I just love how their plan is, “but Kamala is a cop!” and its like, “while yes, and the other guy is a 34 time convicted felon!”. Its like, thanks for pointing that out to America for me bro, couldn’t have drawn the contrast better myself!
So it’s the cop versus the felon. Democracy versus dictatorship. This is going to be a tough decision America?
We’re going to see a coordinated effort to flood every media outlet with as much shit as possible to see what will stick until eventually some unmitigated bullshit catches enough people’s attention to become the central talking point. At that point, whatever it is, will become essentially equivalent to the worst things Trump has done (which is a lot).
Could be she parked illegally and didn’t pay the ticket. Doesn’t matter. It’ll still be just as bad in voters’ minds as inciting an insurrection to overthrow the election.
Buh buh buh…she’s a wo— she laughs weird!
It’ll inevitability come down to a sub-1% margin, yes
That’s because the Electoral College and first past the post system means only a few States matter in determining the President.
tbh in most other cases I’d trust a convicted felon over a cop.
Well, as long it’s for something cool, like drugs, piracy, or throwing a brick at a cop.
Thats great for you, but 90% of Americans feel the other way, and they are the ones voting.
Please, please please hammer the “Kamala is a cop!” thing disinforming fake lefties of lemmy.
Also just because you don’t trust cops doesn’t mean you should trust criminals. Enjoy getting taken advantage of if you do.
Can someone explain? I guess I’m out of the loop, who’s Harris?
Joe Biden has dropped out of the race for US President, endorsing Kamala Harris. There’s a large disinformation campaign against Biden focused on things like his age, that now have to pivot to finding things wrong with Harris.
On that note, now Trump is only 2 years away from what they said was too old.
US presidential candidate
Harris Wittels, drummer for Don’t Stop or We’ll Die, comedian who wrote and performed on Parks and Rec, coiner of the term “humblebrag.” He’s replacing Biden as the Democratic Presidential nominee.
Kemala Harris
This reminded me I should block them the next time I see one of their posts. I scrolled down one screen on my phone.
I blocked them a while ago, had forgotten all about them but until this post haha. My account here is defined far more by its block list than the subs list.
Blocking someone does not make them go away. It’s just plugging your own ears. They’re even more free to spout their bullshit to the remaining listening people
Is anyone else tired of this?
Jill Stein is a Russian asset. Trump is a Russian asset. Carlson Tucker is a Russian asset. Every commenter on Lemmy who isn’t voting for Biden is a Russian asset.
Everyone with an opinion on politics is a Russian asset, except the valiant Democrats.
Are Russians the new Jews or something?
🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Carlson Tucker
(I don’t care about him enough to get his name right.)
Every commenter on Lemmy who isn’t voting for Biden is a Russian asset.
Fairly sure there is a quite few people on Lemmy who can’t vote in the US elections because they are not Americans.
My dude. They have the receipts.
They have conspiracy theories.
The funding, the meetings with Putin, and the lockstep with Russian propaganda all paints a very clear picture.
IDK about Jill Stein but Donald and Tucker are 100%. “Being against an authoritarian adversary state is literal Naziism,” ok buddy.
I figured I’d give you the benefit of the doubt, and scrolled through your account history.
Instead of simply exhaling sharply through my nose, thinking there’s no way Russian bots actually give a shit about Lemmy, now I’m actually convinced that you’re a Russian troll.
You’ve posted about 100 comments a day since joining about a month ago. The longest gap between comments I can find is 6 hours. So at the very least, you’re a troll and terminally online.
In a number of these comments, you go way out of your way to tow the Russian propaganda line. Derailing your own points just to clarify that you didn’t say the thing that coincidentally Russia doesn’t want people to say.
Simping for Putin doesn’t quite explain why you’d care if someone said crimea was invaded or annexed. But being paid to spread propaganda sure fits the bill.
Buddy, saying you’re being paid is generous, that’s the best case scenario for you. If you’re not being paid then you’re just catastrophically stupid, and missing out on some really easy money.
The longest gap between comments I can find is 6 hours. So at the very least, you’re a troll and terminally online.
I’m insomniac and unemployed.
If you’re not being paid then you’re just catastrophically stupid, and missing out on some really easy money.
Please hook me up. I could use the income.
I’m insomniac and unemployed.
Your lack of sleep is doing shit to ya.
Imagine being unemployed and thinking the best use of your time is simping for Putin this hard.
How many other places do you go? There’s just not enough content on Lemmy to keep you this occupied. How many accounts do you have?
How many other places do you go? How many accounts do you have?
Just Lemmy, and just this account. I quit Reddit when I started using Lemmy.
There’s just not enough content on Lemmy to keep you this occupied.
I don’t know what you mean by “this occupied”. I don’t think I’m on here that much. I browse a a few times a day and reply when I get notifications.
now I’m actually convinced that you’re a Russian troll.
This level of discourse is why America is collapsing.
(At this point, it’s probably for the best.)
You’ve posted about 100 comments a day since joining about a month ago.
And you’re terrible at math.
Be tired of it all you want, it doesn’t change that there are literally Russian troll farms at work every day.
But attributing all opposition to troll farms?
If the best rebuttal that Democrats have to any argument is “that’s what a Russian troll would say!”, then they deserve to lose.
Also, don’t you realize that you’re making Russia look good? If the only options are supporting genocide or being a Russian asset, I’d choose being a Russian asset.
Downvote if you want, but “Anyone who doesn’t tow the party line must be a traitor to the country” is how you’re losing a generation of voters.
People aren’t attributing all opposition to trolls, only the stuff that very clearly aligns with Russian/CCP/Israeli narrative building.
Jimmydoreisalefty is clearly a propaganda account. The amount of posts they aggregate daily is itself sign that this isn’t just some guy. There was no eamp up with that account either, it literally appeared on lemmy and started blasting 20-30 posts aday.
The account’s also hours of activity as suss as well.
only the stuff that very clearly aligns with Russian/CCP/Israeli narrative building.
But to them, that’s almost everything. They think every opinion that doesn’t align with the Democrat official party line is harmful to Biden’s reelection, and therefore beneficial to Russia or the CCP.
If you thought last week that Biden should be replaced, you got called a shill. If you think today that Biden shouldn’t be replaced, you’re called a shill. If you supported Kamala for president last week, you got called a shill. If you don’t support Kamala for president today, you’re called a shill.
If you support voting third-party, shill. If you say genocide is bad, shill.
I’ve been accused in this very thread of spreading pro-Russian propaganda because I corrected someone (in a different thread) on the year that Russia invaded Donbas.
It’s unhinged. Do they really think everyone with a different opinion is part of an orchestrated plot? Are they so deep in their echo chambers that they can’t conceive of someone having a different opinion? Are they unable to respond to different opinions without accusations of trechery?
This does not bode well for democracy.
If the only options are supporting genocide or being a Russian asset
So about those Ukrainians. Or is genocide, like imperialism, only bad when America does it?
I dunno man. It’s definitely getting repetitive, but when we know that there is a substantial Russian disinfo machine out there and support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is such a consistent theme in these people AND Putin is one of the major beneficiaries of the general turn towards right-wing authoritarianism (because when our politicians say and do the same things it legitimizes those antidemocratic elements of his own regime), it’s not an unfair connection to keep drawing.
The most compelling argument to not call them Russian troll farmers would be for them to simply stop saying all the things a Russian troll farmer would say.
when we know that there is a substantial Russian disinfo machine out there
But… is there? I mean, I know Russian disinformation exists, but could you really say it’s “substantial”? It seems to me that Russian disinformation couldn’t be even 1% as damaging as the disinformation put out by Fox News or Donald Trump.
Why is there all this concern about foreign disinformation when the most damaging disinformation is coming from within America? (And remember, Donald Trump’s political ascent was built on “Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya”.)
It seems to me that the main reason we hear so much about foreign disinformation is because it’s a boogeyman to stop you from questioning your country’s narratives.
“Remember: Anyone who questions America’s narratives is a foreign agent! If you ever start to think maybe your country’s narratives are wrong, you’re being duped by foreign agents.”
Also, the influence of Russian trolls on Lemmy is definitely overstated. As far as I can see, anything that doesn’t sound like it came from the mouth of a Democrat gets downvoted into oblivion.
Found the russian troll farm
There we go. Like clockwork.
Amazing post history. Thank you for being the thing you are pretending we should all be sick of.
Putin can eat shit and die btw!
Putin can eat shit and die btw!
I’m sorry, are you calling me a Russian asset?
Thank you for being the thing you are pretending we should all be sick of.
If you think my comment was complaining about Russian assets, you’ve misunderstood my comment.
I don’t think Stein or Trump are Russian assets, and I don’t think Russian assets have a significant presence on Lemmy (if they are even here at all).
One can be an asset to a hostile power without that person realising it. There is a term for it and it’s called being a USEFUL IDIOT
LOL fuck the Kremlin and their assets that have attacked the US and US elections.
Yeah, the thing that’s destroying America is some memes on facebook. That’s definitely the source of all the problems.
Is that Tom Cruise?
Kmart Tom Cruise
We should spam their posts with Russians being turned into sunflower factories in Ukraine. Remind the orks of their fate.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Disgusting dehumanization. I hope you get a new perspective soon that sets you on a path of restoring what you’ve lost
him dehumanising an invading force that kidnaps children is worse than the invasion. /s
What does it mean that you have to be so disingenuous and make up things I did not say?
What in the fuck are you talking about, Russia is the attacking force wrongfully invading. Russia can end the war and bring their fucking troops home at any time, but Putin is a dictator forcing the war to try to take Ukraine back. He’s the mad man to blame for whatever carnage befalls any Russian soldiers who should not be in Ukraine.
That does not make them orcs, and you do not deserve to have your bloodthirst rationalized by separating them from their humanity. If someone becomes a killer soldier, that is a tragedy; if someone is killed by a killer that is also a tragedy. These people all have families who will be affected by the loss of their loved one, whether that loss be total as in death or as in the loss of their humanity. I think if you support the Ukrainians against the Russian invasion that you probably have the correct view, but it doesnt make you ontologically just. And I can say so without supporting a tyrant like Putin. However, I wonder if you are familiar with the history leading up to this war, or if you think it just appeared to you as was presented on the news: a clash between good and evil like you see in Marvel movies. Most people who have looked into the history are not as firmly embedded in the camp of righteousness, and i think that some of your certainty is a display of ignorance.
The war is terrible and we gain nothing from turning our enemies into inhuman monsters. They aren’t. They’re people, maybe fucked up by circumstance, and maybe some are actually bad people. Violent clash and conflict and the resultant deaths are horrible, and inevitable in war. But its also important to understand why the war happened and why it persists. These people who have been fucked over by circumstance and forced to go to war, and then people who see it go down on TV start calling them orcs and wishing for their death. I’m not a part of any movement that foes that, I’ll find other ways to support the Ukrainian people, and I’ll call out bad behavior if I see it.
You are not ontologically righteous for wishing death on Russians. Its possible in fact that you are being pulled in the other direction, I hope you experience a change in course.
They called themselves that.
So when Russians who support the invasion of Ukraine do something, you think that you should also do it? They didn’t invent it, it comes from Ukraine and bloodthirsty supporters of Ukr (not all supporters of Ukraine are bloodthirsty, but there is a vocal minority that is) and some Russians adopted it probably because they think it sounds hardcore. Just like every pejorative ends up being used as a term of self identification by members of the group targeted by the pejorative. Doesn’t make it less dehumanizing, doesn’t make it okay in fact its kind of worse to say it since it agrees with Russians supporting the invasion, dont you think?
I mean, I planted some sunflowers, does that count?
If it helps you reflect on your thoughts and feelings so that you can find a way to resist or fight without becoming exactly like you think your enemies are, then it is a start
Or worse… they could have their vodka-and-meth ration wages cut.
They have only posted forty-nine posts today which is a pretty light day for that user.
It’s only 7am in Moscow, there’s still time.
I usually thoughtfully analyze their posts, and only if I don’t feel they fit the community I downvote it to make sure I don’t engage in vote manipulation because vote manipulation is bad.
Voting your opinion is vote manipulation?
There are different perspectives on how voting should work, such as voting based on “does this contribute to this discussion / to this community” vs based on “do I agree with this / do I like this”.
Either way, blanket-downvoting something instead of voting based on the content’s merit seems to be behaviour to be discouraged.
Apparently it is.
Not sure if you felt it, but I just manipulated your vote.
Careful with that.
God, I love this post so much. I was idly wondering the other day if it would be possible to grab timestamps from all jimmy’s posts through the api, and then plot them out to see if they correspond to normal working hours in some part of the globe…
I did this for a certain linker of baans manually. I am pretty sure they are at least not a US citizen
I didn’t think they’ve ever claimed to be one either though.
I called him out and they said at some point “What makes you think I’m not a US citizen?”
Despite not being wrong about the situation in Gaza, when you post content exclusively on one topic and refuse to acknowledge both political parties will be equally as bad at handling it - you can see an agenda forming.
Nah, pressuring Biden was the right strategy. It’s clearly been vindicated. He has now stepped down and been replaced by someone else, who hopefully won’t be as for the genocide. If it’s not complete by the time she takes office.
And it’s not like he’s wrong about Gaza. The best kind of propaganda is the truth.
If it is the truth then it is not propaganda.
Propaganda requires misinformation. Or at least hiding certain facts to fit a narrative.
No, actually, it doesn’t. Propaganda is just “communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda”.
It can be all verifiable facts, and it also doesn’t need to be bad either. The difference between a propaganda account and a non-propaganda account is mostly whether it is posting about one single issue on one single side all the time.
Yeah, if he was some kind of troll account we gave them the easiest layup shot since the Afghan pull out. But several people have made the point that the American President effects the entire world. So I wouldn’t even be surprised to find a random European, Indian, etc, commenting on our election.
For the record, I’m a European and I have commented on your election plenty of times (mostly because it’s the only thing on my news feed recently).
Their nick is the Dutch word for left lane, so I would assume they are Dutch.
I got so tired of seeing their BS posts and comments, and the incessant flood of weird little fringe YouTuber communities they were constantly spinning up, I blocked them. It’s been a much nicer Lemmy experience since then.
Every time I’m tempted to block them I feel like I need to keep them around simply to gauge how Lemmy is reacting to them as a way to check Lemmy’s health.
Also… if you block them that means they are more likely to appear to be speaking with authority to the ignorant because everyone who knows what’s actually going on is blocking them and so isn’t fact checking.
This right here is the correct path. Debunking their bs is never gonna change their minds. BUT, those that come along after and read the conversation can see that clearly one side is arguing in bad faith. It ain’t much, but it’s honest work.
White supremacy is based on the concept that rules only apply to certain groups of people.
No, it’s based on the concept that some people think their skin color makes them superior to other people. It’s literally in the word.
And in non-white societies that sort of concept doesn’t exist?
You confused “conservative” with “white supremacist.” An easy mistake to make, honestly.
So is baseball. Do you have a point?
I saw a post criticizing Harris (from the left) immediately after the announcement. Clicked on OP’s account and saw that up until just then, they had been very concerned about Biden’s age. Oh, and before that, unwilling to vote genocideJoe.
Actually leftists talking about Kamala being a cop is fine because it only makes the median “liberal” voter like her more :)
I am a very far left lefty leftist and that’s why to fight fascism this election we must do precisely what the furthest right party wants us to do and vote third party!
You forgot your /s
Hey, friend! Where might I find a higher quality of that lower right pic?
Here you go.
No! Impossible!
Even if they’re real, the difference is I’m going to show up and vote, no matter what.
I show up. I always show up. No matter how hopeless or how confident in the outcome. I encourage other citizens to do the same.
Vote!
The people who refused to vote for Biden got results.
Were they good results? Probably not. But yes, cause and effect, sure, weird metric for success tho.
Critical to this race is convincing family and friends. Make sure your apathetic friends register and vote. Make sure you have as many conversations with your parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents.
My parents are doing a write in, I’ve done my part (they would’ve voted Republican otherwise)
Lol moment to moment anti-shilling and they are too lazy to delete comments before they switch to the next disinformation talking point?
LOL
Most people don’t bother to check everyone’s past comments. So, it’s not worth their time, really. They would probably just make a new account over deleting old ones.
Which part is the disinformation? I think “genocide Joe” is a bit over the top, but Biden has clearly not pushed back on the Palestinian genocide as hard as the left (reasonably) wants. As for Biden’s age, I think that’s been pretty well vindicated now.
I don’t dispute that the right disingenuously jumps on leftist issues, but I also think we need to grapple with the fact that the Democratic establishment has continuously chosen to make the party vulnerable to such attacks. Democrats should suck less than they do, not just less than Republicans.
The “GenocideJoe” rhetoric sort of ignores the fact that it would be even worse with Trump.
Itd be more accurate to go with “NotAsMuchGenocideJoe” vs “MaximumGenocideTrump”
There’s no indication Trump could be worse on Gaza. That’s something said by people who haven’t faced the reality of what’s actually happening there.
I’m willing to vote for and encourage others to vote for Harris. Biden is still Genocide Joe to me, there’s just no better nickname that reflects the true horror of what he helped enable.
I think zionist bots are in damage control right now same as the Rusdian/Chinese bots. Trying to make it seem like the pressure that led to Biden stepping down wasn’t a referendum on Biden’s out of control zionism.
And then there are people trying to square the reality that they have been dogmatically and aggressively defending a genocide enabler when they should’ve been calling for him to step down with everyone else. People are uncomfortable confronting what that means about them as people.
Trump has said he will send even more weapons and armaments to Israel to finish off Palestine. He is literally saying “I am going to enable more genocide than Biden.”
Right, but they literally already have billions in weapons and bombs from Biden. If you pour more water into an already overflowing bucket the bucket doesn’t become more full. People need to actually look at what’s happening in Gaza, not just what they hear on NPR or MSNBC.
I think people are just unwilling to admit that the moral pressure against Biden was the right play from the start, and that it worked. Biden’s not even going to be in office but people still need to try to justify to themselves how just a few weeks ago they were doing everything they could to try and shut down criticisms of Biden’s genocide complicity.
People don’t want to admit they were wrong on this because they know what it means morally – that their place in history would be the same as the german citizens who stood by and made excuses for themselves during WWII.
Worse would be “actively helping shell the region”. And I could imagine Trump would sign off on indiscriminate drone strikes without even a first thought.
They don’t need our help shelling the region, what are you talking about? Israel doesn’t need a signature to continue indiscriminate dronestrikes, they are doing that right now. They’ve cut off foid and water, they’ve destroyed all the hospitals and schools, they’re bombing the save zones, bulldozing cemetaries, literally shooting people indiscriminately.
I really get the impression you don’t actually understand what’s going on in Gaza. There is no “moderating hand” from Biden, and he’s given them everything they want already.
I have never once mentioned that Biden was leashing back Netanyahu.
If you can’t see that “leaving a box of ammo by their feet” is slightly less bad than “helping them shoot”, then adios.
Well, adios regardless.
You could probably do with some light reading on Trump and Palestine. He’d let them bomb everything
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
Right, I’m not saying Trump is pro-palestine, I’m saying Biden placed exactly 0 limits on Israel, so they’re doing exactly as they wish (same as they’d do under Trump).
I think what’s revealing about you zionist guys is that you’re not making the same “not as bad on Israel” when it comes to Biden and Harris. If Biden is left of Trump on Israel (he’s not, but assuming your claim is true) then Harris is even further left of Biden.
You would think that having someone who polls better, who is to the left of Biden on Israel, would be good. Instead you’re still trying to do damage control for a guy who is no longer going to be in power and who has literally done nothing but give them more bombs and aid, same as Trump would.
Democrats should suck less than they do, not just less than Republicans.
While Trump is personally worse on this and so many other issues, Biden’s complete failure to contain Israel means that the results would probably be nearly identical.
name and shame
*.ml
Shit this was funny! Well done man.
