Smoking in flight should be turned mandatory for the whole length of the flight… that would reduce air traffic enough to match ecological needs.
How much do the kids have to smoke? I assume it’s proportional to carry on allowance?
They can smoke as adults, anyway, on a 10 hours flight in confined air with hundreds of passengers lighting a new cigaret with the previous one, the air would be that charged in second hand smoke that the filter of the cigaret may allow to breath better… not sure… Also, you would not wonder why the babies cry, and we would probably soon agree that their answer to the situation is the correct one (even if it is very hard to smoke while crying).
I wonder if there will be a remembrance culture for the mass deaths caused by climate change like there is for germans with the holocaust. Like: “Grandma, why did great grandad not do anything to stop the death of hundreds of millions when everyone knew it was going to happen?”
I think you’re being a wee bit too optimistic about this whole future thing, emmissions are still rising and we’re heading into massive worldwide famines and droughts in the forseeable future.
Yes but humanity wont be wiped out, it will just suffer a lot. Maybe it will be billions of dead even, but we will figure something out as we always do and then we will say “wasnt so bad after all right?” and learn nothing from it.
90% of earths topsoil is at risk of depletion by 2050
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030
Global human population has surpassed Earth’s sustainable carrying capacity.
Global carbon emissions are still rising
The world is likely to exceed a key global warming target soon but the earths alebedo with the declining sea ice and lack of cloud cover will impact these numbers massively and isn’t being predicted for, which means that 4.5c above the baseline by 2060 is now possible.
Oh and this El Nino is so powerful the fucking graph needed to be made bigger today and all of the above is and will continue to be impacted by this as it progresses.
So yeah, unless we can somehow rapidly evolve physics defying magic to handwave all our problems away before basically everything dies, basically everything will die.
You can put quite a lot of nines after the decimal point if more than 99% of people die without humanity reaching its lowest population in history, so the post you’re replying to is right that humans are likely to persevere, and knowing humans, there’s a good chance that if industrial civilisation starts again (which is less likely - you need lots of accessible cheap coal to make it worth putting up with rudimentary steam engines long enough to develop good ones), lessons won’t be learned and we’ll pollute ourselves to death again.
With no soil to grow food in and a climate too hot and unstable to support crop growth, we’re not going to be persevering for very long.
Humans have existed a lot longer than crop growth.
Cool cool, so what are we going to eat then?
With all the pollinators dying off over the next +1.5c, and 90% of the top soil depleted by 2050, and ever more erratic climates world wide, plants will not grow.
The oceans will very soon be so hot and acidic that the phytoplancton at the base of the oceans ecosystem, will dissolve. So sea food isn’t going to be an option either.
Oooh, maybe animals on land, right? Well, yeah no, without crops livestock is unsustainable and considering humans and livestock currently makes up 95% of the worlds mammal biomass and the remaining 5% can’t survive without food… looks like that’s not going to be an option for feeding the ‘persevering’ either.
2 people arent enough. Who is going to repopulate the Earth? Elon Musk? With what? His male buddies? They going to invent male pregnancy?
2 isn’t.
You’d need about 50 for a healthy diversity of genes.
But that is still only 0.00000055% of the current population
They used to have a lounge with a bar on the airplane. With smoking inside. Would you even notice a 6 hour flight? 2 martinis and a stop by the mile high club and you’re already at LAX
What’s the mile high club?
Snoop Doggs private jet.
Ask your mum
She’s too busy getting fucked in an airplane shitter.
It’s not a place or group, it’s an interval of time. Approximately 15 seconds.
When you engage in coitus at altitude, typically on an aircraft.
This still existed on domestic flights in China up until 2020. Now the only people who have this much freedom are the few older Chinese pilots who got medical exemptions and can still smoke until they retire.
Wait what? Chinese commercial airline pilots can get a “medical exemption” (from whom???) that says they’re allowed to smoke in the cockpit of the commercial flight they’re piloting?
What?? What possible medical condition would a doctor ever recommend this for??
This cannot possibly be true right?
Lead is a helluva drug.
I’ll never pass up an opportunity to post this
According to this graph, Gen X is the problem
Anything other than dark blue is dangerous levels. It’s Gen X and most of the Boomers.
But according to this graph, millennials born roughly 1980-1985 have worse early life lead blood levels on average than boomers born 1945-1947
hey, lead blinds were delicious.
And the average ticket was far more money back then as well. It was an event. You spent all that money so you dressed up for it. That’s the difference between a luxury and a commodity.
Prices were also regulated and fixed by the federal government. The federal government through the Civil Aeronautics Board set ALL domestic flight fares based on a fixed distance calculation.
Airlines literally couldn’t compete on price, so they competed on perks.
In 1977, just prior to the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, the average round trip domestic flight was ~$135. That’s about $746 today. Round trip NY to LA was $148.20, or $820 today. Just looking at google flights for the next 6 months, The cheapest I can find pretty consistently for the same route is $239, and the highest I see is around Thanksgiving and Christmas for around $540.
Call it enshittification, call it whatever. Flying is so much more accessible and cheaper than ever. And that has its benefits and drawbacks. The drawback is that people now look at price first and foremost and are generally unwilling to pay more for the perks beyond a little more legroom. The benefit is that it’s ridiculously easy to just pack a backpack and go on a weekend trip across the country for dirt cheap.
The drawback is that people now look at price first and foremost and are generally unwilling to pay more for the perks beyond a little more legroom.
The bigger drawback would be the enviromental damage but I get where you’re going.
Well, yeah I’m just talking from a consumer standpoint.
Total global aviation only accounts for 2.5-3% of global CO2 emissions. Energy generation is 74-75% of global CO2 emissions. There are much bigger fish to fry on emissions.
Not disagreeing in general, but under a “fixed distance calculation” a NYC-LAX flight would have been quite expensive but today it’s driven more by market efficiency and NYC-LAX is one of the most market-efficient flights so they can charge less per seat. You might get different results comparing something like LAX-Des Moines or NYC-Little Rock. Or maybe not.
Literally everything. You know credit scores were invented by boomers?!
Man it’s almost like as soon as banks were legally required to stop discriminating against women and black folks, they invented backdoor methods of accomplishing it
You know Boomers didn’t have credit scores until after they had GenX and Millennials? Boomers didn’t grow up with as much red tape as we do
*if they were white
And male
Yeah women didn’t have bank accounts without a “hubby”
So now we see where we went wrong? /s
Yeah, women should have gotten their rights much earlier.
Not that it should have to be either or, but I’ll take less leg room over their gross smoke-filled cabin any day.
It’s going to be standing seats before too long. All the airline CEOs have been drooling over those for years.
I want to punch the person that came up with this idea and forced the engineers to design it
Do like the standing roller coasters! Then we can just use AI to fly the planes (no need for high cost/high stressed pilots). If the AI flies like shit, everyone is already secured with metal shoulder thingies to keep from flying (pun intended) all over the cabin.
But how to deal with bathroom breaks? Mandatory catheters! The cost of “sanitizing” between flights surely isn’t that much, and if people refuse - they can be held liable for any accidents.
/s
They’ll sometimes hand you a small off brand clorox wipe to clean of the catheter before you use it
It’ll probably radically shift to laying down. They’ve wanted to bring this seating arrangement back for a lot longer
I remember being shown pictures like this in school as a kid and the images have never left my mind.
Fully crossing a fucking ocean like that.
Humans are the fucking worst.
We should ship them accross the ocean and pack them in like sardines. That will teach them.
A Canadian comedy site on CBC radio had a fake story about how flights could get cheaper if people stood for the entire flight.
Hundreds of listeners from Alberta and Western Canada called in to support the idea.
Bonus points: they simply wont take you if you are above a certain weight.
So now we’re complaining about the enshittification of everything driven by the need to maximize profit in a capitalist system and blaming it on our grandparents? More divisive intergenerational warfare bullshit. If you want to find who to blame for this shit look at the capitalists demanding more and more profit from airlines, manufacturers, literally every part of the economy. It always comes down to class war.
If our grandparents had taken a stand back then and stopped buying shit these corporations would have never gotten so bold. Yeah we should start now (and many are) but we’re in a much worse position than they were.
Gen Z is just as hooked with propaganda and brainrot from social media, if not more so. It’s insane how consumerist the younger generations are, falling for scam after scam, I think it’s peptides now.
This generational warfare shit is insane. Many boomers are working at Walmart because they don’t have enough to retire and are also getting fucked over. There are plenty of poor, progressive bloomers, just as there are an astounding number of gen z conservatives and red pill bros.
Let’s admit that no one is immune to propaganda, and unfortunately most people in all generations are quick to fall for right wing bs.
Many boomers are working at Walmart because they don’t have enough to retire and are also getting fucked over
And then they go and vote straight R. Every time. Religiously.
‘If you’re poor and work at Walmart it’s because you’re conservative and voted to suffer’ sure is a great way to kick poor Democrats and drive away poor independents.
Maybe they should stop voting against their interests.
I don’t know what world you’re living in where the venn diagram of boomer Walmart greeters and Fox News viewers isn’t a huge overlap?
Maybe it varies by area and California is full of leftist boomer Walmart greeters, I don’t know.
I think its more nuanced than that, you have to remember that we have the internet, while our grandparents did not. Its harder to notice enshittification without it, imo.
I don’t need to the internet to see the product I’m looking at in the store is of lesser quality or smaller amount than the previous one.
Yes, but what about the hundreds or thousands of products you dont keep track of? Anecdotally speaking, I see way more posts online than if I were to go to the store myself. Collective mind is a powerful thing.
I suppose I wouldn’t recognize the enshittification of those products. The people purchasing them regularly would though. Everyone would have their particular set of products they’d be knowledgeable enough about. All together society as a whole could have stood against this shit and smothered it before it took off rather than us having to deal with the raging inferno it is today.
Thank you. I’m always having to point out that boomers haven’t been voting significantly more conservative than liberal, and younger generations haven’t been voting significantly more liberal than conservative. It’s a stereotype, and an incorrect one. In fact, in 2024, GenX voted more conservative than boomers did.
Am I crazy or does the image you post directly contradict what your comment says? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
Like it almost seems like you got the what the red and blue represent swapped entirely in your mind? Like you’ve somehow read it backwards of something.
If you look at the 2024 election numbers there is barely a red margin for boomers (65+). It’s men 50+ that have a significantly larger likelihood to vote Republican.
Boomers are older than 50. They’re included in that group.
The youngest boomers were born in 1964 (the last year of that generation), so they were 60 for the 2024 election. So yes, there a little overlap because the poll age ranges aren’t exactly the same as the generational ones, but the older boomers would be 70, so mostly in that bottom bar.
Yes, the bottom bar that also went for Trump based on the chart.
The only bottom bar that didn’t go to Trump is women 50+, and they went +1% toward D.
Every other boomer cohort goes right (weirdly, to the left on the chart which is why I suspect it’s been read incorrectly).
Is this really enshittification?
Prior to the deregulation of the airlines under Carter, the federal government fixed all domestic airfares. Airlines could not compete against each other on price and could only compete on perks. Flying was insanely expensive. NY to LA was $820 in today’s dollars and you couldn’t just shop around airlines for a better price, while you can get the same flight for less than $240 now.
It’s not like flying got shittier while also getting more expensive. Flying is cheaper than it ever has been. The perks went down, sure. But so did the price. By a LOT.
Not really disagreeing with you, but I was curious if that $240 includes all the crazy fees they tack on now.
Yeah that is all in, fare, fees, and taxes. Flying is dirt cheap lol.
I feel like it should be expensive because of the externalized costs , but I don’t have any real data for that
They call them “externalized costs” specifically because they can ignore them. Things like pollution don’t cost a firm money in a measurable way unless they’re carbon taxed or something like that.
long distance calls from airplanes were $5 a minute.
This post misses two aspects: flying used to be an expensive luxury, only, and smoking on flights was fucking disgusting.
Yep, the 1% laugh their asses off about us fighting between ourselves.
Exactly, the 1% love it when its race fighting or blaming boomers or anybody else but them. Sad to see as they keep getting away with it.
I mean yeah, but those classes do have some demographics associated with them. The average age of the wealthiest Americans is 65-68, the average age of a CEO is 61, and the average age of a member of the Senate is 66 years old.
I don’t think that class war precludes intergenerational disputes, it’s hard to completely separate class from culture, and culture from the age of the generation.
How do you know that that’s generational rather than, “it takes some time to accumulate wealth, to rise to the position of CEO, or to build a political career enough to become a senator”?
When smoking was deemed healthy because the tobacco lobby made studies which somehow proved smoking is not harmful or smth, which is why I don’t trust “““““““““scientific studies“““““““““ and first and foremost trust my gut. Studies can be an indicator.
The bigger a certain industry is and the more reliant a society is based on that branch the more im suspicious.
Things that help and solve root causes of problems don’t bring returning revenue.
A healed patient is a lost customer etc etc
Studies are a lot more reliable than your gut.
They are made by experts. People who have spend their entire lives researching and testing a specific subject. Their opinion is worth a lot more than yours.
Yes, some of these people can be bought by big corporations, but percent wise it is still a massive improvement over your gut. Since you can be convinced by a facebook post.
People smoked inside the aircraft?!
Aircraft mechanics used to be able to tell where the fuselage was cracked because there were usually nicotine stains on it.
Cuba’s national carrier was apparently the last sizable airline to ban smoking, in 2014.
Yes. In old planes every seat has an ashtray.
In the US the restrooms on planes still have an ashtray. Even though it’s a serious crime to smoke on a plane, it’s better to have a safe place to extinguish a butt rather than risk a trashcan fire at 10,000 ft.
Same in Europe (Ryanair), but it’s right next to a scary notice about smoke detectors being installed and criminal responsibility for endangering the flight.
I was in a plane where an idiot apparently triggered the smoke alarm. I don’t know if it had any consequences but they made a very cryptic and like a threat sounding announcement afterwards and put the toilet out of order.
You could book a smoking or non-smoking seat. Air France (for a while in the 90s at least) had alternating smoking and non-smoking rows, so non-smokers were completely fucked.
Unrelated to what we’re talking about, but I still remember briefly switching to Winstons in the 90s because I saw an ad with Frank Zappa smoking one on the back of a rolling stone magazine. I still remember that every time I see Winstons in any context.
It’s horrifying how effective that marketing was.
That TWA branded goes hard
It also used to be obscenely more expensive to fly
you weren’t getting the equivalent of ryanairs £13 gatwick to holland flights
Prices to fly seem pretty obscene right now tbf. Transatlantic over $700 per seat round trip at my last look.
My stepfather was a lifelong smoker. He smoked a full pack of Marlboro reds every day, and my mom smoked a full pack of menthols. I calculated out how much they spent yearly on cigarettes alone and it came to over $5000, and that was in the late 90’s; it’s probably much higher these days. Both of them had been smoking since the 70’s.
When I talked to them about quitting, they both said that they enjoyed smoking too much, it’s a stress relief, it’s something to do, etc. They were aware of the health risks, but believed the risks were overblown and that emphysema is an “old person’s” disease.
Last year he was diagnosed with stage 3 emphysema. The man is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-as-nails army vet boomer, and his obstinate machismo made him ignored years of poor health and lung disease symptoms all to finally end up as an old person with an “old person’s” disease. Credit to him though, he did quit cold turkey the day his doctors delivered the diagnosis; the same obstinacy that pushed him to never give up smoking is what pushed him to quit. Me and my family love the hell out of him, and we’re glad that he finally quit, but it’s so aggravating that there are still so many people out there who discount the risks of smoking.
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My mom never quit and died from COPD. My dad did quit back in 1981 but still had congestive heart failure later in kifecand had no chance when he got the 'rona.
Both of my sisters smoke. One sister has already had a heart attack.
In my country there were ads that showed a smoker who had emphysema as part of an anti-smoking campaign.
They described it like taking a deep breath and then exhaling just a small puff, then inhaling that puff and repeating forever until you die.
Sorry for your stepfathers diagnosis.
Every time sometime says they smoke a pack (if not more) a day, it blows my mind.
That’s twenty cigarettes. I mean Jesus Christ people, like how??
I’ve never been able to make it through a full cigarette before feeling nauseous and putting it out.
I’m aware how tolerance works, but 20 cigarettes every day just seems insane to me.
My mom smoked 2 packs a day until at least her mid 40s, after staring at age 10. I have no idea when she stopped because I went almost no contact after moving out at 17.
She appeared in excellent health until a massive stroke at 77. Barely recovered then died of the flu at 80. This is after years of going vegan and walking 10+ miles per day.
Mind you, she was antivax, trending heavily towards anti medicine and anti science. As a former very well regarded biochemist.
It’s almost an impressive feat… To be able to consistently smoke forty cigarettes per day every day, for decades.
