• Tuukka R@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 days ago

    Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then? (Except them “lying” that Trump would use the army against US civilians, of course)

    • Banana@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 days ago

      Clinton is a fuckin capitalist and Harris is a fucking neoliberal. Neither of them actually care about anything more than upholding the status quo. They are not working class or even for the working class.

      This all being said, status quo is far better than fascism, but we can do better.

      Basically, just like someone being a woman wouldn’t make them a bad president, it would also not make them a good one. Having good policies makes you a good president.

    • kreskin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      5 days ago

      Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then?

      If it was misogyny alone was the cause, then why did harris lose across every single demographic of women? She lost across every single voting demographic except a 1 point gain in college educated white men.

      We have polling data, you could read it. Dems are failing to analyze why we lost, just like they failed to figure out how we could win. So we’re on track to lose again, and comments like the one you made are why.

      • Tuukka R@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 days ago

        Uh… If the misogyny was enough to remove enough votes from them to allow the worse candidate to win, then obviously it was a decisive factor. Being a decisive factor does not equal being the only factor.

        • kreskin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          If the misogyny was enough to remove enough votes from them to allow the worse candidate to win, then obviously it was a decisive factor.

          Sure, but how do we put actual numbers behind that “if”?

        • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 days ago

          No, it wasn’t the decisive factor. The misogynists wouldn’t have voted for Harris either way. The decisive factor was Harris failing to inspire her own base while pandering to the elusive “undecided voter” by propping up Liz Cheney, among other things. Don’t get it twisted, Harris lost because she and her team were too incompetent to read the room.