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    Instead of focusing on what is actually happening with National Guard and Marines being deployed, we see the pattern of pointless arguing in circles about why the candidate lost in the comments below. Analysis Paralysis is the exact intention for articles like this. This helps the current criminal administration continue their behavior.

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    America is an imperialist empire and fascists are the useful idiots of empire and the do nothing Democrats are just obstructionists that get in the way of the will of the people. But America, because it’s so distracted with its netflix and chill mentality, we are always starting from scratch as we live in a vacuum. History, if you know it well from many perspectives, is literally repeating itself. And what is scary is this is the same plan that was tried before. Only this time they’re succeeding. So you libturds can try to make me the bad guy but I’ll never vote for a fucking Democrat. All is going according to plan. Yankee gets what Yankee deserves, as the imperial boomerang smacks you dumb asses right in the fucking face. Collective suffering is ritious and deserved. NO WAR BUT THE CLASS WAR

    https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA

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    This reminds me of another woman presidential candidate who was also right about Trump. I’m starting to see a pattern.

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    “Lied” means intentionally deceived. I don’t know anything about this outlet, but what reason do we have to believe they lied?

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      Americans didn’t vote for Hillary or Harris because apparently they wanted a whiny bitch to be president instead.

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      I have NO idea why the democrats chose Harris as the nominee. The country wouldn’t vote for a white woman last time. You REALLY think they’re going to vote for a woman of colour? REALLY? And then a bunch of them didn’t. As predicted.

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        I have NO idea why the democrats chose Harris as the nominee.

        Well, that’s the thing: they didn’t. She didn’t win the primary, Biden did; and Biden won because there was no opposition. My ballot had two choices: “Joe Biden” and “Uncommitted”. I voted Uncommitted.

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        Biden made hay about selecting a Black Woman as vise President. That is declaring her heir apparent.

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        Harris would have won if the Dem leadership let her run the campaign she wanted to. Instead they enforced civility politics and forced her to be the same as Biden.

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        There were a lot of issues with it being anyone else. Since she was already the VP and already “on the ticket”, switching to anyone other than her would have brought with it a whole lot of complications and probably would have tied up all the money the Biden campaign had raised. The whole process of deciding on anyone other than her posed huge risks, especially given the time constraints. Harris was effectively the default option so they took the path that appeared to be easiest and guaranteed that the campaign kept its funding.

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        Maybe the gender or color didn’t really matter to people who had a chance of voting Democrat anyway

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      Lets not pretend the presidential election is all about gender and nothing else. Thats just petulant.

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        hmmmmm… stats say otherwise. A lot of males did not vote for her because she was female. That said, US is clearly not ready for female president.

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        All? No, not all. But it is very evident that most Americans seem to hate women. The right hates on women, the left hates on women, the men and the women hate on women. If you doubt me, look how news articles disparage male senators compared to female ones.

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        I posted a post-deep-dive take on what gave Trump the presidency here, but I will say that misogyny did did no small amount of heavy lifting.

        What we need to figure out before the GOP finds its next cult leader is how to neutralize the massive far-right propaganda machine that is churning out false information and disinforming the public.

        We’ve decided before that ethically we can’t trust human beings to make sound decisions in some conditions. In the case of gambling, we’ve just invented loopholes (and lootboxes) to circumvent regulation. So I don’t know how we’re going to deprogram massive viewerships of media that promotes hate, including misogyny.

        If we fail then the ice zombie army climate crisis (and running out of water for agriculture) is going to drive us to extinction.

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        I could understand Hilary not getting elected, but Harris? She’s as blank slate as any presidential candidate could get ( and maybe that was the problem). But the demographics which shifted the most politically, was the Hispanic and black male (whom tend to be less educated) voters towards the right. That could either be populism or misogyny, and considering they were leaning left when elected Biden the previous term, I’m leaning towards the latter reason.

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          Knowing my paisanos, it was plain old ignorance. I mean, we did elect a woman president this year. 😅

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          If the Dems wanted to stop losing they could have selected Sanders. It’s not about gender, it’s about trust, and nobody trusted Clinton or Harris (nor should they, frankly). Meanwhile Sanders has spoken for the working class the whole time he has been around.

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          She’s a former cop and prosecutor that wasn’t selected through a primary process (not that Dems ever allow anyone not selected by party elites.)

          She’s basically a Republican with zero progressive policies, which isn’t going to appeal to an increasingly radicalized base.

          There were a lot of problems with her that had nothing to do with her being a her.

          Democrats keep chasing votes to the right, abandoning the actual left and the working class.

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          She was also a candidate we didn’t vote for, Biden being shoved down our throats again then him dropping out are what gave Trump the election. The focus on her gender and nothing else is to keep you from remembering that the DNC fucked us again and a large number of voters protest voting because “She’ll genocide the Palestinians” like TRUMP wouldn’t.

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            “The DNC” does not have the power to force Biden to step aside when he doesn’t want to.

            They aren’t a military or a government. They are a club, and Biden was far and away the senior member.

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              The fact that when it comes to politics I see Americans nowadays keep repeating over and over and over again “this can’t be done”, “they don’t have the power”, “that will never happen”, is to me astonishing. When I was growing up, America was where things HAPPENED. What happened to you guys? Where did this learned helplessness come from?

              So your party structures are broken and unable to produce good outcomes? Change them. Reform them. Update them. What the fuck is wrong with you people? You made democracy into a fossil that you no longer fit in and you’re despairing. It’s supposed to be a living breathing thing that evolves all the time. WTF.

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                40% of the country wants it to be worse in every way imaginable. They want more religion in the halls of power, more impressive law enforcement and mass incarceration, more dictatorial centralization of power, less education more environmental destruction more wealth concentration in fewer elites hands, less protections for workers, and their families, more poverty sickness and death.

                They aren’t the same people either, sixty-70% want one or some of the things on that list.

                If we declared a constitutional convention, I don’t think there would be any agreement whatsoever about what changes to make, and if there were, agreement, I expect they would be disasterous.

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          Remember how Dukakis got tanked by a goofy helmet? Yea, Harris sank when she couldn’t propose any change from Biden.

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        Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then? (Except them “lying” that Trump would use the army against US civilians, of course)

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          Clinton is a fuckin capitalist and Harris is a fucking neoliberal. Neither of them actually care about anything more than upholding the status quo. They are not working class or even for the working class.

          This all being said, status quo is far better than fascism, but we can do better.

          Basically, just like someone being a woman wouldn’t make them a bad president, it would also not make them a good one. Having good policies makes you a good president.

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          Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then?

          If it was misogyny alone was the cause, then why did harris lose across every single demographic of women? She lost across every single voting demographic except a 1 point gain in college educated white men.

          We have polling data, you could read it. Dems are failing to analyze why we lost, just like they failed to figure out how we could win. So we’re on track to lose again, and comments like the one you made are why.

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            Uh… If the misogyny was enough to remove enough votes from them to allow the worse candidate to win, then obviously it was a decisive factor. Being a decisive factor does not equal being the only factor.

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              If the misogyny was enough to remove enough votes from them to allow the worse candidate to win, then obviously it was a decisive factor.

              Sure, but how do we put actual numbers behind that “if”?

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              No, it wasn’t the decisive factor. The misogynists wouldn’t have voted for Harris either way. The decisive factor was Harris failing to inspire her own base while pandering to the elusive “undecided voter” by propping up Liz Cheney, among other things. Don’t get it twisted, Harris lost because she and her team were too incompetent to read the room.

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    I’m not sure the intention of this sort of note.

    Yes, Harris may’ve made those predictions. People heard em. They still preferred Trump, compared to Harris. It’s not like people, outside of the potentially fringe / outlier cases highlighted in some left-leaning media sources, are all that surprised. People didn’t vote for Trump because he was promising to treat immigrants with respect and dignity.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if many of the red-voters are looking at LA, and thinking things like “Look at how bad that immigration invasion got, they’re literally destroying the city and disrupting government. Even the governor of the State is part of the problem at this point, making noise about defending the public disorder. Tut tut. Send in more marines”.

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    Tim Walz, her running mate, sent the national guard in to attack BLM protesters. This is a problem with both parties.

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        ‘Stop repeating unflattering facts about Democrats! 😭’

        If you only oppose authoritarianism under Republicans, you don’t oppose fascism. You just prefer a flavor of it.

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          Or maybe you should tell the entire story about how he realized he fucked up, formally apologized, and made good with the organization.

          Seems like the opposite of a red flag to me. When is the last time we had a competent leader who was willing to admit it when they’re wrong?

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            LoL. ‘It’s just a little ol’ military crackdown! Nobody’s perfect! He said he was sorry!!’

            You’re welcome to forgive him, but it’s still disqualifying. You don’t give someone a second chance to repeat their mistakes, when that mistake was an authoritarian military crackdown on the people they were charged with protecting.

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              Nobody can ever change their mind about anything, but also Republicans are the worst because they never change their minds about anything!

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                People can change. That doesn’t mean they’re entitled to a position of power after they have earned a reputation for abusing power.

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        Ah the classic alienate the other side of the population to further the divide. It’s almost like these political escapades are by design to divide the nation.

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    I mean is anyone surprised? The media’s capitulation and normalization of a felon rapist traitor and his enablers is why we are where we are. Because drama makes them more money and this nation lacks the rules necessary to prevent the media from lying to Americans.

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      I mean is anyone surprised?

      I am genuinely surprised that we made it four years under his first term without getting this far in, but we’re speed running to military dictatorship inside six months.

      If you actually read the article it is absolutely swimming in reactionary revanchism. There’s everything from the author defending Trump’s association with the Charlottesville rioters to whining about MSNBC sound-bites to referring to immigration during the Biden Presidency as a “Border Invasion”.

      This isn’t even the boilerplate Politico “Lying when their lips are moving” false-equivalency. This is Derek Hunter, a talk radio frothing fascist and senior columnist for Townhall.com, doing exactly what his corporate handlers pay him to do.

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        We need to reach out harder to the republicans, and we need more AIPAC money. Whoever gets the most election funding tends to win! (except for last time of course)

        So lets reach out to AIPAC and ask how we can close on more campaign funding, and ask the Cheney family to send someone stronger than Liz next time, to stand next to Harris. Is Dick Cheney busy? Maybe he can shoot a dem in the face and have the dem apologize for it. I bet Dick Cheney would say yes to this.

        /s

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      Hey now! He was convicted of all 34 indictments he was charged with!

      And sure, those charges were delayed for years. And they were a fraction of the 91 indictments he could have been tried for. And they had to be brought in a municipal court, by a local DA, because nobody above Alvin Brag was willing to bring a case to trial.

      And then the court never bothered to issue a sentence, because it would have been rude to punish a newly elected President.

      But they did something!

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      Any attempt by the Democrats to forestall this would have allowed Trump to paint them as anti-American traitors. So the Democrats did nothing and Trump painted them as anti-American traitors.

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        And he’s painting them as anti-American traitors to this day as he makes Nazi poses around the WH.