• ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Xi is more than happy to have a scapegoat for his economic troubles so the people and the powerful don’t hang him. Trump sometimes wants to speed run into the hanging and then realizes he really can’t piss off his own power base if he wants to keep his neck.

    • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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      2 months ago

      The workforce is unionizing even if their union is pretty terrible.

      Definitely just a toss up of where this is going.

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        2 months ago

        Which workforce? The Chinese? There’s only one union and it’s run by the government. Any non-government unions are illegal.

        The US is gaining a new interest in unions, but we have our own anti-union laws to deal with. Not as bad China’s obviously.

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            We need a vanguard party because the proles are too dumb to save themselves. We’ll prove it by banning unions that aren’t under our thumb.

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          Yeah in a global environment essentially China is the workforce/factory workers of the previous gilded age.

          And it’s pretty much exactly my point that their union (the government) is finally pushing back against the management while being not exactly kind to their workers.

          We are essentially reliving through a new worker rebellion but from the governments of the global south with their own layers of local nuance underneath that.
          Weird times.

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            A government is not a union.

            The rebellion is mostly demographics. We are at a point, where globalization reached most countries. At the same time births are around 138million ± 5milliion since 40 years. China itself even has population decline.

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          2 months ago

          such a socialist country where union protests lead you to being disappeared

          Oh sorry, did I say socialist? China lines up better as a fascist economy.

    • Daryl@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      And what, exactly, is wrong with cheering for China? They have never invaded a foreign sovereign nation in their entire 400 year history. They have been invaded by a lot of other countries, however.

  • WuceBrillis@lemm.ee
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    There is a total of 350 million Americans. Fuck every single one of them for not stopping fascism from taking their government.

    I don’t care if you felt like you did your part, it wasn’t enough. It was on you, now it is on all of us. Fuck Americans.

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      what does “fascism” even mean? i get the impression people use it to describe “things they don’t like”. is there any clear definition?

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      The problem is that no one is at the breaking point yet. You can still go to work, buy things, have a family day, and if you’re a US citizen, you feel safe.

      Now, will that change? Yes, it will. Then maybe enough people will wake up, but until then… no one is going to risk death or getting their families killed. No mass organized resistance to join. Don’t act like it wouldn’t happen to your country either because it can.

      It’s not easy to just saddle up against the greatest superpower to ever exist on Earth.

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        Yeah all these people are acting like there was a ‘Stop Fascism’ button we just decided not to press which is just ignorant. It’s easy to be Mr. TearTheSystemDown from behind a keyboard an ocean away. If it really affects them so much and is so easy why not just come over and do it yourself?

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          We sort of did have a ‘stop fascism’ button, but it was labelled Kamala Harris and a lot of people just weren’t really feeling like voting I guess.

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              If it would keep trump out of office for another four years it would make the odds of him ever regaining power vanishingly small; he’d be in his mid eighties in the next election, and all the lawsuits against him wouldn’t have been thrown out.

              Say what you will about Biden, but he was pretty effective at pausing the slide into fascism. He strengthened ties with our allies and invested in infrastructure. If Harris had won we could have taken back the Supreme Court and actually started reversing course.

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                Say what you will about Biden, but he was pretty effective at pausing the slide into fascism

                He literally welcomed the fascist fuck in with open arms. He didn’t do shit to slow facism and it will be his legacy

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                  You think he should’ve refused to hand over the presidency? How exactly do you think that would’ve gone down?

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                Trump isn’t the problem. He’s too stupid and too old to have planned enough or worked hard enough to accomplish the things he has.

                Fascism was happening in the US regardless of if it was wrapped in a golden toilet or not.

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                  Well it relied on trump being in power to take effect. Having a useful idiot in the executive opens a lot of doors. I don’t see how the Republicans could seize power without him, Vance wasn’t ever going to win on his own.

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                Say what you will about Biden

                I held my nose voting for him, but Biden was the best president of my lifetime.

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          There was not nearly enough assassination attempts of Donald Trump between 2020 and 2024. You had your chance, and wasted it.

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          Sure and a great movement. This guy was talking about just rising up with violence. Not happening unless you want a quick death. I’m all for mass protesting and it’s a good sign it’s getting a massive following.

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      I understand the sentiment to some degree, but wherever you live, I’d be very curious if there’s a growing far-right party in your country.

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    That’s business school from a guy who ran casinos into the ground. Nice work America.

  • شاهد على إبادة@lemm.ee
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    Say what you will about China’s political system. At least it is much more of a meritocracy. The politicians who climb up the ranks are the ones who have a proven record of achievements.

    In the US the people can elect a charlatan with no experience whatsoever, i.e. an outsider, and some will spin this as a good thing. Would you hire an outsider doctor or plumber?

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      The politicians who climb up the ranks are the ones who have a proven record of achievements

      I don’t know where you got that from.

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      Wait, based on what are you saying this? That’s a complicated to verify claim.

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        Not really the CCP is basically using a reformed Mandarin system. To rise within the ranks of the party they look at a combination of how well the thing you administered (e.g. a state factory) performed in comparison to whatever is comparable, as well as opinion polls of the local population, which aside from making sure that you won’t be hated (which could cause disquiet and if there’s one thing the CCP doesn’t want then that’s that) also doubles at sniffing out manipulated numbers, the people are generally quite good at spotting corrupt officials. If you rank well within your cohort you get promoted from administering a factory to administering local industry, then regional, etc, etc. What doesn’t happen any more is grading people based on how good their poetry is as well as cutting off their balls but the basic system is, broad strokes, similar to how Imperial China educated and selected its civil servants.

        That doesn’t mean that there’s not corruption and grift going on, there’s still some degree of princeling privilege but it’s basically impossible to fail upwards in the CCP. Knowing people or being someone’s kid might open some doors, but it’s not going to guarantee you anything. It also means that the top ranks are full of for lack of better characterisation engineer bureaucrats.

        Or, put differently: If the CCP was completely incapable they would’ve long lost power. Their whole legitimacy hinges on being perceived as good administrators, they know that, and they’re doing their darnedest to not lose it. Propaganda and secret police alone is not sufficient, history has shown that again and again, you actually need to be good at stuff that’s important to people or they cease to tolerate you.

      • شاهد على إبادة@lemm.ee
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        How is it a complicated to verify claim? Even if you choose to ignore the obvious outcomes, there’s plenty of publications and studies about it. That’s the problem with limiting yourself to “China experts” from the West, they never bother to learn the language or learn about China’s history and politics.

        https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-19-8057-2_23

        In China all politicians including the premier start out as civil servants and a required to pass an entrance exam and have to climb up the ranks.

        The US could probably adopt some of this without changing too much. A simple spelling test could have weeded out Trump. Ideally, a number of years of experience in civil service/local politics, should also be required to run for president.

        It should be be implicitly obvious so it shouldn’t be explicitly stated. But we are simply comparing how the two systems position people of power. It is not about the people themselves in the positions. Think of it like a company that has its CEO climb up the ranks from an entry level employee vs a company that brings outsiders. Except the latter company leaves the decision to mostly an unqualified mass that sometimes hires a highly unqualified person. Both companies can be evil, or the former evil and the latter good, none of this matters to the point that I’m making.

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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      At least it is much more of a meritocracy.

      This isn’t at all true. It has the same corruption as everywhere else. Those in power do everything they can to keep it. Why do you think Pooh Bear got himself made president for life? That wasn’t on merit, he just had enough political power to make it that way.

      • شاهد على إبادة@lemm.ee
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        He got up to the point that he can do that through merit. He didn’t suddenly get elected as premier. The point I’m trying to make went right past you.

        This isn’t about Xi himself or Trump himself. It is about how those in power get there. I tried giving an analogy in my other comment.

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      Dude, fuck the CCP, just like because the GQP are turds doesn’t mean the CCP are the good guys

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        The politbureau/party can still elect a new leader even if term limits are removed. There is democracy for “qualified voters” in China.

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        Not sure whether Xi keeping the job is faltering of the CCP’s ideal of collective leadership, or him being the guy the collective leadership wants as figurehead. They certainly don’t want a second Mao that’s for sure.

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    … Trump keeps begging for China deal while bragging about phone calls kissing his ass. No foreign meetings. No envoy sent to China.
    China limits US studio film releases
    Bessent says Tariffs are no joke. China must make a deal.
    Chinese airlines refuse Boeing+parts deliveries (reported as “China orders”, but leopards were not going to make US aerospace affordable at 125% tariffs.

  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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    Big flex from China. I’m waiting for a country to call trump’s bluff by putting an export tax on their own goods sent to the USA.

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      Canada should have done this on everything. If the Americans can afford the tariff then there is room for us to charge more. Not really but yeah should do it.

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      If only… America holds 20% of global purchasing power so an export tax like that would result in needing to lower local interest rates to boost domestic productivity, which would decrease foreign investment, eventually weakening the local currency.

      It would be hilarious if a country that exports very little to nothing to the US did it to make a point though. Totally on board with that.

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        China is already weakening their currency to keep their exports (worldwide) more attractive.

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        America holds held 20% of global purchasing power…

        Truth be told, I think the only thing we really produced in the US was the US dollar. Sounds like it’s the number 1 export for the US, and trump just toppled demand for it.

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      Or, they just pay the tariff themselves. Could you imagine China going, “Cool bro, we’ll just absorb the cost ourselves. Now what?”

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        That wouldn’t really do much for China. The reason the tariffs hurt us is that we sent all our manufacturing to them (along with a few other countries). So the tariffs only make our stuff cost more. Footing the bill like that would just weaken China’s position.

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        What would happen is the US dollar would be weaker, profits selling to the US weakened. It would still harm us primarily.

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    The Americans are panicking over China, they have no idea what do do and are just making knee-jerk responses pretending they are doing something and looking ‘tough’ in the eyes of Americans. Yet what exactly can they do to a country that has 3 trillion US dollars in ‘spare change’ of your currency and holds US$759 billion in your treasury bills?

    The fact is, just like the financial meltdown a while back, China will just use this opportunity to buy up even MORE of American manufacturing, invest in building more US manufacturing plants (using American slave labor wage workers) and soon the US will be nothing more than a branch plant country for Chinese corporations, all profits returning back to China.