Compromise is when there are two equally valid ways, but this is never that. One set of policies benefits the majority for healthy people and high quality of life. The other is meant to benefit the wealthy and keep the majority subservient to the owners, and worse health and life outcomes.
one benifits voters significantly the other wants everyone to be a voter.
Oh for fucks sake. She is running in South Carolina, what the fuck do you want her to do?
Pulling her head out of her ass would be a good start.
“I believe America is great when it protects everyone’s rights. I don’t believe that the government should be in the room meddling when parents make the best choices for their children, and doctors do what’s right for their patients.”
That’s what i want to hear. I want to see Democrats stand for something, and refuse to accept Republicans’ framing of issues.
So, by default, you are saying it’s okay to let trump continue his reign of terror unchecked.
Because that is what your hissy fit is going to cause.
That is such an utterly deranged take.
No, it is the logical outcome of all the people attacking Andrews in this thread.
You may hate Andrews, but trump is a mass murdering, bribe taking, monster. Your actions have consequences, stop pretending they don’t.
…trump is a mass murdering, bribe taking, monster.
Oh, you mean like the Democrats? Especially the ones that are willing to sacrifice trans-rights?
I don’t know what you read, but it wasn’t my comment.
I love how libs have to keep making up arguments that nobody made, instead of discussing the actual points that were brought up.
When Ds attack marginalized groups, Rs don’t suddenly vote for them. Instead they take it as confirmation that their bigotry is warranted and acceptable, and then they go vote R anyway
I would like her to act like a decent human being.
I don’t know, maybe have an ounce of solidarity and don’t engage with transphobia. It’s that simple. Even saying you don’t think its a relevant issue to the campaign is better.
If the moral obligation isn’t enough motivation, maybe the studies that recently came out showing tranphobic attacks weren’t even helping Republicans are. It’s not just awful, but also a losing strategy.
Republicans lie all the time to win. If she needs to lie then that’s ok. We can judge her by her voting record after she wins and primary someone better in the next election.
This sort of cynical idea that nobody has any principles or believes in anything is a cancer on society, and politicians lying about their positions makes it worse.
So by your logic, we should have voted for Trump and hoped that he was just lying the whole time?
If you are Maga, then yes. If you are Maga, you hear Trump say he supports gays but you know what he really stands for. Magas then used “Trump said he supports gays” when talking to centrists. But they knew what Trump stood for.
Ignoring the obvious point of my question for a lame attempt at a gotcha. Do they teach this at Lib 101? Do they think it actually works?
She is in a conservative district. Lying like Trump obviously works.
Democrats have been lying for decades, and they lose all the time. You know what actually works? Delivering for the voters.
That’s just a lunatic way to go about voting in a democracy. Just vote for them and hope they’re lying when they campaign?
The alternative is to vote for Trump (or by not voting you are voting for Trump). So you still loose trans rights AND EVERY OTHER RIGHT.
It’s not the primaries.
When Trump was running he talked about how he was a big supporter of Gays and Latinos and he won because people are stupid.
Here you have a Democrat doing the same thing to win and you are attacking her.
No, the winning strategy is to run on popular positions that help people, and make their lives better, and deliver on them. But Dems are too busy supporting Trump and the Republicans, while screwing over their voters to care about that.
popular positions
Is it a popular position in that district?
So is ending foreign wars, taxing the rich, changing the economy to benefit the working class, affordable healthcare, and afforable housing. But I don’t see the dems doing that.
Left isn’t about to win culture wars against religious fanatics.
Those with hate towards Trans people, Hindus, Muslims, Latinos or whichever group they dislike are not going to change because of what anyone from out-group says to them.
Only thing Left can successfully do is not let them pull you into mud wrestling whenever they feel like it. Focus on working class. Trans folks suffer from a high cost of living just the same.
You keep saying left. Who are you talking about?
I this instance, people who oppose MAGA. Even the republican leaning ones. Shitlibs and centrists. Everyone who is sick of their constant culture wars. Annoyed at their obsession with “woke mind virus” while they deny vaccination for actual viruses.
So you don’t know what left means, lol
Just say opposition to the republicans next time.
No.
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I don’t know, maybe have an ounce of solidarity and don’t engage with transphobia.
Yeah … best thing she could do is just not comment on the issue at all, ever. Just don’t engage with the culture war bullshit at all. Any time she’s asked, ignore the question and talk about economic issues or rule of law instead.
“Do you think trans athletes should be allowed in girl’s sports?” --> “What I care about is making sure the American people can afford to buy groceries, making sure they’re not getting unconstitutionally snatched off the street by masked federal agents.”
That’s how you can win from the ‘left’ while in a heavily right-leaning district.
this would realistically be as hated by the right as when democrats deflect questions about universal healthcare or the epstine files
No, it wouldn’t because they also can’t afford to live in this country. They’re pumped full of culture war bullshit so they don’t think about how badly the country is going. This is the correct way to handle culture war bullshit.
Human rights = culture war bullshit to libs now, lol.
You think that banning trans athletes or policing their bodies is a human right? Dude, you’re kinda twisted.
Oh, unless you meant that we should support our trans allies? Yeah, you don’t do that by helping the opposition turn them into a wedge issue. You do that by supporting legislation that protects them and not using them as a human shield come election season.
I think my comments were pretty clear. Democrats will throw any minority under the bus if they think it will help them win (it never does).
Of fucking course policing someone’s body is a violation of their human rights! What the fuck else would it be?
Why don’t just be honest? Why not just be honest about your bigotry?
Yeah, you don’t do that by helping the opposition turn them into a wedge issue. You do that by supporting legislation that protects them and not using them as a human shield come election season.
The Democrats are the ones that did this.
What did she say that’s transphobic?
If she was afraid of trans… wouldn’t she agree with trans to avoid conflict? Shouldn’t she be fearful of their wrath?
Kinda weird
Phobia = afraid 😒
Hah, it went right over my head.
I wish they were afraid of our wrath
You’re not even good at pretending to be stupid lmao.
Lemmitors want her to virtue signal, lose, and have the GOP win.
Most of them. Yep. That’s what they want. And there’s quite a few here in the comments too.
Yes. That’s what we want. We want you not to throw away human rights so that you can get along with the fascists. That is absolutely 100% correct. We want you to resist that urge you have to kill trans people while putting your arm around your fascist buddy.
We were hoping that you had learned your lesson from history. Learned that this is literally the Nazi Playbook. That you morons have lost this war before with this exact same rhetoric of compromise with the Nazis now by sacrificing the rights of marginalized groups so you can get along. We want you to be better than Nazi Collaborators. Bridge too far for some of you though it seems.
Look at that! They just come right to you when you call them out, it’s like they don’t even know.
So wait, your smug non-voting “protest”’actually was effective, or it wasn’t? It’s hard to keep track. Because when we blame you for helping to elect trump, you cry and whine how it wasn’t your fault and you we’re not responsible because there wasn’t enough of you.
Yet here you are taking full credit for it.
So pick a lane. Either you brought us trump as a lesson, or you had no hand in his winning the election?
I’ll give you time to consult the hive on this one, as I’d imagine it’s a bit confusing considering the far left hand doesn’t ever seem to know what the russian hand is doing.
For the record and if it helps:
From the perspective of anyone with a brain, whatever your answer- it doesn’t matter. Because you had no idea what the outcome would be when you refused to vote either way. Which means neither is true. You just wanted to surrender your vote because [причины]
Yes, I will absolutely come to you when you call us out for resisting your Nazi ideology. 100% every single time. Please continue to be proud that you’re literally supporting Nazism. I will always be an anti-fascist. No matter how much you hate that it’s never going to change.
Just be fucking honest. You just want us dead. You and your Nazi friends want us dead. You don’t want to stand up to your Nazi friends to protect us. Just be honest. Be honest about your bigotry. Be honest about what kind of person you are.
I can’t take you seriously at all. Everyone you disagree with is a “Nazi”? As expected, you dismiss the subject discussed in favor of accusations. There’s never any substance to anything you’re saying.
Brother if you’re so ignorant you don’t understand the parallels between the Nazis targeting trans people and the Liberals of Germany go along with it and what you’re literally advocating for here there’s no fucking help for you.
Or as I really suspect, it’s just what you always have wanted all along.
You think these people know history? All they know is brunch lmao.
No, we want her to show solidarity, win, and deliver for the working class. But that’s antithetical to the Democratic strategy.
I want to stop the Democratic Party from becoming more transphobic so they don’t participate in a bipartisan genocide against me. When you elect transphobic Dems you are empowering that wing of the party, and disempowering the pro-trans rights wing of the party. I will not vote for my genocide.
I’m going to write in a pro-trans runner up from the primary, so when their demon loses, they can see they lost my vote.
You have ben propagandized to believe that the only way to win is to compromise with fascists
Yup!
But since it’s lemmy they are probably all Russian and Chinese’s agitators, or even bots.
But they are definitely pro republican.
If the AntiHitler Party becomes the BlueHitler Party to win against the RedHitler Party, then the people have no choice but to vote for Hitler. A 2 party system is defunct.
So you’re okay with ICE going around shooting people and running them down with SUVs
I’m not, but the Democratic AND Republican parties are
how do you even infer that?
You have to be a bot. Nobody can be that stupid.
You seem to be proving this point wrong.
Ah yes. We have to be bots or agitators. It couldn’t possibly be that we don’t want to see trans-people attacked. 🙄
Hey! Trans is an adjective, like tall or smart. You can (and should) just say “trans people” like “tall people” or “smart people”. Attaching the adjective to the noun, like trans-people or transpeople, implies it is a new thing distinct from the original noun. Have a nice day!
I’ve edited my comment, but I don’t think I understand what you mean by this? How is something like “tall-person” different than “tall person” ?
When its an adjective with no propaganda and vitriol being spewed about it, its murkier. But when you say “trans-(wo)man” or “black-(wo)man” or something like that, even though it is grammatically acceptable I believe, you risk the implication that the object you describe is a distinct, other object from a “normal” (wo)man.
Edit: also, thank you for editing your original comment - not many are as open to feedback
Ah, OK, I think I get it. Thanks for the heads up!
“People who want their candidates to respect their basic human rights are filthy fucking foreigners, or not even human at all.”
“virtue signaling” is a weird way to say “respect people, even the dangerous scary otherpeople”
Have some solidarity.
Democrats 28% of voters
Republicans 28% of voters
Independents 44% of voters
Self-proclaimed centrists portion of independents 32% of voters.
I don’t think centrists are as right wing as is commonly claimed here. If they were, the Democrats would never, ever win any election, ever. So… kinda silly
Math is mean to you
This is a complete and utter misrepresentation of independents to the point it should be considered an outright lie.
Ha, no. This is absolutely a fact.
Please don’t misrepresent what I present, that’s deliberately deceptive. You’re wrong.
Pew Research, check it out. I was generous with the stats (some sources say over 40% are centrist in USA)
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/fact-sheet/party-affiliation-fact-sheet-npors/
I eagerly await your source
Difficulty: It cannot be your imagination
Lol right! These fucking morons… They’re either far left and think picking fights with the center is somehow the way to forward for their cause (seems just because you’ve read Marx doesn’t mean your IQ jumps above 80). Or, they’re psy-op from the right, trying to collect centrists to the right (This would be the higher IQ move out if the 2 options).
Ah, yes, the people who actually oppose the right are a psy-op. But the Democrats, who constantly support the right, are the real opposition party.
Big brain thinking at it’s best.
“Democrats that support the right.”
Lol.
Go. The. Fuck. Outside. Sometime.
Internet forums are not where the truth lives.What are some leftist policies the democratic leadership is pushing for?
Why you asking?
Remember when the Democrats increased funding to ICE? Remember when the Democrats had the Republicans against the rope on the budget, and folded for no reason? Remember when Biden broke a bunch of laws to help Trump build out the border wall? Remember when Obama expanded Bush’s policies on torture, kidnapping, and deportation? Remember when the Democrats had the chance to put Trump in prison, but chose not to? Remember when Obama rebranded Romney-care as Obama-care?
Internet forums are not where the truth lives.
You are correct. Thats why I don’t expect Libs to know what the truth is.
I have a hard time believing that the left, eating their own, is a path back to power. You’re just gonna annoy people, drive them away, and depress your voter turnout; a surefire way to make sure the right remain in power. So those that participate in trashing the left or center, every time a politician does not deliver 100% of a wishlist (if they are voting eligible “Americans”) must be either stupid, or elephants in donkey costumes.
I mean what’s the in-between? Folks who studied Socialism and Communism but never studied how to fucking win something?.. maybe.
Or I suppose I can concede, you all far lefties are a separate faction, trying to make inroad to capture power over the rest of the left, as they see that is their only path to power.
Still kinda dumb too, as while it may be the only play, it just wouldn’t happen, and is a waste of effort.
You want to threaten and use any leverage against the left to effect policy? Well that is pretty useless while they don’t have power. So ya better get on the support train first - whinge later, program.
Seriously, sometimes I think they are doing this just for laughs. It is definitely entertaining
They’re doing it because they afe the opposition. They’re divisionists. They are here to upset the midterms. They did the same shit in 24.
Your opinions are so shit you even get down voted in liberal spaces, lmfao.
I think his point was you’re completely conflating the term independent and Centrist. Which is absolutely not the same thing.
It’s not my conflation.
They are not the same thing. That’s why we have two different words with two different meanings.
All independents are not centrists, but all centrists are independents (in the USA).
Regardless, whether independents OR centrists, they both outnumber Democrats, and you require their votes to win any election.
Maybe… just maybe… it’s in your best interests to not insult them?
But you do you, I do think it’s funny to watch Lemmings spite themselves repeatedly, every single day I see them cut off their nose to spite their face. Thank you
All independents are not centrists, but all centrists are independents (in the USA).
You can be:
- independent and centrist
- centrist and not independent
- independent and not centrist
Neither of those is inclusive, or exclusive, of the other
You think they understand all those big words?
All independents are not centrists, but all centrists are independents (in the USA).
Well now you said two wildly inaccurate things in this comment chain. First you, yes you, conflated interest with Independence. Now this wildly inaccurate comment. Just making shit up left and right.
You’re arguing with a notorious divisionist. There not here to debate in good faith.
Great argument
You’d be the expert on that.
The democrats are right wing.
Why wouldn’t democrats win if centrists are as right wing as we think? The democrats are also as right wing as I think outside of a handful of progressives.
Then your divide between right and left doesn’t conform to reality. The GOP and DNC are night and day difference.
I know I’m asking for flame here, but what is she saying that’s a problem? I’m not picking it up from the image.
This is a good source https://www.advocate.com/politics/election/annie-andrews-south-carolina-democrat
Ok I’m honestly ignorant here and this is not an issue I have a lot of knowledge on and an asking without any mal intent.
What’s wrong with not wanting biological men playing in women’s sports? Does biological men mean something other than what it reads as? What am I missing here?
Okay, so then first off, there’s no such thing as a “biological man”. There are males and females, man/woman are gender markers and not biological. By mixing biological and gender markers, they are essentially invalidating the concept of gender entirely.
Second, the logic being used to ban trans women from women’s sports is the same logic being used to put us in men’s prisons.
Third, being born different shouldn’t mean you aren’t allowed to play sports, what this effectively means is trans women and girls are just banned from all sports. It gets really stupid when they start banning us from playing on chess teams, which has happened.
And lastly, if we assume that there’s an unfair advantage, so what? Should we ban tall people from playing basketball because they have an unfair, inborn advantage? If someone has naturally higher lung capacity, should they be banned from football? Why use sex specifically as a way to segregate the population, instead of more scientific measures of actual biological ability?
In short, there’s a lot wrong with it.
man/woman are gender markers and not biological
Please, do stand by your guns and don’t tell the emergency tech or ER that you were born a man. Stand by your guns and cross your fingers as they treat like any other woman. Be strong! (be lucky…)
Also, hormone therapy can change muscle density so their argument about trans women having an unfair advantage is also wrong lmao
Also we don’t even have a biological advantage if we start HRT at tanner stage 2 of puberty, but they’re trying to prevent us from getting that either
We don’t have a biological advantage at all if we’ve had estrogen and testosterone at cis female levels for two years.
Thank you for replying, seriously I appreciate it.
I think* I understand what you are talking about regarding gender vs biological sex. I understand gender to be something in someones head, and understand sex to be a complex amalgamation of whatever physiological traits you pull out of a big bucket as you’re born and grow, also not binary.
I also think* that most people commonly conflate those two spaces, and I am guessing that probably causes a lot of challenges when talking about this issue as I bet there is a lot of talking past each other that happens, probably unintentionally and unknowingly. I’m certain that there is hateful and derogatory coded language and intentional weaponization of language happening too. I’m trying to be extra careful and cautious with my words because I am genuinely curious, and am guessing that curiosity is sometimes used as a foil for trolling or other insincere things, and am assuming you likely have your guard up for these very reasonable reasons.
I am completely ok with people being trans, and feel pretty strongly that anyone should be allowed to do with their bodies as they see fit. I don’t think anyone should be discriminated against because they are trans just as they shouldn’t for any other kind of “is”ness that they “is”.
All that said it does feel to me like there is some nuance with the sports thing though that I struggle with. We do separate the leagues we have historically referred to as mens and women’s based upon someones “bucket pull” of sexual traits, and usually (not always, not black and white, but usually) people consistently pull some consistent traits from the buckets we have historically viewed as mens and women’s traits. Those buckets usually produce some pretty significant differences in physical ability, and we even ban people from participating if they use performance enhancing drugs like testosterone even.
We could collapse all leagues and say that we weren’t going to use observed sexual dimorphism as a constraint and make everyone play in the same league, but that seems like it would be pretty shitty to do to people who are pulling from the bucket of traits we have historically referred to as womens. At the same time, if someone who would otherwise be playing in that league have been discovered to have been taking testosterone they wouldn’t be allowed to play, and prior to starting medication I aren’t (completely assuming, I am ignorant here so correct me if I am wrong) trans women getting higher than “fair for the women league” doses of testosterone?
I’m not entirely blind to how this would feel super shitty for trans women either, and I know a little something personally about how much it sucks to just draw some cards that say “you don’t get to play”. I was born with some non trivial physical deformities, and could never play sports… except of course for chess (which you mentioned and I am 100% on board with that’s dumb anyone should be able to compete in the men’s league imho).
We could break sports leagues into “unrestricted use all the drugs you want”. “people who have had testosterone over a certain level”, and “people who have had testosterone under that level” instead of what we have today maybe, but that seems really impractical and I doubt it could even be as simple as just testosterone.
It feels like it just isn’t a space where accuracy is possible without grossly invading peoples privacy and overcomplicating the process to the point of harm… And broad brush strokes always leave some people on the edge in a way that is just unfair, but not necessarily the wrong way to do it.
I don’t know what the answer is for sure, but this is kinda where my headspace is at. Certainly open to hearing other peoples opinions here and not trying to insult or hate on anyone.
The science doesn’t support your assumptions about advantage. All advantage goes away by the time a trans woman has been at cis female levels of estrogen and testosterone for two years.
If the debate around trans women in sports were genuine, it would have ended quickly by looking at the science, implementing the two year rule, and moving on with our lives. But it’s not. It’s about hurting an “other”.
Research has shown that trans women are on par with cis women within a few years of HRT. The idea that we possess some male advantage is a transphobic talking point designed to make people not see us as women. And “biological male” is a dogmegaphone, implying we are never really women.
And from what we see of most trans athletes who do get to compete, they’re not the top in their field. So that puts another nail in the coffin of the idea that trans women have an advantage.
Unfortunately, the sports that are popular right now are very unfair. Some people are just born better suited for certain sports than others, and some can’t play at all. This is not a great situation to start with, even before we consider sex (as you point out, physical disability basically just means some people don’t ever get to play). Unless we’re willing to totally change sports (which probably won’t happen) I think we just have to let the leagues figure it out themselves, and lawmakers can butt out.
By introducing legislation, it opens up all sorts of problems that entrench sex segregation into the law. This is a serious problem, when the current legal environment also means trans women are being sent to mens’ prisons. That’s genocidal.
So, no politicians. They have more important things to worry about anyway.
I’m sure some leagues will decide to keep sex segregation, and other leagues will determine other characteristics to determine how to separate teams (perhaps by hormone levels in the blood, perhaps by height and “wing span”, perhaps by weight, it all depends on the game). Still other leagues will just have mixed games, like chess obviously should already have.
But politicians need to stay out of it. It’s just a way to salami slice our rights away.
why are we fucking talking about this when we have a pedo president?
Kinda in the same boat, I know this is a lot of people’s issue so I was asking even though I normally don’t really pay much attention to it. Most of what I see in the media is sound bytes or meme which doesn’t really seem like it paints a complete picture.
Seems like people have a lot of of passion and strong feelings about it so I’m not surprised I’m getting downvoted for asking.
it’s such a fucking waste of time chasing bullshit so redhats can hate nonsense instead of paying attention to how expensive everything is
Note all the downvotes? Lemmy doesn’t take kindly to questions, especially anything to do with trans folks. All we tolerate around here is a full-throated scream of support.
That’s not been my experience. Lemmy has a ton of support to questions, just not ones being asked in bad faith.
People are great about answering in good faith, meant the downvotes on the question itself. I’ve noted before that that sort of thing backfires. “Well fuck me I guess these trans people and supporters are hateful as fuck.” I know better, but this place has still left me feeling that.
I think my point still stands. In my experience, if the above question were to be asked in good faith, it wouldn’t be downvoted very much at all.
I asked it in good faith, I was genuinely curious and got some really informative responses that were helpful and I upvoted. I still got dogpiled on downvotes, and even you are implying that I was acting in bad faith here which I think is what the person your responding to is talking about.
Even tho both are AMAB, a trans woman’s biology is quite different from a cis male biology. I mean, the whole reason HRT works is because is biology. I don’t have numbers to back this up, but I think medication and surgical history are much more significant factors than gender-assigned-at-birth, those I can see the presence or absence of sex-differentiated organs (both internal and external) could be as relevant as surgical history.
Anyway “trans women are biological males” is certainly wrong, and it is mostly likely a “dog whistle” version of “gender transition is a myth”. And, while “trans women are women” might not be full of every possible nuance, as a 4-word phrase it is accurate enough for me.
If you were born a male, you better fuckin’ tell the ambulance and the hospital before they treat you!
I think that is most often true. However, there are risks to being outed if you are stealth and those risks could be more significant than the risks of being treated as the gender you present than as the gender you were assigned an birth.
The treatment of a broken bone is largely independent of the mix of sex hormones, presence or absence of sex-differentiated organs, or gender presentation now or at the moment of birth, but can still involve an ambulance ride and a hospital visit. I’d hope our medical system would be trans-safe enough that disclosure would be a strict positive, but I don’t know that’s the case, and I would defer to the patient’s judgement about whether to disclose or not for whatever reasons (including but not limited to safety and comfort).
I’d trust medical folks to be the least risky to out myself to. Made a pact with myself as a young man to never lie or prevaricate to my doctors. OTOH, I’m a middle-aged, white, cis, male, so I can hardly feel it from the viewpoint of a trans person. Also depends on the area. OTOOH, even here in the deepest South I don’t see the medical people I’ve known and dated to hold that sort of prejudice. They just want to fix you and need the best data to do so.
Agreed. I know with mandated reporting it’s not necessarily super safe to count on doctor-patient confidentiality, but I still try to be honest with all my medical providers and I know I’m more honest with them than with some blood relations. Also, same here as a 46yo, white, cis, male in Arkansas – most medical people do it out of a sense of community service (it’s not like the big bucks come from here) and try to remain non-judgemental.
A trans woman’s biology is quite different from cis men, yes, but it’s also not exactly similar to cis women either.
Even after a full transition, trans people often are in a sort of intermediate state in terms of immune, cardiovascular, and metabolic systems. They’re not exactly like their AGAB nor their new sex identity either.
There’s even organ carry over as well. Trans women are the only category of women that can still be at risk for prostate cancer, and trans men are the only category of men that can still be at risk for skenes gland cancer.
The most honest description is to say that they are in an intermediate sex.
Even more so, neuroendocrinology is not fully shifted even after transition. The HPG axis in trans women lack ovarian effects, and in trans men they lack testicular effects.
I don’t disagree with any of that, but I would say that “trans women are women” is about gender, not sex.
It’s unclear whether sports are segregated on gender or sex lines, but the historical record leans more toward gender segregation than sex segregation. I honestly don’t care enough about any sport to really know the correct way to organize a league, but I do want trans persons to be able to participate in public life, including sport, as safely as anyone else. I’d mostly be in favor of no division based on sex or gender, but people that are more interested in sport than I tell me that’s bad and unsafe.
I’m fine with trans people joining the league that they prefer personally
Purity testing
Purity testing is a good thing. We do it for basically everything we eat or drink. If I’m expected to swallow a politician’s BS, I’m allowed to purity test it, and them by implication.
(But, I’m also a strategic voter; I’ll gladly vote for a lesser evil if I think it is likely to prevent a greater evil.)
They’re biologically a fuckin asshole traitor
They’re not a traitor if they were never one of us to begin with. I firmly believe that MAGApublicans have plants in the Democratic Party. And have had them for decades.
Yes, because they’re so well organized.
This is the same exact losing strategy the centrist democrats have been attempting to use for the last 20 years. They want “broad appeal” which basically means virtue signalling to bigoted republican voters who are going to mechanically vote for the person with the R next to their name no matter what any democrat says or does. And yet, they keep trying and turning their backs on the left as if to say, “we don’t need you to win”.
Until these awful people are ejected from the democratic party or the DSA gains more momentum, this bullshit is just going to keep happening.
They’re not “attempting to use it”. It’s working well for them, their goals just aren’t what you imagine they are.
What’s important part is that we give these few assholes all the attention right before voting day.
Wouldn’t it be more effective right AFTER the voting day so that they don’t lose to the worse and bigger assholes?
No, it’s more effective to do it before voting day so more people abstain and Trump gets to keep his supermajority. That way, he can amend the constitution and run for a third term. That’s OP’s goal.
OP will claim to be a leftist and an ally. They will claim it.
You would think!
You would really think.
No compromise on Trans rights.
No compromise on genocide, either.
Its semantics but please elaborate on what you like done. Just so I know what we are talking about.
Trans rights is clear to me. Trans people are afforded the same rights as everyone else and cant be discriminated against base on their gender identification.
Are we saying, no funding for any country that participates is genocide? No trade?
What if we just said america shouldnt make weapons of war? Do you even know who the neo-libs were?
No weapons of war, no support for any country that commits genocide. The U.S won’t ever do that because it’s an imperialist country, so the their government should be hindered in their foreign policy at every opportunity.
Ok, but america isnt the only country to participate in imperialism. How do we protect our sovereignty from hostile imperialist countries?
Fuck your sovereignty, I don’t give a shit what happens afterwards. We’ll great replacement all the white people and you’ll like it, stfu, kkkrakkker.
Jesus Christ, you’re on dbzer0, the anarchist instances, and you’re whining about America needing to defend itself from hostile foreign countries?
Fuck my sovereignty… ok nm, Im not interested in your opinion.
Anarchists arent delusional. Sorry someone gave you that impression.
"The thing that I thought might be good for starting it off is to talk about one of the most pervasive beliefs in the general society about the nation of Islam. And that is that it is an organization dedicated to the use of violent means to attain its goals. The question I have is how true is this? And why do you think it persists in society?
Well, the Muslims who have accepted the religion of Islam and follow the religious guidance of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad have never bombed any churches, have never murdered any little girls, as was done in Birmingham, have never lynched anybody, have never at any time been guilty of initiating any aggressive acts of violence.
During the entire 33 years or more that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad has been teaching us, the charge of violence against us actually stems from the guilt complex that exists in the conscious and subconscious minds of most white people in this country.
They know that they know that they have been violent in their brutality against Negroes. And they feel that someday the Negro is going to wake up and try and do unto them as they have done unto, do unto the whites as the whites have done unto us.
We aren’t a violent group. We are taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad to obey the law, to respect everyone who respects us. We’re taught to display courtesy, to be polite.
But we’re also taught that at any time anyone in any way inflicts or seeks to inflict violence upon us, we are within our religious rights to retaliate in self-defense to the maximum degree of our ability. We never initiate any violence upon anyone. We never initiate any violence upon anyone. But if anyone attacks us, we reserve the right to defend ourselves.
So to accuse us of being violence is like accusing a man who is being lynched, who is being hung on a tree, simply because he struggles vigorously against his lyncher. The victim is accused of violence, but the lyncher is never accused of violence.
And I only point this out because the various racist groups that are set up in this country by whites and who have actually practiced violence against blacks for 400 years are never associated or identified or made synonymous with the term violence. But whites speak of Muslims almost synonymously with violence. Whenever Muslims are mentioned by them, violence is brought up.
But not, but it’s not connected with any other group. This is a sort of a propaganda tactic or what I would call psychological warfare to in some way make the image of the Muslims in this country be a violent image rather than a religious image."
Don’t quote Malik el-Shabazz at me, he would have correctly and proportionately told you to “shut the fuck up, kkkrakkker” too.
it’s a big tent. being open to many ideas is a good thing. being so open minded your brains fall out, not so much. finding that sweet spot where they can be inclusive, but not allow the bigots and asshats is harder than just going with bigotry as your standard - see the GOP.
Yeah, so compromise is a two way street. If you’re position is that you want to burn down everything and implement a system that’s failed every time it’s been tried, and you’ll label everyone that doesn’t agree with you as a fascist, there’s not much anyone can do.
Nobody is compromising with the fascists, they are compromising with the center right though. Of course if you see everyone as a fascist… well see the first sentence.
If you’re going to retreat back to “well I just want healthcare!” that’s what liberals have been trying to do for decades. You’re too busy being uncommitted and going on rants about how everyone that disagrees with you is a fascist for you to notice. And you’re not reliably voting against fascism, because you don’t even know what fascism is.
To avoid fascists remaining in power, the only option for the political opposition to fascism is to compromise with people that reliably vote. That isn’t you. If you’re uncommitted to democracy, don’t cry when democracy has to move on without you. You chose to turn your back on democracy because corporate social media told you authoritarianism is better than democracy. Communists and fascists are just drinking a different flavour of authoritarian kool-aid, but you’re all drinking the authoritarian kool-aid.
You’re a fucking moron and nobody is buying your bullshit.
Yeah you’re telling people to not vote because everyone is a fascist other than you. You’re carry water for the fascists, the only question is whether you’re aware of it or not. But the answer to that question is irrelevant.
To everyone who’s not a “leftist” propagandists, you should vote. There will never be a candidate that exactly matches your views. You vote to remove the fascists from power. To make sure there is no confusion here: The Republicans are facists, the Democrats are not fascists. Vote for Democrats if you oppose fascism.
Ignore the memes, they could be coming from Russia or who the fuck knows where. Vote out the fascists out. It may be your last chance to do it.
fuck off. you say this as we live in the reality of no progressive representation, and the world is currently burning. the current “center” is so far right, that there is debate over whether it’s legal that renaming minorities as “enemy combatants” removes their rights as humans in our society. to compromise with this “center” is compromising with fascists, period.
you lie that liberals are fighting for universal healthcare, we have fucking eyes and memories longer then a 6 month campaign cycle, and a campaign promise is worth jack
you say we don’t know what a fascist fucking is, and here you are running interference for a candidate openly erasing trans identity! fuck you, and your masters! crawl back to your echo chamber you absolute slime
you lie that liberals are fighting for universal healthcare, we have fucking eyes and memories longer then a 6 month campaign cycle, and a campaign promise is worth jack
Can you also count? These things aren’t happening because not enough people vote for it. Too many pricks on the internet telling people not to vote because everyone is a fascist.
Can I say it yet?
Can’t stand this bitch
Transpeople are all biological males? The trans men will be pleased to hear it.
Its only chicks with dicks that scare the right. I don’t think they know about F2M trans men.
They are terrified that a woman in a male body is still more masculine than they are.
They know about trans men, but they view them all as easily manipulated, wayward girls, who’s fertility is being stolen by the evil trans agenda.
Just look at the cover of Abigail Shrier’s Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. It’s the most mask off libidinal shit you’ve ever seen
The fact that it’s a “Craze”, that it “Seduces” and that the cover has a Norman Rockwell style image of a little girl with a gaping hole where her ostensible womb ought to be. Sigmund Freud would have a field day with this trash!!
I know that what I said isn’t the literal truth. I work in a relatively conservative male dominated workplace and people who bitch about trans things are ONLY bringing up M2F. It’s what they’re most worried about.
They do, and want to fix them to turn them back into women. That’s how the right talks about them.
“fix” is a weird way to say “rape”.
“doctor”
EDIT: Uh-oh, she’s a pediatrician who hates trans people? I don’t like where this is going. Probably an island somewhere.
EDIT 2: This “doctor” is almost tied in the polls with Darlene Graham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina#Polling_5
EDIT 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Andrews_(pediatrician)#Policies_and_viewpoints "In an October 5, 2026, Truth Social post, Trump used anti-LGBT slurs against Andrews, calling her “Annie Trannie”. Andrews is not transgender.[31] The post was widely condemned.[32][33] Several days after Trump’s post, Andrews released an ad saying that she opposed “biological men playing women’s sports” and would not allow “gender surgery for minors”.
This is fucking crazy. I’ve seen others do this before. Trump threw a slur at her and she basically said “Actually, thank you Donald, I’m on your side!”
When this bitch lose the first voting block theyll throw under the bus is transfolk.
I used to get so angry that minorities would vote against their interest in dems, but then I started to work towards becoming a better ally and realized how infuriating it must be for these privileged fucking centrists constantly vote against minority group interests and then beg minorities to show up when Trump started negatively impacting everyone’s way of life. When will the lesson be learned that we all do better when we all support one another?
Ever stop to think that maybe she’s not a Democrat but running as one? Do you seriously think MAGA and the republicans are above planting their own amongst us??
Divisionism is what wins them elections. And divisionism is what is preached here every fucking day. That’s what I’m fucking tired of.
If you think this bitch is a republican plant based on her transphobia then whewwwww buddy are you gonna be shocked when you discover how many top ranking dems are actually Republicans.
Calling out bigotry is not divisionism. The big tent party has enough room for everyone that wants to join, the only problem is there are too many empty chairs reserved for moderate Republicans that don’t like trump, as a result, there’s no seats for trans folk.
Well if she’s a republican plant then what’s the problem with not voting for her?
There’s not even a little problem with not voting for her. The point is that people are holding her beliefs against the entire party like idiots.
I am a little frustrated, because I’ve been saying for like 3 years. If they didn’t stop at genocide than they’ll be nothing they won’t compromise on. Back in 2023 I was arguing with other trans people saying that the liberals weren’t on their side and they would throw them under the bus the moment it became politically acceptable to do so. Being dependent on a liberal party is more like being held hostage instead of gaining actual power.
Constantly chastising people that they have to support liberal politics anyway, even if they’re doing imperialism (which isn’t at all new), just normalizes that those horrible things will always happen and cannot be changed, they’re just politically acceptable. Like it actually makes me feel like I’m going insane that genocide has become a normal, acceptable position, that we’ve realized after Palestine that most of the entire establishment are a bunch of Holden Bloodfeasts and things just keep going. Like, no, we’re frogs in a pot of water being boiled. Imperialism isn’t normal or okay.
the liberals weren’t on their side and they would throw them under the bus the moment it became politically acceptable to do so
So you decided to ally with Trump instead?
US elections are a zero sum game with two sides and only two sides
That means all anti-dem propaganda in the election is pro-rep propaganda
If you’re saying to support socialists like Abdul in the primaries, I agree with you. But you’re not saying that. You’re saying not to trust Dems to be any better than Reps. That’s Rep propaganda. The rules of the game say you’re accidentally helping Trump.
There will never be a third party, the maths on FPTP don’t support it. And you’re not campaigning for voter reply reform. You’re campaigning for people to abstain and let Trump have two more years of supermajority.
You’ve already had a chance to educate yourself on the maths of FPTP. Whether your bad faith is moral or intellectual doesn’t matter, you’re a fascist collaborator and you’re attacking our rights as trans people. I have family in America and I don’t want them to die, so be quiet.
These are midterms. Every election is local. Every district has different candidates. Unless you have points about a specific race, you’re not discussing the election, just partisan vibes. FPTP is applied to each individual race, not the aggregate that make up legislatures.
A transphobe is not on our side regardless of their listed party preference. In my experience, bigots never pick party over prejudice. I live in america and care about my own safety. FPTP is an insidius system that forces us to pick the least bad option.
I don’t think its a good thing to be accusing other politically engaged trans people of being fascists for making the best choice they are able given the specifics of of their ballot just because it goes against your broad strokes view that ignores them.
Have some sympathy for your siblings these are bad times for us.
This is liberal yaKKKubian tricknology make people believe that advocating for dual power is a bad thing. I’m not impressed that you’re quite literally trying to emotionally manipulate people into thinking that not supporting liberal politics is amoral. That only makes sense if you collapse of all reality into two outcomes “democrats win” and “republicans win.” That’s like absolutely defeatist, believing the only options that exist are government approved ones. that kind of attitude will let horrors go on forever without ever being challenged, I would genuinely rather die than just lie down and accept that. I support worker power so that both parties can’t oppress us and we can stop them from terrorizing the rest of the world.
Mutual aid is great! But we’re talking about an election in two days. If you write the name of the mutual aid group on your ballot, you’ve abstained.
People with the vision and strategy to do the right thing at the right time do mutual aid. People like us distribute hormones. People like you just complain on the internet. I’m glad that we strategists got you those hormones, but it doesn’t make you a warrior. It just makes you alive.
So if you’re not going to attend a protest or paint a crosswalk or run in a primary or get an over prescription, please be quiet and let the strategists work. We don’t need you making our work harder. It’s not gonna be as easy to distribute hormones if Trump declares martial law, and that’s what you’ve been helping.
The strategists decided that the best course of action is to tell anti-genocide protesters to stfu about genocide and vote blue no matter who. As well as yelling at genocidee to stfu and get genocided quietly.
Brilliant strategy. Did you guys try “Orange Man Bad” or telling voters “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” Or not yet?
You’re not an anti-genocide protester, you’re a lying whinger. In order to be a protester, you have to actually get out of your bed and go to a protest. This isn’t a protest, it’s a whinge. And it may well be a successful whinge in its goal of getting people to stay home so Trump can run for a third term and you can have that trans genocide you’re desperate for.
So of course I’m getting to tell you to STFU, you genocide supporter. Every minute you’re arguing with Me in the bowels of this comment section is a minute you’re not talking to potential voters. You’re never going to stop trying to kill trans people, but at least you can be trying to talk Me into killing My family instead of someone who might listen to your lies.
Right. We’re all supposed to ignore the actual genocide carried out under the supervision and support of the Democrats and pretend anyone not willing to blindly support the genocide enabling democratic party is “desperate for trans genocide” lol.
Do you know if Democrats regret stealing the presidency from Bernie Sanders?
Trans people ain’t abstaining on Tuesday, it’ll be the cis people who are willing to let us all die so they can feel like the purest ally.
There’s going to be a lot of people that don’t vote for various reasons, and while I want them all to vote, I understand that the opposition isn’t doing enough to make encourage people to vote.
I believe in free will. People are responsible for their own actions. Joe Biden is a shithead, but he doesn’t have a mind control beam to force people to stay home.
That’s why I believe trans people will vote in greater proportion than cis people.
