How to pronounce Swedish umlauted vowels:
Å => how the British pronounce “awe”, “oo” in “floor”
Ä => how the Americans pronounce the “a” in “cat”
Ö => “ea” in “earl”, “yearn” or “u” in “turn”
ik about Å because blåhaj :3
Yep!
Pronounced bloo-hi approximately
In danish it’s more like blaw-hai (but without the wauv from the w)
Oh I’ll add the Estonian ones because we’ve got fun ones
Ü - pretty much does not exist in English, you might hear it in a weird dialect, apparently in the word “few” as spoken by scousers and some South Africans?
Õ - same preface, apparently you might hear a person from Cardiff pronounce “foot” this way or a southern USian might say “nut” this way, but I’ve never heard either.
Ö and Ä are the same as in Swedish and we do not have Å
So ä ö and ü are pronounced the same as in German?
Then i’d just have to learn how to say å and õ if I visit the Baltics or Scandinavia.
Yes, ü sounds like the ü in über and ö like Österreich at least. I’m not entirely sure about the German vs Estonian pronunciation of ä. Sounds closer to the ä in Käfer than the ä in Käse if you go to wiktionary and listen to the example pronunciations. I did study German in school because it sounded preferable to learning an entire new alphabet and recall the German ä was taught as sort of a cross between the Estonian ä and Estonian e, leaning towards one or the other depending on context, but then again I’m not sure how good my German teachers were, I know I only ever had two or three English teachers out of like 8 or 9 that actually spoke the language and knew how to pronounce words.
Stop. You’re going to attract the thorn person. This is chum in the water for them.
Eww - wonder how much he’s been blocked.
Φuck that.
James Maynard Keenan made this
Å be like: “am i a joke to you?”
Å, så this is how we’re tålking now?
That’s just someone speaking English with a strong Swedish accent.
in my head it’s Foghorn Leghorn
Å is what you say when you see an adorable animal
We do technically use Ø for empty sets or as diameter in mathematics, and diacriticals are technically allowed in English but we really only use them to describe phonetics.
I could have sworn it had use in either spherical or polar coordinate systems but I guess I was misremembering.
You might be thinking of Theta: θ
Nah I think it was Phi throwing me off if anything.
I can þink of anoðer couple candidates.
There’s also thiſ.
The ‘long s’.
An f without the crossbar, ſ , sometimes more fully shaped at the bottom, like the integral symbol.
As best I can tell… linguists have not actually been able to figure out totally consistent rules for its usage, beyond ‘it replaces s, sometimes’.
It seems to pretty much be purely stylistic flair, everyone who did use it seems to have slightly different rules for how and in what circumstances they did. It tends to follow certain broader rules, but counterexamples can be found for most of them.
… I wonder if we could merge old/middle english characters and l33t sp33k.
ð4t aſſ B b0unc1n, æ’r3 d4y, æ’r3 9t
I learned about ſ from House of Leaves.
“ſtaires! We haue found ſtaires!”
The Constitution of the USA
The actual literal written document makes considerable use of ’ ſ ', this is from a rare typed version that does as well.
Check those beautiful ligatures from long s to long s and from long s to t, and c to t.
no way. i knew it used the long S in the handwritten one, but i never knew there were typed versions. this is a find
Indeed it was, fetched a pretty penny via Sotheby’s auction.
Hilariously… was discovered during an estate sale (garage sale for rich people) in North Carolina.
Estate sales aren’t garage sales for rich people. They’re garage sales for dead people. Hence the word estate. It’s the estate of the deceased holding the sale, not the deceased. Legal bullshit mumbo gumbo, but there you have it
True, my mistake, I accidentally made a false e-statement.
me on my way to eftablifh Juftice and fecure the Bleffings of Liberty to ourfelves
Aw, you have the sniffles?
God bleff you.
lolololol
i need to finish that one
It’s fun. I like ergodic literature.
Just wait until you hear about end-of-word sigma, ς.
Or the insular r, ꞃ.
Tho Đ/đ, Ŧ/ŧ are also cool, more historically accurate(thorn and eth were never as clean cut as we like to think) and fit the vibe of the english alphabet better.
I don’t like either of these because they aren’t unique enough to easily speed read. The þ is a p and b and confuses my brain and the ð is just a little too small for the cross at the top on many fonts. At least ø and æ are unique enough to my eyes.
I kan’t imagine living with that mecc.
Yeah, good point.
Such good letters. I could never digest the fact that th can sound so different (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ
There are too many letters already, there’s nothing c can do that k or s can’t.
Q is also entirely useless.
That Q is actively detrimental
Sheese? Kheese?
Tsheese
Tsiis
That’s how it’s spelled in Frisian
Hard milk
I’m in favor of replacing ch with just c, so you’d have a kappakuolo and ceese sandwic. That way, it isn’t redundant and we have fewer special cases.
Also, “x” is usually redundant with “ks”, so use it for what’s currently “sh” to eliminate another redundancy and another special case.
Add back the thorn and eth for “th” and use “f” instead of “ph” and consonants are actually pretty consistent.
But what if i want a keese sandwick? Or are we keeping the k and just ditcing ch?
Well, yeah, you need the “k” for the sounds it currently has. How else will you have kites or air konditioning?
kondixoning?
Good point.
I would say there are not enough letters. We have about 12-14 vowel monopthongs, but only 6 letters to represent vowels. No wonder everything’s a fucking mess! And that’s without even getting to diphthongs.
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?
See the løveli lakes
The wonderful telephøne system
And mani interesting furry animals
Including the majestic møøse
Swedish doesn’t have the ø or the æ, it uses ö and ä instead.
The only one it shares with the other skandinavisk languages is å.
That being said, nice reference.
Akshually, ø and æ aren’t part of the Swedish alphabet. They’re Danish and Norwegian. In Swedish you have ä and ö; å is common to the three languages.
This change absolutely nothing, but now you’re able to distinguish Swedish and Norwegian at a glance!
Why did I read this in the Swedish Chef’s accent?
Because you’ve never watched Monty Python I’d bet.
You could’ve watched Monty Python and still read it in the Swedish Chef’s accent.
I always read it in a Canadian accent, because I didn’t know what Swedish people sounded like when I watched it as a kid, so I just assumed they sound like Canadians. As is reasonable…
43 upvotes…
A Møøse once bit my sister …
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: “The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist”, “Fillings of Passion”, “The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink”.
We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.
Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti …
We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked.
Wait, the “o” in “holiday”, “lovely” sound different, so which is it?
Neither actually. It sounds more like the e in permit or term, the u in uuh also gets close. They are not the most common sounds of the letter but I struggle to find analogous in English for the more common sound.
Do they sound different in a Swedish accent?
No idea, but I’d expect the same letter to have the same pronunciation. On the flip side, you just proved that it’s not always the case haha
The ø sounds more like an ö from German. In fact, Swedish uses the ö instead if the ø.
The monty python slides are just a humørous stylization, nothing more
I don’t like that O thing because I write 0’s with the line through it
As a Norwegian, I find it annoying that they “stole” Ø for that purpose. I put a backslash through my zeros instead, so it looks different. I usually pick a coding font with dotted zeros for the same reason.
As a former math major, it annoys me because 0 and Ø are different concepts.
Your comment led me down a bit of a rabbit hole and I found this on Wikipedia:
When writing in languages such as Danish and Norwegian, where the empty set character may be confused with the alphabetic letter Ø (as when using the symbol in linguistics), the Unicode character U+29B0 ⦰ REVERSED EMPTY SET may be used instead.
It also mentions what you are alluding to:
In the past, “0” (the numeral zero) was occasionally used as a symbol for the empty set, but this is now considered to be an improper use of notation.
And, as a programmer, don’t get me started on nulls…or undefined…or truthyness.
Wait, what.
… oh no. Nope.
Nope, not going back to set theory, it is 105F / ~40C right now, highly confident I would give myself heat stroke.
Because Size Matters!
æ cæn totally be used in English for the “short” a. Thæt’s the sound it’s used to write in Danish and Norwegian, ænd in the Internætional Phoenetic Ælphabet, which is used by linguists to precisely trænscribe speech.
I’m not sure about ø, though. It’s often used to write a sound thæt’s like the “e” in bet, but with your lips rounded like you’re pronouncing “oo” in boot. We don’t hæve thæt sound in English, unfortunately.
Isn’t ø just the Danish/Norwegian equivalent of the German ö?
In any case, it could be used to disambiguate words with different o sounds; i.e., “polish” (to shine a surface by rubbing) from “Pølish” (from Pøland).
Yæh
Can I get a §houtout to whatever you call this thing?
That’s the section symbol.
Oh, you mean the §ection §ymbol? I first saw it used in The Sims for §imoleans.
I somehow managed to both use my first word processor program and play the Sims 1 at almost the same time, so … its both, but I prefer calling it the Simolean symbol.
And if you disagree, well, kra gee narwok, habadu ba blingblong.
English did historically use æ, as the Latin ae-ligature (along with œ), though it went out of fashion at around the end of the Victorian era, and may not have been used in American English except as a stylistic affectation.
English historically has not done vowel symbols other than AEIOU and the occasional Y, leaving the speaker to bloody well figure out themselves which vowel sound a letter represents in a specific word, leaving it free to use ligatures and diacriticals as accents (i.e. the archaic dieresis in “coördinate” informing the reader that the “oo” is not a “ooh” digraph, these days seen only in the New Yorker). In contrast, languages like German and the Scandinavian languages treat accented vowels as distinct vowels of their own, moving them to the end of the alphabet in the dictionary.
In contrast, languages like German and the Scandinavian languages treat accented vowels as distinct vowels of their own, moving them to the end of the alphabet in the dictionary.
In German, the umlaut is analysed alphabetically as a digraph of the base vowel plus “e”, which is its ultimate source. The symbol became a diacritic mark through reduction of an “e” written above the vowel. I believe you’re correct about Scandinavian languages though.
