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Amen
He’s my hero. Please more people follow in his footsteps. Praise be to Luigi
Reminds me of a black mirror episode. 15 million something.
Very ironic imho to use AI to celebrate this guy.
Why?
Anti-AI is a small primitivism and/or IP protection movement.
It has nothing to do with the working class struggle. Or the right to have proper healthcare.
If you think it has nothing to do with the working class struggle you need to go back to square one and begin again. There isn’t much that isn’t impacted by the rise of AI.
I wont take lessons of primitivists, sorry.
People against technological advancements are against the progress of the working class.
The only chance for people to live good lives is to delegate a great amount of work to the machines. That’s just it.
If you think that primitivism is the answer and got fooled by the anti-AI movement you should be going back to square one. Start reading the basics until you learn that technological progress is not the problem, human greediness and capitalism is.
People against technological advancements are against the progress of the working class.
If you think that what is being called “AI” right now is actually a useful tool for the working class when big corpo dumbasses are selling it as a replacement for workers: You’re fucking delusional.
Ah. Here we are. The Schrodinger AI.
People are now behaving like MAGA with the immigrants. At the same same time too bad to do anything useful and also stealing everyone’s jobs.
Not surprised that two identical ways of thinking end up with the same arguments.
At the end, irrational thinkers are all just the same.
Except anyone with a fucking brain who has been paying attention can see that actually happening with AI. It’s utter garbage that barely works, and it has been used to replace actual people or other tools that do work.
This isn’t about being against the advancement of technology. The technology itself fucking sucks. We can do better.
Anyone with a brain know that anti-AI movement started because etsy artists doing porn commissions for a living got replaced, because AI can do a better job on that for free.
And because those etsy artists are incredibly influential in some circles the anti-AI feeling got blown out of proportions.
But making wanna-be entrepreneurs the backbone of the workers movement is not moving the working class anywhere.
The places where I have used the technology works just fine if you know how to use it. For programming it’s incredibly more efficient that going search to stack overflow or github. And to do refractors of your code it can save a lot of time.
In my spare time I also use AI for image recognition as part of a self-hosted security system. And works far better that any other solution.
I can actively choose to use the technology or no. I choose to use it because it makes my job easier. Simple as that.
You’re tilting at windmills. It’s not about rejecting technological advancement. It’s about ensuring its fairness and accessability.
Yes, technology can be (and is) used for social good. It can also be (and is) used to opress and supress. What’s more both dynamics are happening at the same time. The world isn’t black-and-white. The human condition is complex.
That’s exactly my point.
AI is just another technology. If some corporation does bad things with it is just bad. If some people do good things with it then is good.
But people charge at AI just because itself. They are against the technology. Not the corporations using it.
I have been given the example “But UH is using AI to deny medical treatment”. What if instead of AI they would have used a Java application? They would be against Java? No, because that argument is not rational.
They are just against AI because etsy artists who made easy money doing porn commission got their hustle broken by AI doing a better job for free. That’s just how the anti-AI movement somehow got mixed in some leftist circles, because etsy artists are too influential in those circles. And their complain got blown out of proportions.
No one is really talking about AI as inherently bad. It’s current implementation is impossible to separate from consolidated ownership by big tech and environmental rape in the name of delivering a technology that has no clear use case to the end consumer yet.
Just because people don’t want unpack all of that nuance for pedants like you doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Until AI means something different than the transgressive genAI integration and resource hoarding of big Tech - indeed until AI is no longer synonymous with Big Tech, then all of this wretched handwringing you’re engaging in over the distinction between the two will continue to be useless, meaningless, and fucking annoying.
Spend your time on something useful. Would you like a new prompt?
They actually are though.
Environmental rape. Fun meaningless term, when having Photoshop open for hours is more environmentally damaging that creating the equivalent with Stable Diffusion.
You cannot unpack any nuance because you are intellectually incapable of doing so. As you only seem to follow the latest trend for your favourite influencer, without actually making any real analysis of what you are saying or writing. The “funny meaningless terminology” you used is more than enough indicator to me that behind those words there are not any thoughts.
I’m not big tech and I use AI, in a computer with a top 40W consumption. So try again cave boy. Try tell me how I’m “raping” earth with that use of AI.
Sorry for all the names thrown in this post, but you got it coming.
Seems like you’re prescribing a lot of opinions to the people you’re replying to. But if you go back and read what they wrote carefully you should see that your deductions and assumptions about what they think don’t really stand the test of reason and semantics. Especially given how much of a tech-focused forum this is. Every third post is about Linux - so realistically what are the chances that you are enaging with primitivists on here?
Linux is not a “scary new technology”. It has been around forever.
Try to look for a positive view on any technology that has been blooming in the last 5-10 years instead. You’ll find few. At least I find few.
For instance, self driving cars are also hated. Digital currency instead of cash (not talking about cryptocurrency, just things like digital euro, or digital yuan). Any form of digitalization of anything that wasn’t digital until the last 5 years seems to be hated.
Welp, even smartphones seems to be hated. The other day I stumbled into a post where a lot of people said that they preferred old fliphones and where considering getting one instead of a smartphone.
Technobros used as derogatory term. Hell, even Luigi was being called out here for being a “technobro”.
Primitivism is on the rise. I wish it wasn’t, but it is.
United Healthcare was using AI to deny claims.
Also saying AI has nothing to do with the working class struggle is hilarious.
This is such a stretch. AI used to deny claims and video animation AI are so far apart that you might as well be complaining that both of these two things are using the same electrons 🙄
Well, I disagree. They may be trained on different data sets but both represent the same ethical problems with generative AI right now, imho.
Clearly you don’t even know what AI means and just parrot whatever meme you hear. What ethical issues? You’re comparing copyright theft to what? Using machine learning to decide whether insurance claim should be accepted? These aren’t even the same realm of computing and as close as a calculator is to Candy Crush.
So, you don’t think there’s ethical issues with letting machine learning who lives and dies? When did I say they were the exact same technology? Do not assume what I do and do not know based on things I did not say, my friend.
Nah dude you said it’s the same ethical issue when it’s clearly not. Machine deciding whether who lives or dies vs what exactly? What’s the other issue that is the same “ethical issue” here with image generating AI? Which part is the same or even remotely similar?
Maybe you mean that both technologies are problematic? But that’s really not all that useful because ALL technology is problematic by the very nature of it being a force of change.
Probably also using computers. And I’ve heard that CEO drink water too.
Primitivism are actually working against the interest of the working class. Without technology the workers are the ones who will need to work for more hours to obtain the same level of life quality.
I don’t have a problem with the concept of generative AI my guy. What you call “primitivism” I call having an ethical issue with basically everything surrounding how it’s done right now. Also, I am a creative person so I do actually believe in IP.
what do you see as the difference between a person seeing your work, Ingesting it into their brain to reprogram their brain, allowing them to make parallel works, and an AI ingesting your work as part of its training data?
Our current IP laws prohibit making money on exact copies of your work. That is not what AI does.
We live in a capitalist word. Almost every use of every technology is unethical.
But people hold a special grudge against AI.
Same example as before. Is United Healthcare use AI for denying treatment it got pointed out. If they used a Java app and traditional algorithms to do so, it’s not the technology which we point out, don’t we?
If AI is forced in windows 11 by Microsoft, it’s pointed out. But if they force Teams, we don’t hate communication applications, don’t we? We don’t say that communication applications are bad and unethical. Even if most of them are as property of big tech as AI is.
Now the question is, why AI is getting this special treatment?
In order to get the answer I traces where the hated started. There was AI before. And the first by jump in generative AI was not hated, quite the contrary it got plenty of praise. But then Image generation came… And it rubbed artist the wrong way, thus the anti-AI movement started.
Also I looked for other correlations with people against AI. And I found that they tend to be against any new technology from the last 5-10 years or so.
So that’s how I found the answer of that question. Just looking at the origins and looking at who had those opinions.
I have found that the genesis of most things is the key to really understand them. And this genesis really explains why if an AI takes workers jobs it’s hated and pointed out, but if a python script does the same it’s not.
I’m an open minded person. If I get a better answer to that question that bugs me, I would reconsider my position. But I’m yet to read any rational answer on:
Why AI gets a special treatment when judging its unethical uses when compared with any other technology also being unethically used by corporations and capitalism?
You’ve got a particular worldview that I’m not interested in engaging with. Happy holidays.
Fair enough. Have good holidays!
You are correct, AI is getting a lot of flack for unethical behavior, when unethical behavior is inherent to the neo capitalist mindset.
And primitivism is obviously on the rise too, which is represented by the rise in individualism, nationalism, fascism worldwide.
It’s incredible how successfully the AI topic has been hijacked by copyright propaganda.
Copyright is bad, period. Barking at AI for using copyrighted shit for training just makes it less accessible to train for anyone BUT the mega rich.
Let’s say we do ban copyright data for training. Then only Google, Microsoft and Apple can releastically source data for training. That and countries that don’t respect this like China and Iran right? Ok, so now they hired farms of people to produce training material and release their models that NOBODY can compete with. Everything is literally worse in every possible way now and AI is fully owned by corporate overlords.
I genuinely don’t understand the though process of these people. We want information to be free and accessible to everyone, no?
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I think that’s a fair take though the world is allergic to “open source” being a part of our government. I mean, we can’t even open source government projects paid by citizens in most countries so introducing open source as part of our governing process is basically impossible.
Me catching up on historical Christian theology on YouTube to help contextualize the spirituality of my youth:
I’m loving this lecturer’s depth of knowledge on this subject and he’s right that literally every person who knows that religion exists has some kind of theological standpoint whether or not they even believe in a God at all-
-but I completely disagree that the specific question of divinity is worth even asking let alone debating or worst case scenario creating divisions between people over. This isn’t even me saying I believe in it or not in fact I specifically refuse to engage with that question in any way.
Debates regarding the divinity of Jesus have been overwhelmingly used throughout history to provide cover for ideologies that both directly contradict the actual words of Jesus and which have caused the suffering and death of millions. “It’s fine that we rape children because we believe in the divinity of Jesus!” The nicene creed ruined one of if not the greatest antiestablishment movements in history and was instrumental in its transformation into itself being the abusive establishment.
Now, I do understand that this makes me by default non-nicene, but it’s the fact that that binary exists in the first place that I specifically object to. They’re the ones making it an issue for no reason other than to have something to hold over other people’s heads that requires no actual thought or effort. They don’t have to actually debate theology, they’ve ended the discussion there by choosing a fundamentally unprovable premise to hinge their entire argument on. They’ve absolved themselves of expending any effort to better the world because by saying one passage out loud their labor is complete.
The nicene creed exists for no other reason than to wage ideological and literal wars over so that real good can be ignored or even fought against. It does not improve the world in any way. The nicene creed ruined Christianity.
Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.
I can’t help but to agree with you on more or less all points made.
What lecturer are you referring to, have a link?
Bruce Gore, specifically on church history. Seems to be a Presbyterian which imo are usually the biggest nerds but that was what I was looking for anyway ;)
I find the debate on the nicene creed fascinating as always, including your take. But where the fuck are you getting “raping kids is ok because we believe in the divinity of Jesus” [sic]?
I made the same journey during COVID, ultimately arriving at a similar place that the Nicene Creed was the first in a long line of obvious retconned political and human decisions. For what is worth, I also feel like it’s in the same vein as most of what Paul did, codifying and standardizing to the detriment of the source material and to the benefit of anyone willing to take charge.
I’m still genuinely shocked that anyone can read the Gospels and then not see the record-scratch pivot in tone for everything else afterwards. Well, shocked in as far as to then be disappointed at how easily a mess of addenda created something antithetical to a bunch of nebulous good vibes with no clear avenue to monetize it all.
Which, oddly enough, Buddhism does as well, but owns it as part of the process.
You sound like you need Satan in your life.
The satanic temple recognizes that religion has a huge sphere of influence over humanity, and this sphere should not be conceded to theist religions alone. The satanic temple serves as a counter balance to theist religions, and their influence in the world.
PS: Here is a joke:
Question: What to do call people who believe that Satan exists?
Answer:
Christians
Nah diehard atheism isn’t really my jam. I’m leaning more towards gnosticism / esotericism. I’m actually fine with the whole Jesus thing I just wanna skip the misogyny and do more chasing capitalists out of churches with whips while getting drunk with hookers. Also I’m actually kinda vibing with the aesthetic of the weird pseudoscientific spiritual shit because I like my placebos to have pretty rocks and starry shit and as an added side bonus it makes mansplainers really irrationally angry and that’s just funny asf. Also technically Christians and Satanists both believe in satanism the same way if you follow the original vein of satan just being the absence of god its just satanists think that’s a good thing and / or the truer nature of the world which is valid they’re just really edgy / pretentious about it and I’m not ready to buy a trilby just yet. I do admire their work in regards to abortion and reclaiming public and civic spaces from religious oppression. I guess that’s the issue though; Satanism is a political stance, I’m more looking for a spiritual philosophy and religious rituals that connect me to a wider community and provide patterns for my mind and body to latch onto for stability and comfort. Satanism doesn’t provide any of that which again, is fine, but not what I’m looking for.
Fucking scared the SHIT out of me when it animated!
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Isn’t that Charles Leclerc?
Saint Buddy Luigi
To St.Luigi we pray
Let my dick be much longer
Let my dick be much girthier
Let my foreskin be the perfect size
Grow my left ball to match my right one
Bless me with huge tits for my lovely wife
Better knees for both of us
Give us health and healthcare
Turn putin, Trump, and other evils around
Turn them around twice at the top than the bottom
Make all suffering become happiness
End money
End banks
End wars
End war machines
End diseases, especially sexual ones, so we can fuck freely without fear
Give animals their habitat back
Give us the power to need less from the world
Free Luigi from evil justice
End all evil governments
Give us useful governments
It worked! It worked!
My wife loves my huge tits!
How’d you know that thing about my balls?
Good use of AI
Holy shit, that’s the best AI animation I have seen yet!
I think I agree. I thought it was remarkably realistic and not in the uncanny valley like almost all AI animations.
Like almost all AI animations that you recognize as AI animations. The technology is advancing quite rapidly.
AIfox on YouTube has done some pretty crazy ai edits to star wars. https://youtu.be/k_0mTC7AbZs
Loved the vaping. But how many times can a robot pick up the same box in the background?
This is the worst AI video generation will ever be.
It’s getting truly scary. The assault on fact will be much easier going forward.
That is like saying that Jurassic Park was the worst that special effects would ever be.
Reminder that corporations remove Luigi merch from marketplaces. And social networks like reddit ban using Luigi face as profile images etc
https://www.nintendo.com/us/search/#q=luigi&p=1&cat=merch&sort=df
EDIT: Hahaha, Luigi’s hat is sold out!
Temu has real t-shirts with luigi
Congress to ban AI in 3…2…1…
I’ve been using this st Luigi image as reddit profile photo - and reddit removed it with the explanation I was glorifying violence. Wtf
You have to remember that the CEO wasn’t Palestinian
Okay, we’re slowly getting into the questionable territory here.
This is nothing; you should see the one wear he rips open his cowl to reveal his shimmering sculpted physique
You have my intention.
Not since Cecilia Giménez, has the world known such craft.
Absolute masterpiece. This has a place in my gallery forever.
I’m gonna throw up this is too real. AI has gone to far
I don’t believe you…. Link?
Lol! I had to scroll down a single page to see it, and the slow reveal as I scrolled was amazing! 10/10 great art!
wow :D if that sun didn’t move it would be flawless.
in this type of artwork, that depicts a halo, not the sun. The AI actually got that right
Cool that the generationally rich guy who supported anti-woke messages and Elon Musk amongst other things is Lemmy’s new hero. Perhaps there’s some weird sort of hope in the air, that actions speak more than one’s bank account or family, and more than whatever the fuck one does in social media.
You cannot choose your parents or your upbringing or your past. Only what you do in your present. And he chose to give up his future to do good in the now.
You will never do anything as brave as this young man who just threw away his entire life to send a message. Coward.
Yeah, it’s probable that I won’t. But what made you think I’m disparaging him?
Yup. People who do good things are liked. You should try it sometime instead of being a miserable little man.
Whom should I murder? Are you free on friday?
If I was a monster who directly profited from people’s deaths then killing me would be justice, yes.
has anyone asked you how your jimmys are doing recently?
If your jimmys are rustled or if you’ve been in direct contact with someone that have had their jimmys rustled, please seek help.
If you’re not sure if your jimmys are rustled the following symptoms may apply.
- poor hygiene
- being upset by things that don’t concern you
- water retention
- being upset by things you can’t hope to understand
- being upset by the size of your penis
- being upset that nobody cares about your opinion
- diarrhea (rectal and verbal)
- being upset after coming to the realization that your thoughts or ideas on a subject aren’t shared or don’t matter
- having or protecting opinions that are illogical or pointless
- sensitive nipples
- shrinking testicles
- relishing the taste of prolapsed anuses
- unsightly hair growth around the neck and back
Thanks for asking m8 now fuck off
oh yeah, mega rustled.
have you tried walking away and not caring as much?
