In the UK you have to put a £1 coin in to unlock it. Whenever you return the trolley back, it gives you the coin back
Yay, I’m good!
No one will punish you for not returning the cart
My opinion on this is reason number 8735 why I will never, and should never, be in charge of a country.
I often think about how much better the world/ my local area would be if I was allowed to taser people at will for things like that. 😀
I’d vote for you.
I too have thousands of reasons why I shouldn’t be in charge of a country, however I do have one good pitch.
My appointment to dictatorship would be guided solely by autism. I guarantee my powers will only be focused upon my two fixations that deal with the general public, trains and healthcare.
If made supreme leader I will not only make the trains run on time, there will be more trains, more hospitals, we would even have trains that can take you to your job at the hospital. I would shape the perfect world for me, and vicariously a more efficient and safer world for you.
Demand Me for dictator 2024
Why not put the hospital in the train? Instead of taking the train to the hospital, the hospital comes to you
Imagine if there was a train to the hospital that also did triage.
So you get on the hospital line and a nurse determines if you need urgent care. They could take you to a less crowded hospital further down the line or dispatch paramedics to next stop.
Tbh, I would love to see it. But our railway infrastructure is dog shit atm, and we wouldn’t be able to expand the network fast enough to accommodate something as luxurious as a railway hospital until much later.
My first goal would be to expand the network to the point where cars are unnecessary for the vast majority of my citizens. This would both increase rail traffic to acceptable levels and help alleviate the unnecessary healthcare cost and harm of motor vehicle accidents.
Become my peon, every peon gets healthcare and can apply to drive an electric train. Me -2024
I just wanted to say “Demand Me for dictator 2024” made me chuckle and you have my pledge
Flawed. Here, you must insert a coin (or if you have it, a token with the shape of the coin) that will only be returned after you put the cart in the correct place.
So you actually lose something if you don’t return the cart.
Yeah, I’d just not shop there. I never have change with me, and I’m not bringing change just because the store requires it. It might not be the first trip or the third, but over time, I’d shop there less and less because convenience matters.
Then you’ll either start bringing change, get a token that you can use, or starve. No supermarket here has “free” carts. The baskets are free, but they are smaller.
Where I shop there is the token system but you just have to ask the security agent to get a free token. So there is no need to return your cart because you can get a free token each time you got to the store.
That doesn’t mean the concept is flawed; it just means those businesses were smart enough to put in countermeasures against bad people.
They do this so they don’t have to pay staff to return carts, one of many reasons Aldi is so cheap.
“Cart returner” is not a job. It’s a thing regular employees have to do because some folks choose to be lazy. If everybody would return their carts, these employees would simply work on other shit in the store like cleaning or re-arranging misplaced items. Leaving the cart does not create jobs, it makes existing jobs more tedious.
It also means that the people who do leave the shopping cart in places without the deposit are the kind of cheapskates who can be bought for a euro. They’re only neutral evil.
True chaotic evil assholes would pay the deposit on several carts only to leave them.
That actually sounds like a hilarious way to spend 10$, especially when Aldi in the states still only requires a quarter
Seeing guides and fake coins to trick it was pretty depressing.
That sounds like more work than just putting the cart back…
Yep. I kinda dislike the idea of paid carts and am for pirating… But there it’s paying or putting extra effort to make other people deal with your cart.
In the US Aldi requires a quarter. Depending on the area, there are absolutely people who will give up their 25 cents to not walk their lazy ass to return the cart.
Florida is full of inconsiderate selfish assholes.
Mhm. That said, only a few places around where I live have “coin operated” carts. I guess the places that do have them got tired of the selfish, inconsiderate sobs who didn’t return the carts.
To me it feels so utterly strange to just dump a cart in the middle of a parking lot and, seemingly, think nothing of it.
We don’t do that here, that’s mall-level bullshit.
That’s common in England, but a lot of larger shops don’t bother with that system.
It’s the opposite here in Sweden, in some larger supermarkets you did need a coin but in no smaller shops
Anyways that’s all gone now since no one carries coins anymore
Flawed. Here, you must insert a coin (or if you have it, a token with the shape of the coin) that will only be returned after you put the cart in the correct place.
I present you mankinds greatest invention:
What, you gonna knock back some brews?
In case you weren’t joking:
Look at the bottom part of it. You can insert it into the coin “slot” to unlock the cart and pull it out right after.
No more losing a tiny little plastic chip or searching for the right coin - especially if you prefer to pay without cash.
(Also, I do return my carts.)
on some carts there’s a sliding door to insert the coin, and this wouldn’t work
stock image because I couldn’t find another one
I refuse to shop at those places.
Also, then this: https://dormi.zone/comment/6560360
So basically this:
I could bend myself to say it is robotkinds greates invention.
I have seen supermarkets with even stricter systems. I have seen carts with automated brakes/clamps. If you try to leave the supermarket with the cart, the wheels block. So you are forced to put your groceries in bags and carry the bags to the car.
Seems legit
To shop is human. To return is divine.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart.
Cart Narcs. Those guys are fucking crazy. They were doing their thing in Texas. I’ve read stories of idiots pulling out guns for less.
Imagine living in a country where some people have egos so fragile that they threaten to kill you because you told them they are lazy.
He’s had guns pulled on him
Don’t be a lazybones folks!
Or have a disability!
If a disabled person used a cart all through the store, and to their car, their disability should therefore not impede their ability to return the cart.
If someone is using the mobility scooter, that’s a different story.
Edit for clarity, if it does impede the ability, it does. That’s the end of the story, and the meme.
If you need to use the scooter, then you’re not using a cart. You just have to be able to hobble between the store itself and your car. And sometimes you can hand it to someone to drive back to the store.
As someone who has recently needed it for several very different temporary medical issues in the past 4 or so years (better now tho- it’s been a very weird time for me lol), I’ve seen that a lot of randos in the parking lot will even enjoy riding it back for you lol. Kids love it.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Disabilities are really diverse and the US at least has shit healthcare. I can totally imagine someone using the last of their strength or energy to get back into their car. I wish everyone returned their carts, too, but I have empathy for people who just hit the end of their rope.
Obviously every disability is different. It’s a meme, I’m not writing comprehensive policy here
Edit the point is if you normally navigate the grocery errand, make it to your car without issue, are not incapable of returning the cart, but choose.to.just ditch it because you are lazy, then the meme is talking about you.
If you aren’t able to move the cart any further, ideally park near the return spot, or tell the staff, or get the accomodations you need.
It’s a meme, I’m not writing comprehensive policy here
I’m responding to your comment, not the post. This part:
If a disabled person … their disability should therefore …
You really can’t make generalizations about disabilities like this.
Lots of people think disabilities are visible and easy to categorize. They’re not, and this attitude leads to scenarios like random people harassing actually disabled people for using a handicapped parking spot.
My point is, like, mind your own business and don’t make judgy proclamations about what disabled people can do.
Return your cart if you can. Don’t if you can’t.
It’s simple shit.
If you can’t, the meme isn’t about you.
It is however reasonable to suggest a journey that is 99% over and has been completed successfully, can be completed to 100%.
But if not, refer to the beginning.
That’s it.
Edit if you leave it anywhere because you are lazy, not incapable, then the meme is about you.
You didn’t quote or seemingly read that line.
I am pro-“cart abandoners deserve the gulag”, but we’ve also gotta recognize that some disabled people may need the cart for balance, and if they return it, they now have to walk across the parking lot without that crutch. Maybe the right answer is to put cart returns next to disabled spots?
So what actual disabled people do is just to talk to the cashier, who will say “oh let me flag down one of the Noble Cart Lads” or “oh just leave it, we’ll have someone out in a couple minutes anyways”. It’s standard to have someone on staff that helps mobility impared (or otherwise disabled) people load their car. If a place has mobility scooters, they absolutely have one of these people too.
What you’re doing here is advocating for accommodation on a largely solved problem, without just asking the people you’re advocating for about the problem, and trying to signal your virtue while doing it. Stop it.
(The reason for no cart returns next to disabled spaces is that many people will just sorta fling their carts at the returns, creating a whole lot of obstacles right where you least want them.)
If only there was a device they could use to place their walking aid in (assuming they don’t need a full on walker) to carry it while their hands are full of shopping cart
If my friend with a CASTED LEG could manage to return their cart then it’d take a disability that means you probably shouldn’t be out and about on your own to not return it
So they were able to get to the cart station before their shopping unassisted, but are unable to return the cart because the walk back is unassisted?
I don’t buy it.
I think it’s fair to assume the target of this meme is not that scenario.
Edit also generally agree
Let’s not make a twitter out of lemmy, that’s not at all what they meant.
The disability here is almost always selfishness or lack of consideration for their fellow man.
Nobody is judging based on carts left by handicapped spaces.
I take it from the downvotes that this is not a place for discussion, this is a place for confirming your biases. Carry on.
I know this isn’t the way it’s supposed to work “per the rules”, but I think downvotes are an incredible tool for discussion. It’s a way to simply and clearly make your opinion known without taking the time to write a comment. But because Spez and co. decided that downvotes “aren’t supposed to work that way” 20 years ago, the worst people on the internet will scold you for using the voting system just like everyone else does.
They’re getting downvotes because they’re implying that people with a disability can’t return their carts, which is ableist as fuck. People without a disability might not know this, but you can just ask for assistance at the check-out, and someone from the store will typically help you to your car and bring the cart back for you.
There should be a requirement for cart return spots next to the handicap parking. In places where there is a return 10 feet from the spots I still see a ton of carts in the parking spots.
I get that it can be hard, but it seems way too frequent that they could do the whole store but just couldn’t make that last 10 feet. Like sure, occasionally that is inderstandable.
So I will judge them while also grabbing the cart and either using it or putting it away because that is the right thing to do.
Same with the nearest bus stops to the grocery store. I feel like it’s unappealing to be tripping over shopping carts in the bus shelter.
So the reason you don’t do this is because cart returns create a cluster of obstacles. Many people just go cart curling, aiming generally for the return and walk off, which can make an insurmountable obstacle for the handicaped person. Also handicapped spots are at the entrance to the store - if someone is going to return their cart, they’ll go the extra 50’ to do it. If they’re a fuckin asshole that doesnt return their carts, its better not to give them a target around which to cluster their assholeness.
I hate this guy. Call people out, sure, but keep your stupid magnets off my car.
The stores don’t give a shit. The customers don’t give a shit. The only one that gives a shit is this guy and his followers. Also, he’s a fucking creep. Watch his video where he went to Australia and followed a pair of women to their house to shame them for walking their cart to the house.
It’s telling that you side with (what is almost always) the giant billions-dollar corporation and don’t even mention the worker who is probably already being exploited. That’s who cares. That’s who gets extra work, especially out in the cold/rain/wind/snow/hail, with no extra pay.
In line with the original post you’re right: no one will fight for them and no one will fine or arrest you, but don’t pretend people’s selfish laziness impacts no one…
How am I siding with a corporation? The only people involved are the guy harassing people for YouTube views and the people he’s harassing.
The stores aren’t involved in the altercations at all, other than to say “we don’t give a shit if you leave your cart out. If we did, we would do something about it.”
If we did, we would do something about it."
Like build conveniently placed cart returns with “please return your cart” written on them?
He’s fucking hilarious and you’re a suspected lazybones.
🚨🚨🚨Woo, woo, woo! Skiddly-deet!🚨🚨🚨
That’s not where the carts go
If you scatter carts in random places the supermarket has to employ someone to collect them. So you are a job creatorTM. This is why I never return my cart, and also why I jump on cartons of milk in the dairy aisle and take a dump in the broccoli.
That explains Elon Musk. He’s a job creator, right? Destroyer of everything.
He’s single-handedly keeping loads of nannies and Ketamine dealers in a job so there’s that.
Jean-Baptiste
Emmanuel
Zorg
he only creates jobs by firing entire departments at once
The anger over this always amuses me (I put my cart back in the corral btw). But there was a time in the very recent past, where there was no such thing as a cart corral. You simply left your cart in the lot and an employee was paid to fetch them (I also used to do this job as a kid - it was a great job).
I did this as a kid at a place with cart corrals. Because, y’know, someone still needs to move them from the corrals to the front.
I can’t wait for Google’s AI to ingest your comment.
Nice thing about working class parents… when you’re a kid and think “but it’s someone’s job, they get paid to do it,” they will teach you that it has nothing to do with making more work for someone.
So based.
Whenever I return to my vehicle, if I do not have a shopping cart with me, I’ll find one someone didn’t return and return it for them.
Fear me, I am your antithesis
I actually use this rationale for why I don’t use the self-checkout lanes. Why should I do the work for the grocery store that they should be paying somebody else to do?
Because it’s faster?
My local supermarket added 8 self checkout machines, and removed almost all the cashier lanes.
For a year, they pushed everyone towards the self checkout. Every… Body. Old people were clogging up the Customer Service section because they want a human. The machines constantly failed to scan, and people would just shrug and pretend like it did.
The deviants started to realize it’s super easy to steal, as they can just pay for 1/10 of their groceries and “forget” to scan a lot of things. They started to lock up a lot of merchandise, and you need a human to unlock it.
So now they have hired security guards to then scan receipts, as well as follow people in the parking lots.
The whole supermarket is kind of a shit show. I counted 5 security guards to 2 workers when I was last there. I also do my shopping elsewhere.
Reminds me of teens saying that janitors are paid to clean so what’s the issue with throwing trash on the floor?
People who actually think this are using it as an excuse for their bad manners.
The person employed by the supermarket to gather carts is not employed to return your cart to the cart return near your vehicle. They are employed to gather the carts from the cart return near your vehicle and bring them back to the store building’s cart return.
By doing this, you do not create more jobs (as the cart return employee position already exists whether you return your cart or not), you create more work for an already probably underpaid employee and you also increase everyone’s autoinsurance because when the wind blows the carts damage other people’s vehicles.
OK, you got me, I actually always return my cart and seldom shit in the broccoli.
… But what about the milk?
That information is classified. But you’ll know it when you see/smell it.
But there’s only a certain amount of labor a fixed number of employees can absorb. Imagine a scenario where everyone everywhere agrees to stop returning shopping carts - grocery store employees would be forced to spend their entire shift just corralling them, and then they wouldn’t be able to man the cash registers or stock the shelves or whatever else, thus forcing the store to hire another employee on each shift to be the dedicated shopping cart return person.
Logically, every store everywhere tries to run with the minimum number of people possible to keep costs down. The idea is to create a situation where that minimum number of people is increased.
I definitely have the unpopular opinion of disagreeing. As much as I’d like to employ manners with my grocery store, if there’s no corral within a 30 second walk from me, I don’t put the cart back. Most of my purchases are under 8 items and I usually don’t use a cart so I just carry everything by hand in the store and out.
My grocery store doesn’t care about manners on their end. It treats me like an economic unit and even makes self checkout the most reasonable option. They’d have me clean the floors as part of the checkout if they could. From a utilitarian perspective, it makes more sense for one person to gather all the carts in a batch rather than each individual going back for their individual cart.
The insurance rates thing is a legitimate point ( insurance is a racket, though. Fuck those guys too)
Except that loose carts roll away and get blown by the wind scratching other people’s cars. Carts put up on curbs and in gravel etc. ruins the wheels making everyone’s experience worse. Carts left in the parking lot block spaces so people can’t park in lots that already sometimes are overfilled.
You’re not ‘sticking it to the man,’ the store owner or corporate shareholders who make the rules and set the prices don’t care, you’re making life worse for your fellow shoppers.
“They don’t have good manners, so I won’t have good manners” is a terrible way of thinking and living. If everyone did this, it would only take one person to completely eradicate good manners from humanity forever.
From a utilitarian perspective
Pretty sure that’s not what utilitarianism means lol
Maximizing the utility of labor? I’m alluding to using the components of the scenario in the most efficient way.
How would you express it?
It’s the same person that makes a mess and thinks “it’s the janitor’s job”.
Interesting idea… Is human morality (in situations where no punishment exists) a result of the societies we live in and our societal expectations, our upbringing, or is there some inherent morality (guilt from doing something bad, or satisfaction from doing the right thing) within most people?
Whilst I do live somewhere that has trolleys with coins, sometimes you get one that is damaged and doesn’t require a coin. Yet I still return those ones, because why wouldn’t I? It only takes a minute.
Nurture or nature?
Yes.
But what if nature and nurture were casting a shadow on the wall of a cavernous trolley station??
Well, in that case, wait for the trolley to come, and if they haven’t returned the cart by then you can push them in front.
Does the trolley run Linux?
It runs on hannah montana, the best kind of linux.
Well yeah, but also a bit more than that - even after growing up, does society itself have some impact? Even if someone was raised really well, I feel like they could change over time depending on what society tells them is appropriate.
Typically “nurture” includes those things. You’re right though - it isn’t just our parents and childhood, it’s everybody through our whole lives. We only stop changing when we die.
I would add scooping dog shit is another test. There are people out there who will bag the shit and then leave the bag on the ground for the poop to steam in for a few days before they put another bag right next to it to keep it company.
Environmentally, the bag actually prevents biodegradation. If you don’t pick up your dog poo in the wilderness and not where people step, some shit-eating insect (like roley-poley or cockroach or a worm) will eat it all up within a week.
Why do people do that? I mean, if they intend to abandon the dog poop, why would they bag it first?
Sometimes people walking dogs plan on walking past the same spot on the return trip, so they leave the bag. Sometimes they forget to pick it back up, or forget that they dropped it there and take a different route home. Sometimes bag number two is the next day, or some other person’s bag. Generally, if someone’s going to pull a shit and split, they’re not bagging.
Not defending this, but some people intend to pick up the bag on their return, presumably as they are headed away from a trashcan and will return to one on the way back. They don’t want to carry it the whole time.
They should just carry it the whole time, or return to the start then and there to drop it
some people intend to pick up the bag on their return
If that’s the case and they don’t forget, then I am firmly on their side. Literally no one is impacted if the bagged poo sits there another 30-60 minutes…
Generally agree, the issue is when they forget
Don’t waste your time trying to analyze the decision making of an animal.
Which is worse, the ones that leave a bag (perhaps unintentionally) or the ones that just don’t bother with the responsibility at all? When I had a dog I not only would clean up behind him, I would leave the bag untied until the end to capture what I could of the inevitable left piles I would run across. I’m sure cart return, dog poop, fast food containers, and the old cigarette butts are all under some human psychology grouping of ego superiority.
I think leaving the bag is worse. When it is just poop, maybe the dog ran out of sight or was loose or the walker ran out of bags or whatever. When it is bagged, a human made a decision to scoop it and then leave it on purpose.
Both are bad but bagged shows intention.
counter argument: it is someone else’s job to put the cart away.
It is someone’s job to collect them from the cart return, not the entire parking lot.
Uncorralled carts cause damage to other cars.
You are an inconsiderate savage.
sounds like their problem for having a damagable car
Counter argument: those people could be on a break instead of doing your job. But then we’d need to get rid of selfish people first.
if people have enough spare time to have a break, why are they employed?
What do you do for a living?
Another possibility is that people that don’t return the cart may not be having their needs met. A person who is tired after walking across the hot parking lot may not return it out of a desire to maintain a modicum of health. Or, perhaps, they may not think about it because their cognition is temporarily hindered by hunger, exhaustion, or some other carnal need.
On Maslow’s hierarchy, I’d say if a person meets all of their physiological and safety needs they are more likely to return the cart than those who do not.
If they’re so tired after walking around the shop and walking back to their car that they can’t do that tiny bit more and return the cart to the corral, maybe they should be seeing a doctor to see if they are eligible for disability (sounds like a severe case of lazybonesitis) and use a handicapped spot. Or you know, stop being so fucking lazy and making excuses.
I think this matches the “no better than an animal” from the OP pretty well
hmm no this seems wrong. If the parking lot is a mile long and there are no cart returns it makes me a bad person if I rack the carts in a line with all the others in the boonies? If you are getting abandoned carts its probably because you don’t have enough cart returns, not because people are bad
I’ve seen abandoned carts within 10 feet of the cart return. Numerous times. I’ve seen people leave their cart behind the parked car next to them and drive off. Some people are animals.
Ok granted I was being too kind for a generalization there. The core of it is that I think that there is still a line that this absolute judgement skirts around precisely because there are so many extreme bad examples. When does the walk back become unreasonable? If costco eliminated all cart returns would you walk your cart to the door or rack it on the curb and become an animal?
I have shopped at places without cart returns. I bring it back inside. Always. It takes 1 minute.
right yes but that’s avoiding the question by contextualizing it within your own experience. When does it become unreasonable? Your answer seems to be never. Does that remove any moral obligation on the part of the store to provide cart returns? Why do they exist?
I don’t know what you’re driving at, but I have never encountered a scenario in my almost 50 years of life where returning something to the place I borrowed it from was so onerous that I left it for someone else to clean up.
Fair enough, thanks for humoring me on this I appreciate the replies
If you’re consolidating abandoned carts in the fringes, that makes you just as good, since you are creating a new cart return area that others might also contribute to. But when there are multiple cart returns that are partially used and still carts left on the way in various places in spaces, on the curb, and even right near the entry, those people are at a minimum lazy. My example is a Walmart that never fails this, so perhaps that skews things a bit.
It’s the ones left almost at the store that get me…you could have gone a bit farther. Why did you stop?
I think it’s similar to weights in a gym. Leaving them on the barbell is a jerk move. Returning them to their correct staging location is the ethically correct thing to do. Whenever I see them left on the barbell, I imagine a fantasy where the person has a team of horn players follow them around and play for them to announce their superiority.
