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I don’t have an issue with lemmy.ml users but that’s because I don’t use sweeping generalizations. I’ve had perfectly acceptable conversations with people across all kinds of instances.
I’m not a tankie but am a fan of parts of communism and I like socialism.
I like socialism too. But I hate bootlicking authoritarian simps who pretend like they know shit about socialism because they read that one Lenin essay on Marxist.org
What’s worse on the internet these days is “Marxists” that have never read Marx, or just the Manifesto, yet think themselves an authority on the subject. I made an intro to Marxism reading list to help alleviate that, and try to point out misframings and misunderstandings of Marx when I see it, but it’s still a huge issue across Lemmy. Particularly Lemmy.world.
The problem is that folks see these things implemented in the past and say “let’s just do that.” Why can’t we take the good parts and think beyond the rest? These are systems that just won’t work with current population growth and resources. We can always do far and away better than capitalism, but I’ve talked to a handful of working class people that lived under communism for years and they have nothing good to say about it. Not a single positive thing. It’s easy to dream about these things and wax poetic when you don’t experience them firsthand.
Any time a path opens to seize power, humans fill that void regardless of what they believe in. Now suddenly we’ve traded authoritarian 1 for authoritarian 2. It makes no sense to me and I read both Lenin and Marx.
It’s not even an issue of population. Communism requires material conditions you simply cannot create by killing the opposition, no matter how much you desire to preserve “the revolution.”
Capitalism is but one manifestation of material and labor scarcity. Until those things are eliminated you will experience the exact same ills in one form or another. Until those things are eliminated the only option available is harm reduction. Revolutionary communism fails specifically because it fails to recognize itself as a particularly shitty form of harm reduction, insisting the entire concept is bourgeoise propaganda. This is what contemporary leftist theorists have come understand, and what obnoxious internet edgelords refuse to acknowledge, because it requires admitting that Stalin and Mao didn’t get it right.
Ironically this is literally the foundation of Dengism and modern China, which MLs say they like, until you reduce it to first principles, at which point it once again becomes bourgeoise propaganda.
Until those things are eliminated you will experience the exact same ills in one form or another.
Under capitalism, stores throw perfectly good food in a padlocked bin while people starve. Investors speculate on empty properties while people die of exposure. Capitalism creates scarcity so that it can sell people the solution.
It’s 2024, our technologies for agriculture, medicine, engineering, and education are amazing. In terms of the basic necessities of life, we are already a post scarcity civilisation. What we’re lacking is a post scarcity economy to match it.
The problem is that folks see these things implemented in the past and say “let’s just do that.” Why can’t we take the good parts and think beyond the rest?
Of course we should! Every instance of socialism should adapt to the specific material conditions. There’s not much reason to think that socialism in developed countries would look the same as socialism is pre-industrial societies.
It’s just that in order to know what worked and what didn’t, it’s necessary to treat those projects as serious, earnest attempts at socialism and to be willing to point out both the positive and negative aspects. And doing that will immediately get you branded as a tankie by .world. Because in practice, tankie doesn’t actually mean that you defend everything any socialist state ever did, it means that you defend anything a socialist state ever did. Thinking critically and trying to learn from the mistakes from the past makes you a tankie.
Dronies have a pathological need to distance themselves from every attempt at socialism (except the ones that failed, which can be upheld as perfect since they never had to implement their vision), which renders them unable to look at the past from an objective standpoint. They are more concerned with making sure everyone knows that they’re “one of the good ones” than they are about studying and learning from the past. Tankies, otoh, are willing to own up to the facts and acknowledge that past projects were genuine attempts, even when they ultimately failed as the USSR did. Of course it would not have failed if it didn’t have its flaws. But you will rarely see a dronie pushing this angle or interrogating the reasons for the failure, because learning from its mistakes is too close to treating it as as serious and legitimate project - far better (and easier!) to just write off the whole thing and push for shit that has only ever existed in your head and has never been tainted by contact with reality.
We can always do far and away better than capitalism
i think the real ticket, for global economics, especially ones that are going to be sustainable is going to be some sort of pseudo capitalist society. Especially one with a free market. Free market decentralization is a hard target to beat.
There’s room for a lot of interesting study here, i’m not sure any exists, and i’ve yet to see any unfortunately, it’s mostly just people dickwagging around trying to do the le socialism thing, which is funny, i guess.
My former officemate grew up in Russia in the 80s, he hated a shitload about growing up in the Soviet Union. He raved consistently about two things: the education system and gender equality.
His mother was a mathematician and computer programmer, and he didn’t have issues with school there until after he’d been here (the US) as an exchange student and had some… Cultural differences with his teachers.
“People who smile a lot in Russia are considered to be unintelligent”
I’ve talked to a handful of working class people that lived under communism for years and they have nothing good to say about it. Not a single positive thing. It’s easy to dream about these things and wax poetic when you don’t experience them firsthand.
You should talk to some Australians instead. Australia’s communist nations have been stripped of their land, so most australians alive today don’t have much direct experience with communism, but the modern descendants of Australian communists all have good things to say about the way it was done 300 years ago what with the stateless, classless, moneyless gift economy.
Posts like that encourage extremism. It pushes the lemmy.ml users who are normal out while angering and reinforcing the identity of the ones who are extreme.
Also encourages an us and them mindset. Which grows both the us and them sides as people are drawn into it being previously indifferent or unaware.
Call out the individuals or behavior not their entire community or demographic.
Posts like that encourage extremism. It pushes the lemmy.ml users who are normal out while angering and reinforcing the identity of the ones who are extreme.
if your community becomes more toxic when people leave it because other communities call it toxic…maybe its actually toxic.
IMO if I was running an instance it would have already defederated from ml instances.
It’s fine to defederate from them, for generally being bad actors. Nobody has to tolerate that and it drains the community from any influence.
The problem more stems from meme posts that serve no purpose but to strengthen their identity as a group of being toxic and publicly persecuted. Hate groups thrive with the attention under those conditions. Not saying they are one but that’s how they start forming.
I’m not even a .ml user and posts like these are pushing me to switch to their instance lol.
You’re absolutely right. I just signed up on .ml because I was a reddit refugee and it was one of the largest instances, and it got the fastest updates. Like a year later, suddenly everyone’s talking about me like I’m part of some crazy cult. I bet well over half of .ml users don’t even come close to the extreme stereotype, but are considering going to another instance just so we don’t get bullied any more. It’s likely going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It pushes the lemmy.ml users who are normal out while angering and reinforcing the identity of the ones who are extreme.
Sure, whatever. That’s what happened on X. The normal people are leaving and the Nazis are stuck in their hate bubble with no normal people to talk to. Let’s do that.
That’s why I think they’re astroturfers. I mean how else are you going to deter people from a political idea without being completely insufferable?
The communism is a facade for their propaganda, and it also bolsters extremist discourse. Win-win for them.
Hey, I was you about 6 months ago. Same views, and then I was called a dirty imperialist just because I wasn’t left enough. Like, these ML people are out for blood. They want a revolution and it’s acceptable if people have to die to achieve it.
The CCP nad Putin cucks aren’t even leftists, like at all. ML and Hexbear supported Donald Trump because he is anti-NATO.
I hate when leftists punch down on other leftists. It’s not a competition!
They want a revolution and it’s acceptable if people have to die to achieve it.
Yeah that’s how revolutions work. Because the alternative, at least in theory, is more people dying of poverty, environmental pollution, institutionalized oppression, and other consequences of the current global economic system.
but am a fan of parts of communism and I like socialism.
Probably why you don’t have issues with Lemmy.ml users.
Im the same, I like socialism and the theory of communism is nice.
I don’t like .ml users because they hardcore believe and spread the bastardized authoritarianism-based CCP/Russian propaganda version of communism.
Right. They’re opposed to socialism and what the hold up as communism is actually Fascism with a heavy dose of State Capitalism.
What you’re looking for is anarchism. Aka libertarian socialism.
Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is against all forms of authority and seeks to abolish the institutions it claims maintain unnecessary coercion and hierarchy, typically including the state and capitalism.
Um. No. I rather enjoy having a government, just a government that isn’t corrupted by the rich and actually takes care of its people like it’s supposed to. That inherently necessitates it having authority.
That’s not what the theory of communism aims for, but you do you.
Edit: to go in a bit more details, anarchism doesn’t deny all authority, just authority gained by and used for coercion. A doctor would still have authority to recommend treatments, since they are more knowledgeable, for example. So that uncorrupted and caring government you want is simply a form of anarchism
Either you’re thinking of something else or you should go update Wikipedia then, because that’s where I got that description from.
That description does not contradict my words. It says about abolishing coercion and hierarchy, not authority
Edit: I re-read your reply. Yes, the part about being “against all forms of authority” is not entirely accurate, but the second part is true nonetheless. I suppose you could rephrase my example with the doctor and call it an “expertise” instead of authority, but the concept of it is people would still defer to specialists in specific fields that have more knowledge and experience than them.
It’s extremely telling that you are relying on Wikipedia for your understanding of Communism, rather than Marx, Engels, etc. You should read theory, if you want to start I made an introductory Marxist reading list.
i like to think of anarchism as the educated brother to the miscarried libertarian-ism.
It’s harsh, but i’ve never seen a libertarian make a good point, or understand anything remotely relevant to government, so.
I think anarchy, by the very nature of it’s existence is more suited to handle the challenges presented by no government existing, notably, a new government being created. Because anarchy is most often following a government collapse, and followed by a new government being created.
It’s important to distinguish anarchy and anomie. The latter is the government collapse you mentioned, accompanied with lawlessness and lack of morals, while the former is simply lack of central overseeing authority (archism), for one reason or another.
The long term goal of anarchism is not destroying all governmental structures in one fell swoop, but rather gradually building communities based on liberty, solidarity and mutual help that don’t require hierarchy or coercion to function.
Then those communities naturally take over governmental functions like protecting the people, the central government dissolves when it is no longer needed and the process doesn’t harm anyone. No “new government” is created nor is necessary.
In terms of relationship between anarchism and libertarianism, I like to think of anarchists as a subset of libertarianists (since we all oppose authoritarianism fundamentally). I’ll admit I’m not as familiar with other libertarian ideologies.
You can still appreciate Karl Marx’s Manifesto without endorsing the Soviet Union or China.
Sure, in the same way I appreciate Kant or Kierkegaard or any other modernist - as foundational thinkers who laid the groundwork for more contemporary ideas. The entire issue is that so many internet leftists take Marx as dogma, and are often poor students of philosophy outside of that very narrow context, yet will lecture you about how you only disagree with them because you haven’t read enough year one polisci material. ML spaces are as dunning Kruger as the internet gets.
All of these spaces are permeated with foreign actors. Not all users, but I know a percentage of the users statistically have to be across all the large instances. I’m in tech and we’ve seen fake users appear in public Slack and Discord channels, try to schedule job interviews (it’s happened before), etc. The forces these governments have in tech behind the scenes is enormous, and there is no way to truly know who is and isn’t a state actor on the web.
We need more critical thinking. More separation of person from ideas. People get too hung up on figures.
Except on .ml that “critical thinking” you’re talking about is western anti Bolshevik propaganda to them and you’ll be banned.
That’s the problem with .ml, you just get banned.
Nothing about a dictatorship is public ownership.
*ism is just a tool for any aspiring autocrat. Stalin would have been far-right if he saw it as being a valid pathway towards power.
Effective tyrants are forever pragmatic and never burdened by ideological loyalty.
Yes that’s why I stated Stalin, Putin, and the CCP are ideologically opposed to socialism/communism. People who enjoy socialist concepts should be opposed to Lemmy.ml, not see common grounds with them.
Sounds like you might like anarchism
I do have some anarchist tendencies.
we do a little bit of dbzer0ing
So true bestie
never speak
Developer: makes platform
End User: “Fuck you.”
Tale as old as time.
But unlike Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page, the good folks at .ml did nothing wrong.
Stop with the sensationalism
Genocide apologia is ‘nothing wrong’ to you, I see. Unsurprising.
It’s UnderpantsWeevil, our very own local .world tankie
I have never seen .ml people engage in genocide apologia. They’re fond of authoritarian governments which I find distasteful, but they aren’t pro-genocide.
Drag has seen many .mls say “Democrats are Republicans are exactly the same.”
The difference between Harris 2024 vs Trump 2024 is one genocide vs three. That’s millions of lives.
Drag has seen many .mls deny the loss of millions of Palestinian, Ukrainian, and transgender lives to push their agenda.
Genocide denial is wrong.
Go ask about the Uyghurs in China over there and get back to me
A while back they were calling for the total destruction of France
Ask them about the Uyghur genocide or the ongoing genocide of Ukrainians or the Holodomor or the deportation of the Crimean Tatars or etc etc etc etc
I wonder why Lemmy is losing active users 🤔
Instant judging based on first impression.
I can’t tell you how many conversations start with:
“LET ME GUESS…”
That and the constant holier-than-thou one-upping(which has admittedly gotten a teensy bit better, but only a little).
At this point Lemmy instances is just astrology for Linux users
You aren’t that wrong honestly
Well, if literally everyone I’ve tried to get to sign up but it didn’t take are to be believed, it’s the tankies. I try to explain they can use keywords to at least limit it but by then they’re mad about me “hanging out at a nazi bar” and explaining “no they’re really more Nazbols” somehow just isn’t helping my case. Even when they give it a second shot (rare) they quit when they figure out “rule 2 be nice” means “you can’t say anything we don’t like even if you’re nice and we’re going to be insufferable cunts with impunity because our admins are hypocrites that back us.”
Looool xDDD
love me a classic .ml worthless posting, it’s my favorite.
relatable
Looks at username
Wait a minute…
worth .003$ vs a hexbear user
This is even less than a Schrutebuck.
oh I’d rather have a schrutebuck 100%
Like comparing the Ruble to the North Korean Won LMAO
Pffft North Korea ain’t Won shit! (Sorry I see a pun I make a pun.)
hmm, I wonder why .ml dislikes .world so much. It couldn’t possibly have to do with us shitting on them so much.
hmm, I wonder why many other instances dislikes .ml so much. It couldn’t possibly have to do with them praising and spreading the propaganda of authoritarian governments so much.
As a user of neither, I’ve only been banned from one of them for making fun of government leaders
i’m blanket banned from .ml presumably over genocide debate, and i’ve been clocked on my instance a few times as well.
Though only for a week each time, so that’s interesting.
Don’t leave us hanging why did .world ban you?!
It’s because they can’t delete posts on .world
Reposting my comment from the last .world feud post
Couldn’t care less about lemmy.world. This post has the same energy as people in comment sections publicly announcing they are blocking someone.
Do what you want. No one cares.
If it’s an hour that ends in o’clock, there’s someone on .world screaming about the dang leftists ruining the website.
The only leftists I will recognize are liberals
You and your fellow tankies are “authoritarian leftists” and are JUST as bad as the right wing
So yea, leftists are ruining the site, the tankie authoritarian leftists
Posted from Elgin Air Force base
*Eglin
And this is a reference to?
Most addicted city (over 100k visits total) Eglin Air Force Base, when I see someone going out of their way to be a cop about communists on the Internet it just makes me think you must get paid to be one IRL and just can’t shut it off.
… do you really think that the US Air Force is worried about communists on the internet? lmao
I guess it wouldn’t be tankieism without a good persecution fetish, lol. Just like the fundies.
Ah, yea no. I have no problems with the idea of communism and like socialism.
However, the “communism” you and your fellow tankies love to spread, is authoritarianism/dictatorship with a communism mask like the CCP or Russia. Along with racism, bigotry and transphobia sprinkled in.
Along with racism, bigotry and transphobia sprinkled in.
Bold words, but I run into way more bigotry and racism while/after posting on .world vs posting in .ml spaces.
Nutomic is a shithead for failing to address his transphobia, if he ever posts in /c/transgender I’ll ban him myself.
authoritarianism/dictatorship with a communism mask like the CCP or Russia.
Russia is not pretending to be communist, wtf are you on? do you mean USSR? if anything I’ve run into way more cutting critiques of existing/historical socialist states among actual communists in these spaces as opposed to carnival barkers with a tenuous grasp on history.
The racism allegations also kind of sound like projection in this context considering on of the main controversies I’ve seen about bans here are for banning people being weirdly racist and choosing to die on the hill of depicting the president of China as a yellow cartoon animal.
leftists
Tankies
FIFY
You obviously care lmao
Mostly of being constantly bombarded with .ml harassment instead of useful, funny, or interesting content.
Funny enough, that’s the message of the original scene too. “I don’t think about you at all” is a blatant lie, lmao.
- Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
- Why don’t you just block the instance
In my experience, the mods on lemmy.ml are particularly biased. Like it’s okay to joke about American school shootings but not about abortions biased. But after a while I just stopped posting there. (I barely post to lemmy at all now, but that’s another story.)
I’m pretty sure making jokes about shootings is worse that jokes about abortions.
Honestly they are both inappropriate
Reasonable people can disagree about the rules, the point is the mods are inconsistent.
(But seriously, do you really want to say one is worse than the other?)
Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
Extending an invitation to peruse [email protected] for some context of mod behavior
The mods of that community are communists. They seem to mod in good faith but keep that in mind.
I choose not to block the instance because there is a very small group on there that have non-political discussions that I enjoy, same with hexbear.
I also don’t like creating an echo chamber where all I hear is what I want to hear. Hearing from the other side, as disgusting as their viewpoints can be, at least let’s me know how they think.
the other side
Kremlin propaganda isn’t the other side
Yet propaganda is what has the US where we are today. If you understand the propaganda, you can help push back.
Yes, like pushing back against lemmy.ml
I don’t agree with their tankie views, but it does force me to see other views. However I usually just eyeroll and move on.
If I see racism or hate though that’s an immediate block.
Agreed, if it’s targeted like that, you get a block.
I like this view, because I have zero idea what I just walked in on. This account is just 16 days old and I’m just here to chat non-politics and doomscroll. And by 16 days old I mean like 4 because their acceptance email got sent to spam and I didn’t notice it until then.
Tbh, I had no idea there were even factions or drama among the instances.
I started on .ml, and left after a couple months when I realized I was the only person on the instance who wasn’t a tanky fully committed to arguing with every post I see. They seem to have toned down a bit after getting defederated a couple times, but there are a lot of extremists on that instance, and they’re very loud. I felt like I was in a Chinese political re-education camp half the time.
You should make an account on another instance, if you don’t like the heavy hand of defederation of .world, lemmy.sdf.org is a good one and sh.itjust.works is another
There’s also this community if you want to see for yourself the kind of behavior the admins and mods of .ml support, encourage and even participate in [email protected]
Honestly, that’s what I’m currently doing. I’ve always chuckled at the cleverness of the name sh.itjust.works. I started on .world, but I forgot to migrate my 2fa because I switched from Google Authenticator to an open source one on a new phone and didn’t take my lemmy token for some damn reason.
I’m only switching because I’m a neutral entity online when it comes to politics and identity. I use the internet to escape that, not dive into it. I don’t mind seeing it, I just move along and let people be people. I’d rather not be potentially tied to an image or faction by association; its nothing against .ml or anything.
Lemmy.ml admins will delete anything that doesn’t support China or Russia, and they’ll also delete anything that speaks positively of Western countries or concepts. Then they’ll purge the logs so that there’s no evidence that they’re censoring basically everything.
Their mods behave like Russian commissars. Their users go along with it.
Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
The admins and mods cultivate a community of genocide denial and authoritarian apologism, which many users on the instance then buy into.
Why don’t you just block the instance
Instance blocking only blocks communities, not users, who still show up whenever there’s a Chinese genocide to deny or a Russian atrocity to “WHATABOUT”, or a non-Western aligned dictator to “BOTHSIDES”.
When I accidentally blocked an instance, any comment from a user on that instance would be replaced by a message like “you have blocked this instance and so will not see this comment.” I don’t know if that’s a feature of my client, Connect, or of lemmy itself.
Should be your client.
Damn I’m jealous of your client! That’s a new feature to me!
Enjoy! At least if you’re on Android. I don’t know if an iOS version exists.
You are forgetting the strong hatred for France.
Lemmy.ml is admin’d and moderated mostly by Marxists, and the liberal side of Lemmy is hostile to that. That’s the principle contradiction, everything else stems from that core issue.
fedia.io doesn’t support blocking, unfortunately 😭
- Lots of toxicity and bad takes.
- It isn’t literally the entire instance.
It isn’t literally the entire instance.
Maybe not, but when the admins and mods are part of the problem, it becomes pervasive.
In my experience it is pretty much the entire instance. All the sane people moved to other places.
Yeah, Hexbear is the worst. I would say exploding heads, but they’re gone now.
The ml in lemmy ml means marxism-leninism, it’s maintained by the lemmy devs so it has lots of “normal” users too. Some people associate lemmy.ml with “tankie” viewpoints.
I wouldn’t have a problem with if it wasn’t for the mods
The ml stands for Mali, which is the country the instance domain is registered to. The Marxist-Leninist connection is a happy coincidence for them.
Lemmy devs are tankies, especially the main maintainer
At least they’re more level headed than Nutomic is.
Nutonic is literally a transphobe who is on record as saying that trans rights are western degeneracy
I wonder what Blahaj thinks of him
Hexbear isn’t fond of Nutomic either.
The ml in lemmy ml means marxism-leninism
It means Mali and was chosen because it was cheap/free
chosen because it was cheap
Um nah, there are a LOT of cheap ass TLDs, hell even .com TLDs are only $10-20 a YEAR
It might not actually mean marxism-leninism (then again, who the hell knows, we have .zip TLDs now ffs), but it sure does to the .ml admins
Back 3y ago the users claimed it did mean marxist-leninist (or rather if we must be pedantic, that the TLD does mean Mali but they chose it because it meant marxist-leninist to them.) They stopped around the time of the exodus (read: they put on a mask to trap unsuspecting redditors) and they’ve ramped back up since everyone defederated hex and grad (my guess, those users created .ml alts specifically to proselytize to the unwilling like Evangelical roaches once their supply to feed their victim complex dried up.)
History for posterity’s sake.
You’re both right!
It is Mali’s domain, and Marxist-Leninists choose that domain to work out of because of the initialism.
Kinda like why BIOT’s domain is so popular with the tech folks.
And Tuvalu’s domain is popular with streaming sites
Your comment has been removed for including carnist hate words. We don’t use words that glorify murder like the “b” word.
Huh
They’re making a shitty “HAHA VEGANS DUMB” joke like it’s 2010.
Nah, one of my kids are vegetarian and I cook to support them. I have no issues with vegans. I see how it came across that way though.
I suspect you must have missed the .ml vegan community drama a couple months ago. Take every bad stereotype about vegans and ramp it to 11. Everything was in bad faith. It bled into a couple different communities.
Ah makes sense, gotta put the /s when making references like that
That would have been better in hindsight.
Ohhhhh I actually did miss that completely, my bad.
When lemmy.ml answer detected:
I like to get them going. I respond with “that’s BS” or “prove it” and they give me a essay
More energy efficient GPT?
i joined .ml as it was the first instance i come across when trying lemmy out. Iv heard the admins are tankies but to be honest i dont actually know what a tankie is. i just use lemmy to look at memes and follow foss communities. i try to block all political stuff as i want to enjoy my exprience and stay ignorant to the politics here.
Why tho? I’m having trouble figuring out the differences in instances
The lemmy.ml instance is known to have admins, mods and users that spread the promotion, praise and propaganda of dictatorships and other authoritarian governments, bigotry, racism and transphobia. Even when there are hard facts against them.
You get banned for stating things like “Russia invaded Ukraine”
Ooh hard facts? I love hard facts! Which hard facts are you talking about?
Username checks out
How about China is, in fact, a dictatorship for starters. The Communist in “Chinese Communist Party” is just there for show.
How about China is, in fact, a dictatorship for starters
That could be true. But I wonder, in general, what is the process for determining whether a country is a dictatorship or not, from the outside? China claims to be a democracy and holds elections, like just about every other country under the sun. Of course, not every country with elections is actually a democracy, but if we’re talking “hard facts” I think we need to be able to point to specific, objective things.
The Communist in “Chinese Communist Party” is just there for show.
Isn’t the Chinese Communist Party the single largest self-identifying communist party in the world? Shouldn’t that factor in, like, at least a little bit into our standards for what defines a communist party? Regardless, this is kind of just your subjective opinion, isn’t it? Again, what specific, objective standards are you looking at to distinguish between “real” communism and “fake” communism?
China is a capitalistic country with a state guidance in their industrial policy and a dictator in the helm.
They don’t really even have anything in regards to a national health care.
Allowing a fascist to become dictator of the USA will get millions more people genocided than voting for a liberal.
Telling the truth about a liberal, when that truth contains a call to action not to vote against fascism, will get millions more people genocided than shutting up about a liberal.
millions more people genocided
That’s quite a claim. If the US is set to genocide millions of people, then as people at risk of being victims of that, surely we should be treating the US government as the primary threat to our safety, correct?
Lemmy.ml is admin’d and moderated by mostly Marxists. That’s the principle reason, everything else stems from hostility towards Marxism and Marxists.
I love these posts because they let me find out which .world users desperately need to be added to my block list.
Lol, ig “egocentric” should be part of the official tankie toolkit, and yes you were tagged a tankie a long time ago.
These posts aren’t for you, they’re for swaying sane .ml users to leave, showing the true colors of .ml to newbies as quickly as possible and to hopefully encourage non-.ml users to avoid posting and commenting on .ml communities
For me posts like this just make me embarrassed to be on Lemmy in general. It’s like making a post about how you get upset when you get an email from a Gmail account.
And look at the responses you get for pointing out that everyone else is acting immature in here too. Yeah Lemmy is an embarrassment.
Yeah. Lemmy was a good idea but I don’t think it’s user base will ever be good enough to make this a pleasant place for good communities to thrive. And it’s not because of tankies or liberals, it’s because of assholes.
Replace Lemmy with the Internet.
👋 Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
What have I done to you that makes you want me to leave?
You made a comment that you’re ashamed of the platform. If that’s the case, I encourage you to seek out one more suitable.
No I said this post made me embarrassed to be here. The instance fighting is one of the worst aspects of this site.
Okay, if you feel embarrassed do something about it. No one’s going to stop arguing just because you feel embarrassed. Furthermore, the reason people are bashing people on ml is because their collective behavior has been atrocious. Here’s some things you could try:
- Advocate for a culture of better inter-instance conduct between ml and other platforms (this will likely get you ridiculed and if it ever works, it won’t be soon.)
- Get on an instance that isn’t as hostile (highly recommended)
- Leave the platform (this will produce the most immediate and thorough results)
Assuming this to be a working strategy (and not a way of swaying new users out of Lemmy in general), what’s the endgame? If everyone you deem “sane” leaves the place, it will just be even worse, a concentrated “tankie” circlejerk, visible to plenty of newbies. Then what?
it will just be even worse, a concentrated “tankie” circlejerk
It’s already a tankie circle jerk over there, you can’t concentrate what’s already concentrated.
visible to plenty of newbies. Then what?
Visible yes, but its a LOT easier to say “Oh yea that’s the tankie instance, they’re small so just block it and move on” rather than
“Oh yea that’s the tankie instance, but they’re also one of the biggest instances, so if you block them you’ll be cutting off a decent chunk of non-tankie content”
So many stories of “I signed up on .ml because it was one of the biggest, then I realized it was full of Tankies and signed up elsewhere” and if there’s stories of that, there’s probably many more where the person just left and never came back because what they saw was a place was full of toxic tankies
anything you say officer 🫡
