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    3 months ago

    actually you know what, if you can afford not to, please don’t. we really don’t need any more podcasts.

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        People also change, and someone may over the long haul become something you didn’t really expect out of them.

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            This.There exists a pipeline from somewhere on the left to the alt right. It is dangerous to think otherwise.

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          This was my dad. He was always right leaning but then Trump came along and he went die hard political full on Trumpet.

          He’s one of the smartest people I know and watching him get more involved and more and more angry was terrifying.

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            I’m sorry about your dad, truly.

            Someone posted this elsewhere, and I’m adding it for visibility because it’s an important watch for people in situations like yours:

            *The Brainwashing of My Dad on freevee, Pluto, Roku, and Prime].

            It helps to understand what’s happening, gives some support, and some tips to wean our elders out of right-wing extremism. It’s quite good and potentially helpful.

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      I’ve dated conservative women a few times, they definitely said things like “I don’t let that come into my relationships” and that never ended up being the fact. And goddamn it they all were REALLY into D/s dynamics. Albeit that’s a quality I typically find in a partner, but tbh they kinda excelled at playing the role phew.

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      I personality know two very liberal women who married right wing nutjobs, the first one was with a full MAGA guy and she thought she could change him.

      The other one thought that political differences didn’t matter in a romantic relationship (it did).

      Both ended up in divorce.

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        she thought she could change him

        Has this ever worked?! Like a single time in the history of our species?

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          My stepmom lived in one of the most liberal towns in Massachusetts, running a Montessori program before she and my Fox News watching dad got married. (We never actually talked about politics because they “had an agreement,” but I have to assume she was very liberal- probably not very left though)

          She started voting republican after a few years :(

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        Any of those topics that people who care more about society being polite than just tell you to avoid are ones that should be not just discussed but agreed on before making a relationship legally binding. Religion, money, politics. They are each too serious for “agree to disagree” to last long.

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      I tend to believe people don’t really change but they do tend to show their true colors eventually. However, some of us are not a great judge of character.

      Life is also complicated and messy.

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        Some of my best friends acted liberal until they hit 30 and suddenly they were Uber conservative. I’m less concerned with if they were really liberal before and more concerned with what they’re okay with now. No longer friends with any of them because these are basic morality concerns

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        I disagree. Some people do change. Learn new things, car accidents change your life, cancer changes your life, new job, …

        The only thing constant is change.

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      Depends on whether the study is from places likely to be subject to bias like the “conservative” group institute for family values that claims county level polling shows more democrats get divorced (despite conceding the accuracy of state level polling?), or more normal groups that have shown for a decade plus now that red states have higher divorce rates. Top five are:

      1. Nevada
      2. Oklahoma
      3. Wyoming
      4. Alabama
      5. Arkansas
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      There’s statistics about voting rates amongst single, married and divorced women in the USA. Married women are the most conservative mostly due to age skew) followed by the other two. I can’t remember if single or divorced leans more liberal but there’s a big gap

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      I don’t know what conclusion that would give. That they jump into marriage faster? That they’re willing to leave a bad situation?

      I don’t think low divorce rates necessarily correlates to happier people.

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    I think Trump is pissed about Taylor Swift, because all his young, Rogan listening, meathead voters are probably being pressured by their Swifty girlfriends into ditching Trump.

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      unfortunately most of them don’t have girlfriends. some of them never did. the party is relying on incels and divorced dads.

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        It’s not unfortunate. Girlfriends wouldn’t fix them, but they would do serious damage to girlfriends. They need to get their own shit together before dating

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        Don’t forget the old white boomer married men. They lived life on easy mode and simply can’t comprehend that the world has changed.

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          they’re not that different. most of them are the “i married young and i hate my wife” type anyway. being maidenless male insecurity and sexual frustrations are the driving force of fascism.

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    Sorry, I can’t relate to this kink. Not shaming, exactly, but I find divorce lawyers more attractive than this.

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      Some people have been married for longer than republicans have been open fascists.

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          My dad used to listen to NPR but somewhere along the way NPR got replaced with Rush and Drudge. Thankfully he died before our relationship could be ruined by Trump but I know he would have been and I know it would have broken us.

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            Thankfully he died before our relationship could be ruined by Trump but I know he would have been and I know it would have broken us.

            This is spot on. Mine is still alive (mom too) and Trump made me realize who they really are. It’s not pretty.

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      I always wondered that and I finally met not one, but TWO people who fit this criteria.

      The first person was married with kids, and she’s afraid to leave because she doesn’t know if she’s the primary breadwinner, and to divorce would mean she would struggle taking care of two kids by herself. The husband isn’t abusive (her comments), but he seems to want her to be a tradwife while also wanting her to work.

      The second person shared that she married her high school sweetheart. But she was already questioning things when he spouted Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson BS, and would flip out at work on male coworkers and put words in our mouths. After a report, I learned about her marriage issues and providing support for the past few months. But all the workplace can do is give her some therapy sessions and hopes she gets the fuck out of her predicament.

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    People change. The old stereotype is that people tend to be very liberal in high school and college but become very conservative with a mortgage and a couple of kids. I don’t know how often that actually plays out but it makes sense.

    When you don’t have anything it’s easy to demand a lot of things from the government. When you have money you want to do everything you can to hold onto it and that means not paying taxes. It flips around again when people are super rich though: then they don’t mind paying taxes (because their effective tax rate is very low). It’s the middle class who get screwed the most.

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      My dad, after a discussion in my young adult years turned political: “if you’re not a liberal when you’re young, you don’t have a heart. If you’re not conservative when you’re an adult, you don’t have a brain.”

      Well, dad, I have made it to adulthood with brilliant children and great relationships with them to boot. I’m still a screaming liberal and you’re still a racist that is gargling the balls of a wannabe dictator.

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      As someone middle class I’d really like a functioning government more than the amount I’m taxed.

      Also republicans don’t lower my taxes, they raise them and decrease funding for the poor then go on a rant about divorce needing to be banned

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      Have a mortgage and a kid, more left now than I ever was in my past. While recognizing that not everyone wants those things, my living standard really should be the baseline and I don’t mind paying taxes to make it easier for others to achieve it. It does piss me off that most of my taxes go to a military I don’t approve of though.

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        I’m in Canada so I have the opposite reaction re: the military. Our military is a joke and if the US ever walked away from NATO we would be totally screwed.

        Our government has been run by the Liberals since 2015. All they’ve done is destroyed the jobs market and put housing out of reach for ordinary people. Not a fan!

        I think if you want to be a socialist you need to acknowledge that sometimes the government will be grossly incompetent and/or corrupt. Frankly, this experience is what has pulled me to the right. I simply don’t have trust in unaccountable institutions anymore.

        Having said that, I think most of the damage to our society has been done by incompetent municipal governments which aren’t part of our party system anyway. They’ve squandered billions of dollars, been grifted by scam artist developers, and destroyed our communities with idiotic urban planning ideas that make livable neighbourhoods illegal.

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          I think if you want to be a socialist you need to acknowledge that sometimes the government will be grossly incompetent and/or corrupt. Frankly, this experience is what has pulled me to the right. I simply don’t have trust in unaccountable institutions anymore.

          You watched liberals do liberalism, blamed it on socialists and moved to the right? What on earth are you thinking?

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      I dunno, I’m the opposite, though without the kids I grew up in Christian cult hell but broke free as a teenager. Now at 45, looking back, the older I’ve grown the more socialist I’ve become.

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      On the contrary, during World War II, French prostitutes would purposely spread venereal disease to nazis. They would also get nazis hooked on heroin.

      Unfortunately, MAGAs tend to already have both those issues.