Can I get a smug lecture on how you’re choosing the third, disconnected track?
Issue is the following:
In many cases, there are the same exact things on the top track too, because the consultants told the democrats that if they tie them too to the tracks, people will pull the lever for them. For every Californian not pulling the lever, there will be 4-5 hillbillies from the deep south doing so.
I did my duty, i held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils.
But there’s no sensible reason to blame genocide opposing progressives instead of the genocide supporting DNC who stubbornly refused to advance policies their own base wanted.
The DNC decided to risk democracy in order to save a genocide - possibly the single most irresponsible decision in the 21st century. Blame them, they deserve it.
Their job was to defend the white empire’s intrests. Democracy was never a value of theirs
Thus the trolly
Multiple groups can be blamed. The DNC deserves more blame than anyone who refused to vote, but all the people saying “if you vote for Kamala, you love genocide” deserve some blame too, because anyone with a brain knew that a lot more people were going to get hurt under Trump.
Wonder who they’ll run in 2028. If there’s an election in 2028.
Anyone with a brain knew the Dems were gonna lose supporting genocide. Even Trump met with the Palestinian imams the Harris campaign snubbed. Even Trump said there had to be a ceasefire. Sure, he was lying, but Biden & Harris wouldn’t even do that?
It would have been a lot cooler if she hadn’t thrown the election in a highly predictable manner.
So, you’re mad the dems had a level of transparency on their politics and didn’t lie straight to iur faces saying they wouldn’t do something they were obviously going to do?
That’s fucking stupid, you see that, right? If you’re going to dight that fight, at least do it better, is all I’m asking, because you’re being a dumbass about it. You’re hitting yourself.
No, you’re missing the fucking point. You JUST SAID that the Dems couldn’t take those positions because they would lose BUT THE REPUBS TOOK THOSE POSITIONS AND FUCKING WON SO YOU’RE FUCKING WRONG
Getting emotional is usually a good seen you feel confident in what you’re saying. I believe you. You’re so right.
Ad hominem + wowww youre so cool not getting emotional about genocide, really cool guy, wowwww, I’m going to vote for democrats and buy a Tesla now.
The elections are not a one time event. Yes, more people may suffer for 4 years, but if it builds momentum for an actually good 3rd party or at least reforming the DNC, it could have been worth it. But stupidly painting anyone who wants something better then just a Democrat win as an enemy that supports Trump ensures it can’t happen. It’s not that there are no rails to the third track. It’s that people like the author of the meme actively rips them out with the “voting 3rd party is a waste of vote” bullshit. If you ask me, voting for more politically correct genocide is a waste of vote. If you are choosing for the lesser of two genocides, you are alredy fucked either way.
No excuse for people who don’t vote at all tho.
if it builds momentum for an actually good 3rd party or at least reforming the DNC, it could have been worth it.
Tell that to all the families of kids that died because of the DOGE cuts.
We’re going to hear people saying “it was a good strategy though - shame it didn’t work out” while they’re on voter lines being patrolled by armed guard, just like in Russia. Even if elections are for show, “both sides” people will not admit they were wrong.
Voting for a 3rd party is a waste of a vote until that 3rd party has representatives in lower forms of government. The only bipartisan support we’ll see during a 3rd party term is when both parties work together to undermine the 3rd party President. It’s magical thinking to believe a 3rd party President will get anything accomplished without lower representation.
Take your strawman argument somewhere else. I never said or implied I was talking only about the presidential elections. You can vote for 3rd party president, sentaor, and congressman in the same election. Also for state and local 3rd party candidates.
And of course the DOGE fearmongering. Oh no, we can’t vote for change because of DOGE cuts! Sure, countless poeple are dying because of lack of healthcare, pollution, homlessness, … But we can’t try to do anything about that, because we will die of DOGE cuts! /s
Be upset that I’m reminding you of the failures brought on by protest and 3rd party voters. The vast majority do nothing between elections except post online about it.
DOGE and Iran wouldn’t have happened if Kamala was elected. Think of that every time you’re at the pump looking at those higher prices, if you’re old enough to drive.
Be upset that I’m reminding you of the failures brought on by protest and 3rd party voters.
The democrats lost because they ran a dogshit candidate and refused to change course from any of their many unpopular fantasies, yet you freaks insist they’re absolved of all guilt. The party cannot fail, it can only be failed.
People have been electing democrats on and off for over a century. Yet it changed nothing. But sure, 3rd party voting is the thing that can’t succeed. Doing the same thing again and again hoping for a different outcome is clearly the smarter thing to do.
But sure, if we just accept genocide and vote for it, at least the gas will be cheaper. Sure. Why not.
People have been electing democrats on and off for over a century. Yet it changed nothing.
Wrong, and there’s literally decades of legislation that you can review to see for yourself.
Go vote for 3rd party local government officials. If you want a 3rd party to be viable, this is the way.
I wake up every day not supporting a genocide. I wonder what’s so hard about it for the DNC. Boy do they love killing.
It’s the Zionists and their money. Conspiracy theorists were right all along unfortunately, with Israel doing everything possible to validate them.
But in an election once the candidates are locked between
“We’ll give money to the Israelis and they’ll kill Palestinians”
and
“We’ll give money to the Israelis and they’ll kill Palestinians, but also we want to get rid of Latinos and LGBTQ people, also poor people should lose the little healthcare they do have and hey there’s probably more bullshit we’re gonna pull, but some of it’s so stupid we haven’t even thought of it yet”
I can’t see how anyone with a brain would not vote against #2.
Donald Trump won completely legitimately and in addition to the 77.3 million Trump voters, there are about 90 million other eligible voters to blame for the kidnapping of Maduro, the war in Iran, the stupid ass tariffs, and so many other things. That’s what they all were willing to accept.
the war in Iran
I can’t see how anyone with a brain would not vote against #2.
I love reading all of the replies to your comment that illustrate this sentence so clearly.
I can’t see how anyone with a brain would not vote against #2.
Because you’ve been around long enough to have been in this situation before. Voting #1 is at best a stop-gap measure. Option #1 doesn’t do anything to fix the underlying problem, and in fact, the next time around, #2 is way worse. (As is #1.) And this pattern keeps repeating. It doesn’t matter which you choose, you’ll end up with #2, just a bit later. (We’ve reached the stage at which genocide support is the lesser evil, fer chrissakes.)
As an analogy, the situation we have with the two parties is like a choice faced by person with Type 2 diabetes: Fall into a hypoglycemic coma right now and maybe die, or consume sugar by the spoonful. The second option is the correct choice, obviously. But next time around, it’s the same choice, and again after that. This person can choose the lesser evil every time, but it still leads to death.
So, painful and unlikely at it may be, some voters are thinking beyond the immediate moment and want to at least try to avoid the death of democracy.
at this point i’d take stop-gap
this all gas no brakes into collapse is so much worse than milquetoast corpo democrat
Indeed, but there’s never a good time for collapse. It wouldn’t be any more enjoyable in 2030, if it were happening then instead.
i mean it can happen in 2080
You’re literally just vomiting accelerationist rhetoric.
So, no matter what, we are just inevitably fucked regardless of what we do, so let’s just hammer on the gas harder to let fascism win and destroy everything and get it over with? Do you not see how that is just authoritarian absolutism?
What kind of rollover defeatist cuck shit is this? Your stance is theologically conservative accelerationism, point blank.
That’s a bad faith interpretation.
Parties are coalitions that change over time. The neoliberal wing of the Democratic party has been ascendant since the Clinton years. But they are declining now. And the sole reason is that their brand is proving incapable of actually winning elections. If a party keeps winning, the people running the party maintain credibility and business as usual just keeps trucking along. Parties can only undergo fundamental change after losing a few cycles. It took the 3 losses of the Reagan and Bush Sr. years before something like Clinton’s triangulation strategy had any hope of winning support among the Democratic party.
I’m still struggling to not read that as accelerationism. How is that not accelerationism?
You still supported the extermination of a whole population that are currently getting exterminated. Despite the oppression of the groups you are mentioning none are facing eminent extermination with mass murder and starvation and the destruction of the majority . No wonder the rest of the non western world hate you american scums
Under the Biden/Harris leadership, Israel bombed every single school and hospital in Gaza and put in action the most brutal phase of the genocide, while whitewashing it all at the same time with their help. Tell us about it dipshit, how would less people get hurt under Harris? I would love to hear it.
how would less people get hurt under Harris?
A lot of people in Iran wouldn’t get hurt.
This is cope. The current dem leadership is totally on board with the war in Iran, and if the current administration hadn’t started it, Israel would almost certainly have dragged a hypothetical Harris administration into one anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. We can never know whether she would have done that.
I highly doubt Harris would have got involved in a prolonged war. Maybe a strike to satisfy Israel, but honestly I find that hard to believe too.
Oh well in a few months we all will be hurting from the oil shortages regardless
Well, that’s exactly what you did when you stated it as fact that she wouldn’t’ve hurt as many people in Iran 🤷♀️
The several decade of American sanctions are killing more then the bombs during this war. Iran is going to get stronger once the evil american empire surrender
So … you’re saying going to war against Iran is a good thing?
There was a third option do not go to war with Iran and lift all sanctions on them
And fewer people would be brutalized by ICE
You’re actually wrong about that. Obama deported way more than trump. 3 million over 8 years, where trump deported 1.2 million over 4. Thomas Homan at ICE created the policy to separate children from their parents at the border. He was an Obama appointee and Obama gave him an award for distinguished service. He gave that award after Homan proposed family separations.
Biden deported 4.5 million. Trump has deported 675k in his first year. He’ll have a hard time catching up to Obama or Biden.
I’m not defending republicans here, they are awful. But pretending things would be better under this cabal of democratic party leadership is just complete BS that you like to pretend its true. Its not true. Thats part of why Dem voters are mad at the dem leaders.
While we’re on the subject, Dems killed more Palestinians than Republicans did.
You’re making an extremely dishonest comparison by lumping all deportation together.
Border deportations are mostly a function of arrivals. Someone comes in, and gets denied. When they’re walking back across the border, that’s a deportation. You can make a LOT of laws, but you’re not likely to influence that much.
Interior deportation is what people are bothered by. Obama shifted to deporting illegals with criminal records. Trump is just grabbing people off the street, regardless of what they did, and often regardless of status.
Then there’s the fact that Trump has made it intentionally hard to track data. Under Obama and Biden the data was clear and available, and for trump’s 2nd run, everything is being covered up and no data is available anymore. So it’s mostly guesswork.
12 day old .ml account rooting for Republicans to win. So unoriginal
Ad hominem, so unoriginal
Still waiting for a response… 😔
Add some realpolitik:
The GOP largely controls the messaging, due to owning the majority of media, as well as being more likely to have degrees in communications and sales, while Democratic candidates tend to have degrees in hard sciences.
The very moment the DNC did anything to hinder the genocide, every news stations would have a picture of local and national Democratic candidates with photoshopped Hitler mustaches.
I’d say it’s the party in power is actually doing it.
Well then you don’t understand how American politics works. It’s the entirety of the US government. It’s laws put in place by Democrats that Trump is using. And it’s not like the Ds aren’t crossing the aisle every other week to vote with Rs on some heinous shit. And it’s not like the Ds ever pulled back on military expansion, or expansion of ICE and DHS, or domestic surveillance.
it actually rules not voting for zionists. im writing in someone else for my rep as well as all the unopposed races
🤣 Writing in the GOP candidate’s name is the same as filling in their box. I guess when you write it in you get to act like you’re better than everyone else though and that’s what really matters. I love how all your comments are about how good you think your farts smell lol
i love how all your comments are calling people you disagree with russian, between the xenophobia and reading issues you have more in common with republicans than you care to admit
“rep” means “representative,” not “Republican,” you troglodyte.
Woosh
The democrats are also running over most of those others as well promising to outflank the republicans on cruelty to immigrants and imperialism and currently throwing trans people off the bus never mind you kind of course derail the trolley.
Growing up on the Mexican side of the border, that Mexican flag should be the other way. The “friendly democrats” would often say things to me like: “If we don’t let Mexicans in, who’s going to pick the fruit / clean the house / make good breakfast burritos” gee thanks
My general experience has been that the average centrist Democrat sees immigrants as “good cheap labor”, not people.
While it is true that centrist democrats don’t really see other ethnicites as people speaking broadly, they’ll still view an individual immigrant as a person.
When I go over to a democrats home they can be ignorant about what’s happening with migrants, but there no doubt in mind I’ll get to leave safely.
I celebrated thanksgiving with one of my friend’s family that is conservative, and there was a part of me that wondered if I would get to leave alive. It’s as if they were trying to rage bait me by saying the most heinous shit while brandishing guns and holding their holster when I turned to speak. Another time, I was with my partner’s family and her brother who’s a manager of a grocery store was complaining that he wished he could ban all non English speakers from coming into the store.
Both are not the best, but I can speak freely with democrats whereas a conservative may blow my head off if I say something they disagree with.
Oh yeah, there’s a huge gulf between the two. Both are pretty shitty, but one is cartoon villain shitty.
It frustrates me that the US doesn’t have an off ramp out of this. They really need that third option (or fourth or fifth), but there’s no realistic way to get to it electorally in a timeframe that matters.
Maybe something like “the top one only ties one arm across the tracks”? Like, you’re getting fucked, but not quite as badly?
It frustrates me that the US doesn’t have an off ramp out of this. They really need that third option (or fourth or fifth)
They really need an electoral system that makes a third or fourth or fifth option viable, like proportional representation or ranked choice of some kind. But…
there’s no realistic way to get to it electorally in a timeframe that matters.
I suspect that timeframe may be decades. You’d have to educate enough people who aren’t yet dug into " this is how we’ve always done it" about the problems of the system, convince them of a better alternative and, macabre as it may sound, wait for the old and stubborn “I don’t want to learn anything new” to die off.
There weren’t even enough third party votes in total that could have swayed the election for Kamala.
Why are you wasting energy punching left?
Grow up
Persuading people to vote 3rd party is just one piece of the puzzle. Some will vote 3rd, others stay home and some morons can be convinced to vote for the pedophile party. It adds up.
3rd parties are also convenient in sewing doubt in the D candidate. If you show people there’s an obscure party that will offer world peace and free healthcare, D voters will be disappointed in their candidate, but the R voters don’t even hear the message.
The US election system is complete garbage, but you have to play with the D or R rules.
The US election system is complete garbage, but you have to play with the D or R rules.
You don’t have to at all. And the line of reasoning that makes someone vote for democrats despite their many many many issues, is a line of reasoning that logically concludes at voting third party.
All right, a third Trump term it is!
It would be functionally similar to a democrat, so yes, in essence your line of reasoning leads to a third trump term no matter what.
Truly the fashos are the same as the entire establishment. Feel free to keep enabling the nazis while patting yourself on the back. The political system in the US practically does not allow for third parties, and even if you manage to replace one party with something better that doesn’t solve the fundamental long term issue. Pushing for electoral reform one way or another does not mean you can’t at least put in a meaningful vote against the fashos.
Feel free to keep enabling the nazis while patting yourself on the back.
Sorry, I just said I won’t vote for democrats
So you’ll get either your 3rd party candidate (you won’t), or Trump’s third. Hard to see why you’d want that, but I guess we all have our reasons.
There’s too few groups tied to the Democrat’s track, this meme is inaccurate
Dems have supported ICE for decades and still do
A ton of Dems are actively throwing trans people under the bus, joining Republicans in voting for Apartheid toilet bills and shit
Dems have also wholeheartedly supported the War on Terror that killed and displaced millions of people and have barred muslims from conventions even last year simply for being muslims
Obama had more deportations than any other presidents and this was touted as a dunk on Trump. Obama also introduced the cages. For children.
Their ‘support’ for BLM was also completely performative. When it came to actual action, BLM protests were violently crushed, organizers criminalized or killed, police budgets skyrocketed and nothing fundamentally changed
Remember the ratchet system. Republicans make things worse. Dems make sure they never get better.
Y’all got an extremely shitty choice to make. Republicans need to be ousted. And expect better from these motherfuckers that call themselves Democrats too.
I prefer to call it the War of Terror, since it’s basically Americans enacting revenge for 9/11 on random Muslims
Hey Godric, how come you don’t try telling dems to actually be worth voting for instead of being an insufferable votescolding dickhead effectively telling strangers online that they should just put up with a marginally slower implementation of fascism? I mean, how did that work out for you last time?
votescolding dickhead
You wouldn’t have written this if you weren’t planning to vote against the far lesser evil. Good info to have.
No, actually, I’m not planning to vote for them, because I don’t live in the US. Fuck.
Hope you’re voting for the right candidates in your country, then. This isn’t just a US program.
Which country are you in, out of curiosity?
Youre literally on an instance called “infosec” and youre still dumb enough to ask people for personal information? Alright.
far lesser evil
Me, when the worst possible thing a politician can do is be fat, have a shitty haircut and wear a spraytan. At least, that’s what it has to be, since there are no other distinct differences.
Aggressively lying doesn’t change anything. Blocking you does.
Yet you choose to do both. Dont let me stop you from censoring yourself.
Another scold
Thanks tankie
TIL: Tankie is when you oppose genocide
“L-lesser evil 🥺”
This clown is a serial poster of shitty memes like this calling out leftists. His only excuse is usually “Well, well, we’ll, tis the season for LeFtIsTs to tell people not to vote!!”
This guy has no real convictions other than leftists bad. He’s a liberal dickrider through and through.
“the guy tying innocents to the track didn’t listen to me, but I yelled from my safe track about it so I can pretend I’m not in the trolley problem”
Your position is literally one of “dont be mad at the guy tying people to the tracks! Don’t yell at him! And you have to support him!!!” yet you dare talk about others doing wrong.
So, the primaries didn’t go well? Or hopefully you’re just reusing the meme from last time?
This is a 2 year old meme, yep! It’s funny how the same pattern of “both sides” peddled bullshit pops up right before an election.
It might be doing the Democrats a disservice, then, given that they may or may not have shifted towards opposing the genocide. (I couldn’t find a conclusive result by searching for the answer)
The only thing Democrats did was conclude they had to get more racist, as they do after every election wether they win or lose
They did not
“Don’t vote, they’re both the same! Vote for the obscure third party candidate, they pinky promised to fix everything just like you want it!”
Meanwhile, the US has a REPUBLICAN pedophile president whose worst act so far was to start a completely pointless war throwing the world into an economic crisis. He also dismantled the efforts of the previous DEMOCRAT president to advance green technology in the US. We still haven’t seen the full implications of it all. But yeah, both are the same, corporations control everything, no point in voting yadda yadda.
Holy shit, the number of people ITT where the message went right over their fucking head. Yes, OP, you got your smug lecture, as you prophesied. It’s insane how it doesn’t fit into people’s heads that you can work on getting better candidates/better positions/more sense into the DNC without indirectly supporting a full on fascist in the meantime.
What? Are you telling me it’s not just us vs. them? There’s nuance? Maybe even spectrums instead of binary choices? Get out of here with that nonsense. /s
In actuality the only difference would be the color on the tracks.
Completely false bad faith take. Hello Russian troll
Everyone Who Disagrees With Me Is A Foreigner and other racist conspiracy-psychosis for the liberal mind
seems to me that actively sabotaging any effort into making a connection to the third track so that no one has to die is a REAL ass hole move.
Cool, but we live in reality, I love your ideas, but this is the real world
the REAL world has the election far enough out that preemptive adoption of a genocide is an unnecessary evil.
the REAL world has the D also with the same heads on the rail as R.
the REAL world has idiots posting this as a trolley problem, thus validating everyone who didn’t vote.
the REAL world has people using propaganda like this, who’s REAL goal is the continuation of genocide.
Sounds like you’re a conspiracy nutter to me
We can try to do 2 things at once, but you can’t deny that all those people that chose not to vote “in protest” during the last presidential election didn’t seem to do a THING towards supporting a 3rd party or setting up ranked choice voting.
They protested by staying in, we got the worse option of the 2, more people are hurt than would have been under “the other guy”, and we have nothing good to show for it.
People who don’t want to vote didn’t even show up to the polls to write in a common name. Disappointing.
if that’s so then representing this as the troley problem is EXTRA poiniant.
the troley problem is a problem, because it’s answer is debated. with the whole argument being either utilitarian, or deontology.
you just validated everyone who didn’t vote, good jorb there.
and as a utilitarian myself, i have to give you guys props on that self own. because you altered the trolly problem, the only valid options are deontology, or building the track away from the D. amazing jorb
Maybe if you used you political system as intended instead of just telling people they’ve got to vote they’d engage more.
Yall know there are other means of political action that resigning yourself to picking which criminal the aristocracy lets you to vote for right?
Voting doesn’t impede your ability to do those other means of action.
Do both.
If there isn’t a party I can tolerate in the next UK election I will draw a giant knob on the ballot paper in disrespect of the shit options.
Instead of not voting, spoil your ballot. Reject this shit. Show that you want to vote and that none of the options presented are worth voting for.
Or vote third party? Is that an option? (Likely unviable, yes, but if they’re wasting their votes already, might as well compost them)
That is what I normally do but they don’t always run everywhere
A probably stupid idea I thought of is vote swapping (e.g. someone in a deep red state who wants their blue vote to matter and someone in a swing/blue state who wants to vote green without splitting their state’s vote swapping who they vote for and both benefitting)
Instead of not voting, spoil your ballot. Reject this shit. Show that you want to vote and that none of the options presented are worth voting for.
Many of our fellow lemms just can’t be bothered to do that. Can’t vote our way crew has some points, but the fact they aren’t willing to vote in primaries or spoil even means they are also not credible for higher level protests.
