• Ledericas@lemm.ee
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    13 hours ago

    not surprised a right wing evangelical pastors, that did this, he had a hit list targeting other democrats, and abortion providers.

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      10 hours ago

      You got a source?

      I can’t find anything online about the killer being caught or even being identified. It may even be a real cop.

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    16 hours ago

    Hold on, someone killed legislators? Is this a hypothetical or did this just happen?

    What news have I been missing out on? Actually maybe I’d rather not know, too much depression right now.

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    17 hours ago

    Was he really a deranged maniac, though, or was that just part of him pretending to be a cop…?

  • 😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    MAGA Nut Kills political opponents.

    End story.

    Civil War is in the beginning stages between L.A. and this.

    Sure, it started on inauguration day… but, now it’s truly ramping up.

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      13 hours ago

      Civil war my ass. The actual civil war had a clear geographic and economic divide between a manufacturing, wage-labor north and an agrarian, slave-owning south.

      The fuck kind of divide is this supposed to be over today? Left/right culture war? Most people are still completely checked out. Yankees are very very comfortable (precarious comfort, but still comfortable) and lead 99.99% identical lives to one another. There is not going to be a civil war.

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        Calling it Left vs Right culture is kinda over simplifying it but kinda. The problem is that a lot of regions have shifted in their beliefs and even further separated since the civil war, just cause I and a Utah Mormon live vaguely similar day to day lives doesn’t mean we are culturally compatible.

        This is closer to the Yugoslav troubles before its initial break down in the 90s, a bunch of cultures who while broadly similar on a surface level have friction with one another regardless due to deeper issues. It just happens to be manifesting on a political level since most Americans will happily suppress their own regional identity in favor of the American imperial Identity.

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    21 hours ago

    I think it bears mentioning that the “deranged maniac” title isn’t the whole story. I don’t know about this guy in particular, but a lot of these guys are all part of far-right online cliques that share propaganda amongst each other while valorizing the guys who do this shit.

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          14 hours ago

          I’m not celebrating it, but I am lamenting a system that makes it seem inevitable:

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          17 hours ago

          Just to highlight some solidarity: Right groups celebrate that too. I don’t think any political spectrum takes the side of health insurance companies.

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            17 hours ago

            Plus, it is pretty bipartisan, everyone hates health insurance companies, more popular leftward, but the amount on the right that supported, or at least did not condemn, him was pretty striking

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    21 hours ago

    I 2nd this. If you stop me or my wife the first thing I need to see if a badge, id, and warrant. Not one or the other. 2out of three at least.

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      20 hours ago

      This is exactly where the 2nd amendment and the Blue Lives Matter movements collide. If both civilians and police have the legal right to arm and defend themselves with lethal force, and neither has a responsibility to show restraint or demonstrate cause, then you have created a situation where an innocent civilian and a good cop could kill each other in self defense and neither would have done anything wrong.

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        A good cop won’t create a situation where an innocent civilian will feel the need to use lethal force.

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          A cop doesn’t need to be a bad cop to create a situation where the civilian has a reasonable fear for their life. I’m a believer that ACAB, but even if I’m wrong, it’s still an untenable situation.

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          I’m not disagreeing with you. My point was that neither person needs to be a criminal to create a situation where both have a legal justification for deadly force in self defense. Like how fucked up is that?

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        Do people actually believe this stuff? There have been many tv shows for decades where they literally follow police around with a camera. And anyone who tries this “give me your badge number, you need a warrant, you don’t have probable cause” gets arrested. They don’t even make a secret about it.

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          I think the problem arises when you project a view of treating people equally onto someone who does not have such a view.

          “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

          The Gadsden flag expresses support for the freedom of the in-group and the Back the Blue flag expresses support for the oppression of the out-group.

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          20 hours ago

          It makes sense if you remember that conservativism doesn’t actually exist, and all people claiming to be conservatives are just narcissists who pick and choose what they care about in any given situation.

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            Eh. Conservatism does exist but, it’s never been what it’s claimed to be. It’s all about establishing and enforcing hierarchical power structures in society by any means necessary. Almost universally, the adherents desire to have power over others, so, even if they’re not at the top, they get to be cruel towards their “lessers” and that makes them feel better about themselves. Through the lens of their philosophy, things like hypocrisy are privileges of those higher in the hierarchy with which to taunt their “lessers”.

            Additionally, they do not believe in objective reality but, subjective reality that bends to their will (when it doesn’t, they deny the delta and pretend that it does). This applies to morality as well; moral correctness is relative to one’s place in the hierarchy, not their actions (ie supporting a convicted felon, rapist and pedophile is ok because he’s rich and supports hierarchy).

            The reason, I think, that the belief system has been able to stick around so long (beyond the propaganda) is that its followers do gain some mental health benefits. They are able to reduce their cognitive load through deference to their rulers and reduce potential for anxiety and depression by avoiding self-reflection and embracing the Just World Fallacy.

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            Conservatism does sort of exist, but it’s all about conserving the social, economic, and power structures of the present. Honestly most so-called conservatives are actually reactionaries - they want to bring back the social, economic, and power structures of the recent past, i.e. reverse the past couple of decades of development. Mostly, of course, because they believe they were better off back then.

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              Bull crap. There is not now, nor has there ever been an inherently conservative value. Conservatives define their values based on their identity, and decide to conserve the social, economic, and power structures that benefit themselves. Any social, economic, and power structures that are not beneficial are evil and must be destroyed. Any position a conservative needs to take, any idea the conservative needs to spread, any argument a conservative needs to make, any action a conservative needs to take, all are justified because it is in the conservative’s best interests. It’s how they can say one thing today, and then attack the same idea tomorrow. To a rational person, this looks like hypocrisy, but a conservative is no more capable of hypocrisy than a scorpion. “How can they support this, but believe that?” “How can they say they believe X and vote for Y?” Conservatives are not tethered to any ideological foundations, so they can say or do whatever they think will help them most in the moment.