time with me.
Lol there’s got to be a term that’s the inverse of cockblocking. Maybe like cockenabling for something.
Wingman is the term you’re looking for.
But in my date’s opinion, he was clam jamming her!
But clam jamming is what you wanted to do, so he was helping,lol.
Ok thats nice
Uh oh, are we doing an /r/SipsTea here now?
Oh God I hope not.
Can we just make a community called IHateWomen and have them migrate there?
Is it still normalized that the man should pay the date?
What year is it? 1825?
A lot of women consider it a deal breaker to this day
My current fiance said she almost didn’t want to go on a second date with me because I wanted to go Dutch on our first date. She still tells me to this day that I’m lucky I was cute.
what does go dutch mean
Date pays for their stuff, you pay for your own. Basically, separate tabs.
To be clear, I would have paid if she had asked me to at the time. When the bill came for the food, I asked if she wanted separate or together, but my phrasing made it sound like I wanted to split it and she said that was fine. Whoops.
Don’t worry, she’s making up for lost time. I pay for almost everything when we go out now 😅
Humans are weird. I’m glad we penguins aren’t as complicated.
Butt stuff
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Sorry, was funny to me at the time! It’s splitting the bill
If I remember correctly (it’s been over 16 years), my wife suggested separate checks the first time, and I told her I’d pay this time and she could get the next one if she wanted to go out again.
I think I still ended up paying for the next one (or separate checks), but that wasn’t a cultural norm thing, I just get uncomfortable with other people paying for me.
I call those women… never. Had a girl turn up with a friend, everyone paid for their own drinks. And this was in the early 00s.
If i invite someone out to dinner I pay. If someone invites me out to dinner I expect them to pay. However, I think in general in the US most men and women expect the man to pay.
If i invite someone out to dinner I pay. If someone invites me out to dinner I expect them to pay.
expect the man to pay
…they’re the same picture. Seriously, given the general dynamics of how straight dating actually ends up working most of the time IRL, these are basically equivalent statements, because the man is also generally expected to be the one to do the asking.
This is an outdated expectation, although it could also be considered respectful on a date.
I’ve heard that in restaurants in the USA you often give your credit card and they scan it and return it because they don’t have portable terminals. I’ve also heard that it’s often returned to the man regardless of name on card / who gave it. Both of these seem very outdated.
Smart servers just put the check and the card between the people if it’s not obvious who’s paying. I’m a great test case for this because my spouse and I both happen to have first names that could belong to a man or a woman.
It’s pretty much random which one of us pays because we pool our money anyway.Often they drop the bill in the little book and we stick the card in the end of it and put it back on the end of the table, they come by, run the card and then come back….
you can see the fear in their eyes sometimes, like “oh shit. This could be either one of them… 50/50 chance I annoy the one who’s writing the tip”.
We’ve both worked service industry so we don’t care at all and tip well either way but it’s pretty funny to see the realization sometimes.
Oh and, if it’s two people on a date (not a boring old married couple like us eating dinner) and there’s only one bill… 9/10 it’s the guy paying.
If it were the girl shouldn’t have any choice.
Now they have things called rights and stuff
Has a date where some chick brought her friend ever resulted in a good date?
Sounds like setting yourself up to create conflict in a relationship that doesn’t even exist yet.
There’s no other way to read this besides “I think you are a horrible person so I need protection on our public date, why am I going on a date with a horrible person? I wanted dinner”
That’s how it reads every single time, and men are expected to be cool with it, or they are proven to be horrible like previously assumed.
Yes. As a dude I recognize that a woman going on a date with a random person is and feels dangerous to most women. I am more than happy to go on a group date or hang out with friends she feels comfortable with for first bit of getting to know a person for like a month to first couple dates. Then once we are looking to know each other closer we can have more private dates. That being said I shouldn’t be expected to pay for anyone’s experience but my own in these dates or hangouts. Maybe my dates but even still definitely not the friends.
I recognize that a minority of men are assholes.
There’s no mature reason for a friend to come on the date in a public place.
The reasons stated are that men are violent animals and need to be vetted and I need physical protection from them even in public.
That’s not valid
It’s a set of ideals rooted in misandry, and it doesn’t help women or men.
Sounds like setting yourself up to create conflict in a relationship that doesn’t even exist yet.
WTF are you on about, mate?
There’s no other way to read this besides “I think you are a horrible person so I need protection on our public date, why am I going on a date with a horrible person? I wanted dinner”
There absolutely is another way to read it and it’s: “there are lots of horrible people and I wanted to make sure you’re not one of them”.
I guess you reacting to this post in that way puts you bang in the middle of one of those two categories…
I don’t know about you, but when someone even implies I might be a terrible person I get extremely offended
Yeah, I don’t, because I have enough empathy and intelligence to realise that people who don’t know me… well, don’t know me - and there absolutely are dangerous people out there.
In short: pull your head out of your arse, it’s not about you.
Sure, the danger is real and that people need to protect themselves
It’s also incredibly offensive to do it directly.
The polite thing to do is make being safe a matter of course. It’s very normal to meet in public, it’s normal to do checkup texts, it’s fine to do a group activity if it’s a group activity. We’ve spent decades normalizing subtle ways to do this
There’s a degree of social hygiene necessary, or society falls apart.
It’s also incredibly offensive to do it directly.
Only if you’re incredibly insecure about yourself.
The polite thing to do (…)
Overall - I agree, to certain degree. In my opinion, however, society is already “falling apart” due to how social media trains younger people for immediate gratification, everything is fast. Dating is also fast, and people don’t want to “waste time” on “incompatible people”.
Dating these days is “let’s have a date and see what happens”, not “let’s get to know each other and see if we want to date”.
Also, lots of people are pretty lonely, so “group activity” is not possible for them.
What are you on about?
I just don’t think it’s healthy to assume every man is a psycho and then make them prove otherwise, especially if you want to try dating them.
Luckily, I’m a married lesbian so i don’t have to deal with this stupid shit.
I just don’t think it’s healthy to assume every man is a psycho and then make them prove otherwise, especially if you want to try dating them
It’s a bit difficult to determine just from online interactions, don’t you think?
“Dating” doesn’t mean what it used to mean. These days “dating” means “I swiped right, we talked for an hour or two and now we’re meeting for the first time”.
As long as the other person is upfront about it, I wouldn’t be weirded out if they brought a friend to feel better, honestly, no fucking clue who would have an issue with that. Because it’s not about “all men”, it’s about “I’m meeting a stranger”.
If you’re the person who sees that situation as an attack, you’re better off leaving the other party alone.
Nah it’s better if people who want to date act like adults.
There are some men who don’t mind being profiled, but being treated like a predator by default in a safe setting is insulting.
I mean, that’s sure one way. I have never used a dating app, been on plenty of dates, and am in my 20’s.
I remember when a date auction at my college worked this way, the girls always came in pairs. When I thought about it afterwards, it made sense, but it still made me feel just apprehensive enough in the moment - being outnumbered in a moment of social vulnerability - that I didn’t bid on anyone.
The idea of paying for a date is weird to me but in that scenario I guess the bright side is twice as many girls to potentially hit it off with at once.
If it matters, the money in that case was going to a charitable cause, not the people you’d date.
Yeah, I get it, it’s still kind of weird to me. If I have to pay for a woman’s attention who wouldn’t be interested otherwise I’d just assume not bother her with it.
Just reminds me of this…which is genders reversed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8YawKzARhHw&t=2m26s
It wouldn’t bother me if somebody wanted to bring a friend on a date. However, I would communicate that it would change the dynamic into a “hangout” over a traditional “date” for me. The difference being that a date carries romantic intent and a hangout is for the sake of connecting with others without romantic expectations. Also, a hangout means everybody pays for themselves.
This takes the pressure off by lowering the stakes since it’s now just a casual hangout between peers. It also has the benefit of making the third not feel excluded as a third wheel but a welcome part of the group.
Ass
She would lucky if I even showed up. NGL if there is that much distrust from the get, I’m not into it.
Mine was not a comment about the contents of the discussion, merely about the censorship of the word ASS
Fair enough
I’m still fucked off that this is where we’re headed as a society - computers deciding what obscenities we can handle
So fucking true like why the fuck do all of these damn corposhit platforms fucking hate random ass words just because advertisers are scared as fuck of having their crap advertised next to them?? I’ve actually fucking seen these cunts censor “stole” and “bullet”, what is this damn bullshit?? Shut your fucking asses up stupid corpobitches and stop fucking whining about random fucking words!! Random shitty ads that people block anyway are your fucking reason for annoying the hell out of people who happen to use these words? I will fucking kill these fucks with a fucking gun - they even censor “kill” and “gun” because advertisers are SO FUCKING FRAGILE that they cannot take any fucking mention of death or violence. The shitty enshittified shit platforms owned by billionaire shitheads are ASS and the fediverse’s war against them needs to be fucking accelerated or we won’t be allowed to say “glass” anymore because shards of glass can fucking hurt you and the jackasses will think that this means that the damn word will need censoring into oblivion. Or maybe the fragile fuckers will lobby to make using these fucking words illegal like the damn UAE has it. Fuck you corpobitches 🖕🖕🖕
meme with stole censored
Hey, you can’t say “hell”, that’s a bad word >:c
