If it helps you reflect on your thoughts and feelings so that you can find a way to resist or fight without becoming exactly like you think your enemies are, then it is a start
What in the fuck are you talking about, Russia is the attacking force wrongfully invading. Russia can end the war and bring their fucking troops home at any time, but Putin is a dictator forcing the war to try to take Ukraine back. He’s the mad man to blame for whatever carnage befalls any Russian soldiers who should not be in Ukraine.
That does not make them orcs, and you do not deserve to have your bloodthirst rationalized by separating them from their humanity. If someone becomes a killer soldier, that is a tragedy; if someone is killed by a killer that is also a tragedy. These people all have families who will be affected by the loss of their loved one, whether that loss be total as in death or as in the loss of their humanity. I think if you support the Ukrainians against the Russian invasion that you probably have the correct view, but it doesnt make you ontologically just. And I can say so without supporting a tyrant like Putin. However, I wonder if you are familiar with the history leading up to this war, or if you think it just appeared to you as was presented on the news: a clash between good and evil like you see in Marvel movies. Most people who have looked into the history are not as firmly embedded in the camp of righteousness, and i think that some of your certainty is a display of ignorance.
The war is terrible and we gain nothing from turning our enemies into inhuman monsters. They aren’t. They’re people, maybe fucked up by circumstance, and maybe some are actually bad people. Violent clash and conflict and the resultant deaths are horrible, and inevitable in war. But its also important to understand why the war happened and why it persists. These people who have been fucked over by circumstance and forced to go to war, and then people who see it go down on TV start calling them orcs and wishing for their death. I’m not a part of any movement that foes that, I’ll find other ways to support the Ukrainian people, and I’ll call out bad behavior if I see it.
You are not ontologically righteous for wishing death on Russians. Its possible in fact that you are being pulled in the other direction, I hope you experience a change in course.
So when Russians who support the invasion of Ukraine do something, you think that you should also do it? They didn’t invent it, it comes from Ukraine and bloodthirsty supporters of Ukr (not all supporters of Ukraine are bloodthirsty, but there is a vocal minority that is) and some Russians adopted it probably because they think it sounds hardcore. Just like every pejorative ends up being used as a term of self identification by members of the group targeted by the pejorative. Doesn’t make it less dehumanizing, doesn’t make it okay in fact its kind of worse to say it since it agrees with Russians supporting the invasion, dont you think?
Disgusting dehumanization. I hope you get a new perspective soon that sets you on a path of restoring what you’ve lost
I mean, I planted some sunflowers, does that count?
If it helps you reflect on your thoughts and feelings so that you can find a way to resist or fight without becoming exactly like you think your enemies are, then it is a start
him dehumanising an invading force that kidnaps children is worse than the invasion. /s
What does it mean that you have to be so disingenuous and make up things I did not say?
What in the fuck are you talking about, Russia is the attacking force wrongfully invading. Russia can end the war and bring their fucking troops home at any time, but Putin is a dictator forcing the war to try to take Ukraine back. He’s the mad man to blame for whatever carnage befalls any Russian soldiers who should not be in Ukraine.
That does not make them orcs, and you do not deserve to have your bloodthirst rationalized by separating them from their humanity. If someone becomes a killer soldier, that is a tragedy; if someone is killed by a killer that is also a tragedy. These people all have families who will be affected by the loss of their loved one, whether that loss be total as in death or as in the loss of their humanity. I think if you support the Ukrainians against the Russian invasion that you probably have the correct view, but it doesnt make you ontologically just. And I can say so without supporting a tyrant like Putin. However, I wonder if you are familiar with the history leading up to this war, or if you think it just appeared to you as was presented on the news: a clash between good and evil like you see in Marvel movies. Most people who have looked into the history are not as firmly embedded in the camp of righteousness, and i think that some of your certainty is a display of ignorance.
The war is terrible and we gain nothing from turning our enemies into inhuman monsters. They aren’t. They’re people, maybe fucked up by circumstance, and maybe some are actually bad people. Violent clash and conflict and the resultant deaths are horrible, and inevitable in war. But its also important to understand why the war happened and why it persists. These people who have been fucked over by circumstance and forced to go to war, and then people who see it go down on TV start calling them orcs and wishing for their death. I’m not a part of any movement that foes that, I’ll find other ways to support the Ukrainian people, and I’ll call out bad behavior if I see it.
You are not ontologically righteous for wishing death on Russians. Its possible in fact that you are being pulled in the other direction, I hope you experience a change in course.
They called themselves that.
So when Russians who support the invasion of Ukraine do something, you think that you should also do it? They didn’t invent it, it comes from Ukraine and bloodthirsty supporters of Ukr (not all supporters of Ukraine are bloodthirsty, but there is a vocal minority that is) and some Russians adopted it probably because they think it sounds hardcore. Just like every pejorative ends up being used as a term of self identification by members of the group targeted by the pejorative. Doesn’t make it less dehumanizing, doesn’t make it okay in fact its kind of worse to say it since it agrees with Russians supporting the invasion, dont you think?