(FYI - the article that the guy is replying to is misinformation. Two commenters have provided snopes links for anyone curious.)
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The term “concentration camps” usually doesn’t refer to places people volunteer to go to. The headline’s clickbait enough as it is.
Love how people actually believe that RFK’s labor camp plan is voluntary, just because he said “where you can choose to go”.
4 years of hearing Trump and his cohorts lie about literally everything, and you’re ready for another 4 of giving them the benefit of a doubt. Truly breathtaking naïveté.
So what you’re saying is that the reality isn’t bad enough so we need to make shit up and exaggerate everything? Because I disagree with that. I think things are bad enough that you can just be truthful about it, and lying is actually counterproductive because it discredits legitimate criticism.
Like if you want to talk about concentration camps, we’ve already got them for undocumented migrants.
Camps like this already exist for kids and teenagers, the best example is the Elan school. Though they have been having increased pushback this could be a way to keep them running by including adults. Basically nobody should trust this idea on the base concept, since even if RFK Jr is legit trying to do a good thing with ernest sincerity he is still putting things in place to enable such abuse.
Also even if it starts out voluntary I garunfuckentee it will be involuntary via court order eventually. It will most likely start as a addict rehab but quickly evolve into a place to shove mentally ill folks into.
OK, but a news article describing what “RFK says” should not say that he says he wants concentration camps when that’s not at all what he said. You’re free to speculate about what his real intentions might be, but the news has a responsibility to report what he actually said, not their personal opinion of what it might eventually turn into.
Saying that he said he wants “labor camps” is already taking some wild creative liberties. Like, if I rent a cabin in a campsite and bring my laptop to do some work while I’m out there, is that a “labor camp?” I’m at a camp and I’m doing labor, I guess. But to say that he explicitly called for “concentration camps” is just an outright lie. And it’s absolutely wild to me that anyone would want the news to lie to them! You’re asking for the press to be more sensationalist, and judging by the downvotes, that’s just majority opinion here.
Some of us actually take the risks seriously and need to have accurate threat modelling. I have no patience for this game of making stuff up to get mad about.
Fair enough, hence why I outlined my actual threat modeling. This shit historically has a pretty straightforward progression.
I said nothing about concentration camps on purpose as well for just that reason. But yeah I wont take Captain Brain worm on his word, at best he is honest and just ignorant to what will happen with them at worst he is lying.
Anyways I was just pointing out that we really shouldn’t take him at his word. That doesnt mean taking active action, it just means dont believe him. Though I do agree that folks calling it a concentration camp are risking watering down the actual issues that will most likely arise, after all if all their doing is waterboarding folks when you expect gas chambers it makes it seem less horrific.
Yeah “choose to go” is a euphemism for “parents can decide to send their children against their will”
Good luck managing us.
Like herding catgirls.
Lol my company’s entire development department will be gone.
That article is kinda garbage. Here’s its source material: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/rfk-jr-wants-to-send-people-on-antidepressants-to-government-wellness-farms/
I don’t particularly like or care very much about RFK, but… uh, I didn’t hear him say anything about “sending people to farms/camps/etc.” I would be concerned about the literacy and/or comprehension skills of OP and the commenters insisting this to be the case if I didn’t already know it’s just partisan hackery.
“farms”, like the one they sent Rover to.
On the farms, he said, residents would grow their own organic food—which would help them recover from addiction,
These people are going to starve to death. It’s difficult enough to farm when you want to farm.
Yeah, this is literally a page out of Mao’s Great Leap Forward.
cambodian year zero, more like. depending on how dedicated they’ll be
Maybe they just need… motivation.
Don’t worry, they’ll have all the most advanced GMO crops, pesticides, and fertilizer. The plants will grow no matter what you do. Whether you want to eat them or not is an open question.
I mean, it’s RFK Jr. I doubt he would even be able to identify real organic fertilizers anyway. If he were to inspect a site and see fertilizers, even organic fertilizer in bags, he’s probably tell them to throw it and just just rely on the unamended soil. He would then go home and eat over priced Whole Foods produce that may or may not be honest about the organic label.
I highly doubt RFK Jr. is in favor of GMOs.
I’m pretty sure this is just a farm labor program to replace the migrants they’re deporting. So he isn’t really going to have a say.
Not exactly. My ADHD has only one good use… I am amazing at dealing with worst case scenarios and in fact thrive in them. I will always find a way to do something, survive and enjoy it. I had more fun in Japan when I was broke after I lost my scholarship than I was before I did. I rode a busted old bike with flat tires everywhere, I found ways to scrounge for food, I survived odd of a bag of flour and snuck my mom into my dorm. I have no interest in normal day to day easy life. Put me in the wilderness and make me kill my food.
One or two people would be doing all the work while the others would be complaining the whole time.
They missed it because they were already taking liberties on what was actually said.
To be clear, I wouldn’t put it past him to do that, but that isn’t actually what he said.
Once the farms are built I wonder how long they’ll stay voluntary. He’s taking baby steps to a massive slave labor industry
TL;DR: voluntary “rehabilitation wellness farms”
Yeah sorry should have been more clear I suppose. The narrative they’re trying to perpetuate is that nobody is ill and all of the prescription drugs are unnecessary, and that all the people taking medication for their illnesses really just want to be off of it but have no ability.
Realistically, yeah he’s going to build the camps, and then it’s a very short hop skip and a jump to court orders putting people there.
To be honest they should just do an opinion piece saying exactly what we know he’s going to do. We don’t need him to pretend that’s exactly what he said.
This is a pretty cool example of media bias distorting facts in order to cause kind of a Shiri’s Scissor scenario in the reader based on where they get their news. Liberal source gives an inaccurate, more interpretive story based on what is already known about the parties involved. I’d wager a more conservative source would just give a direct statement of what RFK said here, which sounds fairly reasonable if you have no bias against the man and his team. Discussing this point becomes incredibly controversial between the groups because we have opposing interpretations of the same event, and it’s difficult to come to any understanding without breaking many things down into smaller parts.
All this is to say I agree, it should have been an opinion piece. It’s dishonest as it is now and would only cause friction, confusion, and raised hackles. We know how troubled teen camps fail kids, and what happens when bad people have power over vulnerable people. The writing is on the wall, but it’s not clear for all of us. Be less inflammatory and more informative, is what I think news should be.
Repeating what is said and not interpreting what is meant is how they came to power.
Well, that and lying about what the other side is saying…
With that many farms youre gonna need alot of showers. I know I can focus really good after a quick shower.
Man who frequently lies is misquoted in a way that is more in line with what he probably meant based on previous statements and actions.
I’m not surprised.
“I’m going to make it so people can go, if you’re convicted of a drug offense, or if you have a drug problem, you can go to one of these places for free.”
Honestly if people can find happiness by getting away from modern society and living a bucolic lifestyle, I’m all for it.
Relying on a prescription medication is not a drug problem
Fascists don’t use language to convey meaning or truth, they use it as a weapon to manipulate. It’s on purpose that they muddy the meaning of words and won’t define terms even in legal bills so their judges can use the worst interpretation of the broad, vague law like the anti lgbtq law in Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_anti-LGBT_law
It’s the same way they try to count legal immigrants in the US under asylum as illegal criminals and won’t define words like woke unless required by a court.
That has to be the most charitable interpretation possible of the incoming fascist government’s intent. It’s literally just slave labour with extra steps.
If it’s voluntary it’s not slave labor.
If you actually believe what the worm brain is saying, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
The implication is they’re farm labor camps, so less living with nature and more picking cotton in the sun all day.
This is to replace Migrant workers when they kick the Mexicans out.
Yes but slaves who pick cotton learn valuable, marketable skills!
(big fuckin /s just in case)
Like the prison slaves who fight fires in California but are denied firefighting jobs once they are released?
I saw your sarcasm tag but I just couldn’t help myself.
Jesus Christ, I had just repressed that memory
Less picking cotton all day and more fruits and grapes. Or other crops that are still tended by hand, generally by undocumented immigrants.
He’s in the closet about his own mental health issues, one of which is likely him being ADHD AF.
So like the closeted gay politicians being the harshest proponents of things like conversion therapies, anti-lgbtq views and legislation, the closeted mental-health-problem asshole is anti-actual-medical-treatment of everything, like anti-vax, anti-adderall, etc.
I’ve actually read about this. Maybe we shouldn’t be sending neurodivergent people into camps?
Wouldn’t this include Musk ?
No no no he’s microdosing LSD it’s different and cool
and Trump.
Trump has actually been pictured at his desk, forgetting to hide his stimulant medications
No exceptions.
Just imagine some insane takeover by RFK hahahhaha
He’s on a crusade to get rid of anything with more than one ingredient, including people.
he should start with himself.
he’s at least .01% worm and 99.99% shit.
Of course not, only people on this side of the legal system
We are already in the concentration camp for irrepressible oligarchs, its called Earth. We are the grease trap for souls in the Universe and all the shitheads congealing on this planet enables the alien races to remain pure from the constant drag and grind of fostering chuds among them.
If this was true it would at leave give me some semblance of peace while I await my merciful end.
Then why haven’t they rescued the non-selfish people who were born here? Even the worst asylums review to see if people still need to be there.
I think we’re just ballast to keep the chuds from sinking into the oblivion of their own dark hearts but at this point they’ve overgrown our ability to contain them and now we need to let them destroy everything in order to educate themselves.
White blood cells overwhelmed by the pathogen
Bro taking out Cheryl Hines?
I used to think so highly of her before I found out
Yeah you can thank all the non diagnosed & non needing taking medication for diagnosed & needing, for that.
Fuck you, I actually need it and y’all cause shortages globally. Fuck You. “I perform so much better” No actualmy I barely compete WITH and its a fucking battle all day long. From putting my socks on to actually make a wage. Fuck You.
My body my choice to put what drugs i want in me right?
Oh wait, democrats don’t believe in bodily autonomy.
most 👏 addicts 👏 have 👏 adhd
No fuck YOU for throwing addicts under the bus as if that’s not a legit medical problem. Show me one source that says the cause of the shortage is people “not needing taking”.
If you’re wondering, 5 percent of white college students adds up to about 3.75 million people who aren’t necessarily addicts and are effectively wasting supply of the drug.
Wasting? Sure. Causing a supply shortage? No.
You don’t think nearly 4 million extra users are going to hurt supply?
It’s mainly because of a manufacturing issue. Increased demand is certainly a factor but there is undeniably much less stimulant medication available than normal from manufacturers.
So there’s multiple factors. Including people wasting the supply.
The government actually limits how much each manufacturer is allowed to produce, that’s the actual cause of the shortage.
Oops, this is some misinformation, friend. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rfk-wellness-farms/
Exaggerated claims designed to provoke a reaction, even in humorous contexts like this, make it harder for us to perceive and react to actual dangerous threats that might come our way. And we’re definitely going to need to have an accurate and truthful view of the world in the coming days.
It’s a good joke, it’s a great joke even, but even so, we shouldn’t spread misinformation.
Tfw you say something and everyone hates it and then someone else comes by and says the same thing in a slightly different way and everyone likes it 😑
That’s on you, the .ml in your name means that everything you say is wrong even when you say the truth.
Learn how to lemmy /s
Its a difference in rhetoric. Yours is antagonistic and the others is measured and fair.
If it’s fake news (and it is) then I have every right to say, “Get this fucking bullshit off my feed” (my actual response was quite a bit more measured than that). I shouldn’t have to be like, “Haha! Oh that’s so funny, you’re really smart and clever! Oh, but, fyi, that’s kinda misinformation, just so you know!”
Would you rather listen to the blunt truth or to a friendly lie? If it’s the latter, then that ought to be called out as well as the original point - falling for a fake news story is entirely excusable, but being unwilling to listen to criticism unless it’s phrased nicely and defanged is not.
Shit like this is part of why I use term “Blue MAGA,” because you’ll find the exact same mentality over there. The facts don’t matter, if you don’t demonstrate you’re one of us, we’ll write you off anything you say. Critical thought means listening to criticism, even if it’s, “antagonistic.”
Well I was trying to be simplistic but since you typed so much, the reason your message isnt received well is because you assume Ill intent by the OP, while the one getting up votes makes no assumptions about intent.
Technically theirs is more accurate because they are acknowledging they can’t know the original intent, while you are arguing that its obvious what their intent is.
I said literally nothing about their intent in my comment whatsoever.
Yes its implied, evidenced by the people down voting you. Thats how rhetoric works. Same message, different delivery.
No, I implied nothing. The other person went out of their way to assuage people that just because they were calling out misinformation didn’t mean they’re not on their side - I just stated facts without making any indication about what I thought of OP’s intent. Loyalty and tribalism come before truth. People posting false information have to be reassured that you think they’re great before you correct them. It’s ridiculous.
This comment won’t age well.
As well as the average American.
“No no bro, it’s going to be totally voluntary, trust me, just watch as we offer it as an alternative to prison, and then criminalize things like ‘taking adderall’.”
So your prediction is that the Trump administration is going to be rounding up people on adderall and sending them to camps.
Yes or no — is this what you believe?
The Trump administration’s intention is to criminalize certain behavior with plausible deniability that amounts to nothing more than an excuse to put specific people on psychiatric meds whom they want to put in these proposed work camps, in work camps. While ‘labor’ or ‘profit’ might be involved, the essential function will be, if seen through successfully, simply to hurt those who they think they can, like all fascists.
Okay so I’ll rephrase my question. I would appreciate a YES or a NO response here.
Do you think the Trump administration is going to create work camps and pick people to send there against their will?
Yes, I certainly think they’re going to try, considering they’ve literally and explicitly stated they’re going to create work camps, the flurry of promises of revenge, of unlawful deportation, and their history with shipping US citizens off without regard for silly things like ‘law’, ‘precedent’, or ‘rights’.
Do you think they’re not going to try literally exactly what they’ve said they’re going to do?
What an absolute asshole of a journalist you have to be to twist someone’s words like that.
Idk, I’m sure that many politicians aren’t advocating for LGBTQ youth to be “sent” to conversation camps.
I was posting more for the funny reply, rather than to share the original article, but I can put a note in the post body that the pictured quoted article is misinformation.
Thanks for adding the note! :)
The same RFK Jr. who credits heroin for his academic success.
Some people do actually initially start using opiates as a performance enhancer. Thats not really a crazy take. I know people with similar stories in the first months of their use, before the negatives started outweighing the positives.
So far all of the orange appointments are looking like videogame minibosses
Sign me up to be player one then so I can go full Wolfenstein on these Nazi assholes
I get the anger, but this idea wouldn’t be out of place in European countries like Netherlands and Portugal. Drug rehabilitation is a positive, left wing policy.
I bet they would get so much done.
