I love France they take food and tradition seriously while at the same time their own government is afraid off them.
All governments should be afraid of their people. The French ae doing something right.
If I were a government, I’d be afraid of French traditions, too.
Ah, the french.
Don’t know where europe would be without them.
More nobles and fewer Haussman style buildings, for a start.
I am not a vegan but oat milk lattes are the best lattes. They are creamy, rich with flavor that’s perfectly aligned w the coffee, lower in calories & more sustainable than classic dairy.
Everyone should try them once at least.
The quality of oatmilk varies wildly based on the brand. I’m not a fan of Kirkland or Oatly but Califia and Silk are delicious.
Jesus. Oatly is by far the best. By far. Especially the barista style.
I also like it but it didn’t feel any healthier than regular milk, I don’t have the macros in mind anymore but I think half full milk was better when I did look it up a while ago.
I just made a smoothie with a frozen berry blend I got from Costco. Yep, I used oatmilk
I don’t think this story/tweet is real. Or maybe just the misunderstanding that the restaurant didn’t have oat milk on hand.
Totally agreed that oat milk superior flavor for many different applications. Milk from a tiyty just ain’t it for smoothies and stuff. I don’t make any smoothies with animal milk.
This is the real answer. The french aren’t the pretentious ones in this story, they’re the plebs who don’t know any better haha
(All in good fun)
No, they just have way better milk than us
I agree. My preference goes oat then whole. I like the nuttiness that the oat milk adds. Local café was doing a monthly special, and they’re the best in the county so I tried it. It became my regular order.
I must keeping getting crap oatmilk. I always feel like it’s watery, and I shake it before pouring.
I also drink whole milk, and think anything under 2% might as well be water. Unless it’s a chocolate milk full of thickeners instead of just milk and chocolate.
I also get plain, because I don’t want added sugar.
Suggestions?
A lot of brands make extra creamy versions that work better in coffee imo. Some sell a barista version which is also extra creamy and designed to steam well for lattes. Theyre more calorie dense though, so you kinda lose one of the main benefits. My favorite milk for lattes is ultra-filtered whole milk.
Forager Project has a nice oatmilk. I like it better than Oatly.
Oaty brand oat milk.
They have some kind of special ingredient that keeps everything properly emulsified.
Warning it’s not cheap. I maybe buy a carton a week.
Just use whole milk.
I do.
But I have vegan and lactose intolerant family and friends. So I try to keep shelf stable options on hand for when they visit.
After they leave, I use what’s left so it’s not wasted, and would prefer an option that I like too.
Makes sense.
Maybe try cachew milk? It’s pretty tasty.
Oatly barista in the grey cartons is hands down the best IMO after trying loads of other brands. I get it at publix in the US or Tesco in the UK
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You have to go for the stuff with added fat - barista style - to get anything approaching decent.
Mighty is the best brand I’ve tried by a margin, they do a barista one but for an all round milk replacement the whole m.lk is great. They use a blend of oat and pea though I think
Yes! The moment I tried oatmilk I realized the nuttiness of the oat compliments the coffee bean aromas making it the superior milk for espresso drinks
lower in calories
not everyone wants that.
Lowering the calories makes room to compensate with bacon grease.
Yeah but that makes my coffee taste funny.
The barista stuff isn’t that much lower in calories than dairy milk. The rest is true though: delicious, sustainable, microfoam-able.
Have you looked at the ingredients of oat milk?
It’s water with vegetable oil and just enough oats for the taste.
Have you seen what they feed cows? Think I’ll stick with the oats and vegetable oil 😉
You mean grass?
You keep that ignorance as long as you can bud.
One of us sure is ignorant.
We don’t have feedlot dairy’s here.
You can literally go for a drive and watch dairy cows eat green grass.
They wrap hay bales in this plastic stuff that makes the hay start to ferment which apparently the cows fucking love to eat.
I’m lactose intolerant. What’s your point?
My point is, that oat milk lattes are not the “best” lattes, they’re oily not creamy, and that the flavor of oats does not align with coffee.
I’m diabetic and have to avoid lactose too, amongst many other things.
Oat milk might be a fine beverage, if you’re into oily watery horse food, but a substitute for proper milk it is not.
You’re trying really hard to be objectively correct about this silliness. No wonder there’s a stigma about coffee snobs.
I’m not trying to be objectively correct at all.
It’s just really easy to make fun of people who drink poncy “milk” because everyone secretly wants it to be some magical elixir delicately squeezed from the nipples of plump little oats tended by fat little bumble bees in Tasmania.
I’m not trying to be objectively correct at all.
Literally you: “Of course proper milk is superior to oat milk.”
That’s very obviously a subjective statement.
Milk is just watery fatty cow food with some extra steps involved.
Not really. It’s a mammalian excretion that has literally been refined over millions of years to deliver an infants nutritional requirements.
As long as that infant happens to be a cow
I drink milk, but milk isn’t superior to oat milk.
mammal milk has specific ingredients that are meant to specifically feed infants of that animal. So its often high in fat and has specific things that are meant to be digested by that animal. Breast milk from a human has special ingredients that help digest the high lactose content and those ingredients are not in other milks.
Now Oats have been designed over years to be digested by humans and other animals. They propagate by being consumed and then travel to other areas post consumption. The nutrition in oats and other vegetables is mostly there specifically to drive animals like us to eat them so that we propagate them.
Of course proper milk is superior to oat milk.
If you were stuck on a desert island and could have an infinite supply of either it would be an absurdity to choose the oat milk over cows milk.
It’s true that cows milk is intended for calves and it’s probably not advisable for an adult human to consume exclusively cows milk, but it’s an absurdity to claim that cows milk is less nutritionally valuable than oat milk.
Oats have been domesticated by humans over a few short millennia because of their ease of cultivation and longevity in storage. Lets not conflate convenience with nutritional quality. Besides which oat milk doesn’t contain much in the way of oats anyway.
The one I drink has 11%, which seems plenty. At some point it’d become thin porridge, and I don’t want to drink that.
Barista style oat milk is fantastic, froths so nicely.
I just bought one last week. Works well. Enjoyable but clearly different than whole milk.
Sticking to it for health.
I like oatmilk in general. Oatmilkshakes are also awesome and oatmilk is way better in cereal
Too many people tried soy milk or almond milk and it has unfortunately turned them away from dairy alternatives. Oatmilk leagues above all the rest.
Soy milk slays on protein though. If that’s important to you.
I also didn’t like soy milk at first now I have it with cereal almost daily, so I guess it’s also getting used to the flavour.
Definitely. Though I do quite like chocolate almond milk! I find almond milk tk be a tolerable alternative some of the times but ugh soymilk
Oat milk things out frozen drinks but I agree it’s delicious all the same.
“I am not a vegan but”
HAHAAH, INSERT FUNNY THEY TELL YOU JOKE!!1!
Literally going to be flying to Paris today.
Good to know I guess lol.
I was backpacking Europe. I had just left Amsterdam and gotten to Berlin. I ordered a Heineken on impulse and the bartender looked appalled and said no.
Every morning: A double-shot espresso with a small’ish blob of sweetened condensed milk, a few drops of vanilla extract and a teaspoon of brown sugar.
Heaven.
Is this ice coffee or are you trying to break your mug?
It was for a few seconds. Mug is fine. :)
Good to hear. It is good looking. You should be careful though. A few second can be enough.
I’m not going to shame anyones coffee choices but hard no from me.
Fair. But it’s what I like!
How do you keep your condensed milk from hardening between servings?
In my area they come in tin cans, so there’s too much to use it all up before it starts to thicken
I’d try cellophane with a rubber band on top of the can, stored in the fridge, take it out an hour before you want to use it, but that’s need some refinement
Could you portion and freeze it? Is an ice cube’s worth too much? This sounds amazing and I want to do it ♥️
Can you get it in the metal toothpaste tubes?
Never heard of that before, is that a thing in your area?
I refrigerate it. I use so little that it barely cools the coffee when I put it in. It’s really no different than creamer. It’s just thicker. So it makes the brew creamier.
Why is it in snow? Too hot for you?
Thought it would make for a cool pic. Was still plenty hot!
I’m just teasing you. :)
BTW, love the mug, I used to live near Seattle. :)
Thanks! Yeah, that pic was taken just a bit outside of White Center in West Seattle area.
I love the french, I really do.
Just back from pints with a French lad. Just the two of us. Fucking love the French. Absolutely superb folks.
If they don’t have oat milk, what should’ve they said?
The waiter probably was conveying it’s not on the menu or is out of stock. No big deal…
That is the standard response in France, I’m surprise that waiter was so polite about it.
We wanted to order pizza and I told my girlfriend (who is Italian) that I might order Pizza Hawaii. Her reflexes kicked in and she bit me.
So tasty that she had to get at the residuals
This does qualify as blasphemy.
Now show her this (hint: top-left corner).
Cook carbonara with cream next
I like Pizza Hawaii, that doesn’t mean I’m a war criminal.
Is calling it Pizza Hawaii new? Seen it three times in this thread but I’ve never seen it anywhere before. Usually people just say Hawaiian pizza. Which is the inferior version of pineapple on Pizza by the way.
I don’t know. I actually never heard of Hawaiian Pizza before.
I’m pretty sure the Italians would take the war criminal over you.
Source: food debates with Italian friends
Make it with powdered eggs and American bacon to capture the pure, traditional heritage of the fish.
username checks out.
I’m curious what part of the world you’re from? I’ve never seen it phrased as “Pizza Hawaii” and it hits my brain like a wall just the same as hearing “Pizza Margarita”.
Oh my Gucciness, my mom did that while I was growing up. I learned how to get my carbonara on when I moved to Europe. Damn, I love the traditional carbonara.
Now go to Rome and get it there. I really miss proper carbonara and Amatriciana after moving from Rome to northern Italy.
My bro is legit visiting Rome this week. Will demand he do this. Thanks!
Tell him to not go to restaurants within sight of a famous monument and never if there is someone in the street convincing people to come in.
Or if you want a concrete recommendation, go to Zi Umberto in Trastevere for awesome Roman peasant food. But you need to book.
Would you suggest I try the Bucatini Amatriciana at Zi Umberto?
Absolutely. And if they have the zucchini flowers for starter. And it’s all good, really.
I can’t remember if Artichokes are in season… I think I saw some at the market yesterday, but if they are then the Romans do great things with them. Both Roman and Jewish style.
Rn he and his two young daughters are at Piazza Navona. Gimme the action list, youItaliansz.
Curious, is their preference guanciale o pancetta? I tried both, and guanciale is my favorite.
guanciale, 100%.
If you want to piss off an italian make carbonara with cream and pancetta
Shes a keeper.
Once in Italy my wife tried ordering a pizza with chicken and they just straight up laughed at her and said ‘Not in Italy!’, but like… not in a mean way.
Well yeah, nobody calls it that. It’s Hawaiian Pizza.
“Nobody”
Is it just in Germany then?
I am almost sure it’s also in Italy. But gf is sleeping. Can’t ask.
Edit: Ok, I woke her up and it’s a bit more complicated. You usually say things like Pizza con “ingredient” or Pizza alla “stuff”. There are some pizzas that a famous and these are called Pizza “Name”. So, if the country of Italy ever would accept the existence of Pizza Hawaii, it would be called that.
To be fair, Italian pizza is a separate beast entirely, essentially a completely different food.
Damn, just when you are about to forgive a country for their misdeeds.
Lots of comments complaining about restaurants not being inclusive, but it’s unrealistic to expect others to bend to your needs.
I can’t go to a vegan joint and get upset when they don’t want to serve me a steak.
Nor can I het upset when a restaurant isn’t Halal.
If you want vegan, go to a place that sells vegan food.
That’s probably the most polite barista in Paris. I’d have expected a tirade, complete with arm waving and rude gestures.
They also seem to operate under the misunderstanding that the French can make coffee. Here in Italy we know that to be false.
Half the French I know have a Bialetti stove top coffee machine. Sure, the french typically buy ground beans and they tend to prefer a dark roast. But they still use Italian technology.
Pwffft Italy know about coffee?
Signed, A Brazilian
You certainly make a lot of the coffee but all the technology for brewing it comes from Italy. Anyway, there is lots of credit to spread around. It’s just that the French don’t get any of it.
Signed, Not an Italian
That’s true, and you should know I do coffee drip. So I’m not into that tech, which means I’m doubling down
Honestly not trolling today
To be fair, most of the dishes people like from France are imported by some king or another. Traditional French food kinda sucks, unless you really like stew.
Guillotine!
Right? This could have been an open declaration of war. Dude should have known better.
This never happened. They would have given him a cup of black coffee and said " bro you’re in France now"
The French are right. When you have fabled cuisine, lauded all over the world as the gold standard… you get resistant to change. And rightfully so.
Putain, non, is indeed the proper response to said question.
