• snf@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      You can get that good, scurvy-busting vitamin C from meat just fine, all you have to do is eat it raw

  • solrize@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I looked him up and he is English. Weren’t English sailors called Limeys because of the lime juice in their rations, specifically for scurvy prevention? He should have signed up with the Admiralty instead of the pirates.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Funny enough…

      1. Yes.

      2. The lime juice was meant as a cheaper alternative to lemon juice. And it wasn’t very effective, lmao. National militaries and sabotaging the health of their troops to save a buck - name a more iconic duo.

      • Hotdog Salesman@programming.dev
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        2 months ago

        It was cheaper in the sense of they imported from limes from the Carribean and lemons from India, which with no Suez canal is a pretty big difference. And at the same time they invented steam power, shortening voyages so the reduced effectiveness wasn’t noticed until longer voyages due to newer military doctrines occurred again

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Well, the reduced effectiveness was noticed. It created significant uncertainty, funny enough, over the actual causes of scurvy, since apparently citrus fruit wasn’t enough, until more rigorous studies happened in the 20th century.

          • addictedtochaos@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            thats true, i took vitamin c like crazy when i was out of copper, it didnt do a thing. so i tried copper, was fine for a while, got worse again despite copper, then took vitamin c. went from looking like a corpse in looking merely a bit sick in 24 hours.

      • x4740N@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        “National militaries and sabotaging the health of their troops to save a buck - name a more iconic duo.”

        That literally sounds like america though

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          2 months ago

          It’s, sadly, applicable to most militaries throughout history and the modern day.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      As a man without scurvy, I can personally attest that not all men have scurvy

    • RavuAlHemio@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      He prevented WW3, fulfilling his traditionally masculine role as protector in a way many of us can only dream of. It sucks if that isn’t validation enough of his masculinity for him…

    • The25002@lemmings.world
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      2 months ago

      If the alternative is scurvy I’d rather just be a dude with a dick that likes vag that’s emasculate.

    • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      You see, like, wolves eat meat, and they are masc as fuck. You ever seen a gay wolf? Wait no don’t look tha- screaming in terror

      (signed, a gay af wolf <3)

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Not slow, just lucky to have not encountered such cretins. There is a very non-zero amount of men who believe that ‘traditional’ masculinity includes avoiding ‘feminine’ foods, including ‘rabbit food’ (ie anything green, leafy, or vaguely healthy). The meat-only diet is the natural extension of this line of thinking to the full caveman-stereotype conclusion.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    2 months ago

    Taking care of yourself is gay. “Real men” reduce their life expectancy by purposefully living an unhealthy lifestyle.

    • CynicRaven@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The whole man flu thing is also goofy because I’m pretty sure I’ve read men typically avoid going to the doctor for things they absolutely should be going to the doctor over. Then again, it’s my understanding that doctors will blow off things women tell them so it’s just an overall shitty state of affairs.

        • LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I literally don’t believe that about testosterone and pain, and yes I looked up studies and they are there, you are correct. I think it’s probably cognitive priming affecting results, the idea men should be more resistant to pain so they do so, similar to how IQ tests cause discrepancies (See: Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine).

          In my actual experience as a proDominatrix beating people, men with testosterone tolerate SIGNIFICANTLY less pain than estrogenized counterparts. And these are men in MMA and former military etc. They just can’t mentally handle agony the same for the most part. I don’t think they enjoy the sensate texture of pain like women subs do. Stuff that makes women moan and whimper makes men scream and yelp and jump back in shocked pain. And perhaps this has to do with cognitive priming relating to their perception of me; however I will say even pretransition subs follow this. A transwoman who has never taken hormones tolerates pain the same as a ciswoman in my experience. I think we force women to tolerate abuse automatically and they just tend to deal with it better, and enjoy playing with the sensation more. I also think women tend to be more skilled at empathy and tend to tolerate pain better when I’m feeling something strongly - I think they go on my emotional journey as a Domme to escape their emotional journey as a sub.

          Re: cognitive priming - Look at all the videos of period cramp simulators - men have been cognitively primed to quit earlier and do quit most of the time while women chill and pokerface.

          And I’ve had other Dom(mes) agree, including male Doms, about this. Women tolerate pain and violence more in real life settings, and also tend to request it more.

          Now there are two distinct parameters of pain tolerance and maybe that’s where the study is confusing itself, because I don’t see clarity between these definitions. One is pain sensitivity, how much pain you actually feel. There is a woman in the UK with a lot of natural anandamide* who isn’t senstive to pain at all - but if she feels equivalent pain to another person for some reason, it’s possible she cannot tolerate it the same. Tolerating pain is different than how much pain we actually feel, but science has a hard time measuring these things. Perhaps testosterone does indeed help “numb” people to pain, but I still think women tolerate or endure actual pain sensation better.

          Oh and PS cognitive priming is likely why men don’t go to the doctor as well

          • confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Excellent write up. I think there are different kinds of pain and we’d need to measure to account for that.

            When I’m at the BDSM club the women generally want and can take more pain. (Some guys are totally insane though.)

            When I’m in my gravel biking group it’s very much the opposite. The dudes will slide down 20 ft of gravel and their legs look like someone took a cheese grater to them. They have a laugh, hop back on the bike, and finish the ride with blood in their shoes. The ladies generally take a little spill and loose a little skin and they are crying and want help walking their bike back to the car. (Some chicks are hard as nails though.)

      • x4740N@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        I’m pretty sure I’ve read men typically avoid going to the doctor for things they absolutely should be going to the doctor over.

        Maybe we should be looking into the cause of this and rectifying the cause instead of just leaving it as some random thing and I mean actually look into the cause and not speculate based on bigoted or misinformed biases

    • Enkrod@feddit.org
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      2 months ago

      “Fuck yeah! My low testosterone, erectile dysfunction and abysmal fitness are just due to my 380 pound pure manliness!” - A “real” man

      • Fizz@lemmy.nz
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        2 months ago

        It must be because I’m not eating enough meat! I better eat even less vegetables and more meat!

      • ryannathans@aussie.zone
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        2 months ago

        Not only that but requirements for vitamin C plummet to virtually non existent when you stop eating carbs. It’s an area that is gaining increased scientific interest. A lot of people have been doing carnivore for 5-10 years now and show no signs of deficiency. High profile people like Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikayla come to mind