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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince us he exists.
I think the quote is
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist
That is the traditional quote.
It’s also not what I said.
The Church has long discovered that once you name someone or something as the Devil, you are justified in doing anything to them.
In 2026, see also, Antifa.
I see lots of comments arguing about whether bad things should happen to bad people and missing the point that it’s criticizing the convenient, self-serving rationalization of doing bad things to [out-group enemy] going on.
Everyone who doesn’t support [insert group name here] or [insert cause here] is a NAZI
It’s been years since I heard the word Nazi seriously applied to people who does’t support fascism is some way or were where a fascist who just didn’t like wearing a mask during covid.
.ml in a nutshell.
Everyone seems to think like this though so what right have we to laugh at him? Furthermore maybe it is better that we all embrace the fact we’re spoiled little animals who hold our own priviliges in higher regards than everyone else’s, rather than becoming detached and objective rule followers, deniers of our own feelings.
I don’t think anyone should be violently murdered actually 🙋♂️
I think there do exist specific circumstances where people should be violently murdered. But if I’m able to talk to them on a public internet forum, it is almost certainly not that circumstance.
Anyone is a pretty big range.
no revolution?
Kira vs. Columbo is a great skit.
Only thing is… how does anyone survive without seeing there are no absu-fucking-lutely-good or absu-fucking-lutely-bad people who never ever did anything bad/good respectively?
Doesn’t mean I would let just anyone live, but does mean that none of this good/bad nonsense is actually real. Guess not enough people have been kicked by a swing
it is part of being good to want bad to disappear by every means
Absolutely. Any ideology in which humans are not completely disposable as plan A is just a joke.
Quite a severe lack of intellectual rigour is going on there. If nothing happens to bad people then they’ll keep being bad people. The difference between the bad people and the good people is that the bad people do bad things because they like it. Good people do bad things to stop bad people from being bad people doing bad things.
If you let the bad people do bad things because you’re a good person and as a good person you don’t do bad things then the bad things may as well be done by the good people. It’s all the same.
Light went after people in the prison system or suspected of being criminals, without ever doubting the justness of the system in any way. He is useful idiot, delusional agent of the system or megalomaniacal bootlicker. Choose your pick.
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The “trickster demon” who in episode 1 hears Light’s plan and responds, “If you do that, you’ll be the only bad guy left?”
Ryuk didn’t make him do shit, he was just in it for the apples.
Ryuk was pretty hands off throughout the whole thing. He kind of just sat there and basked in the spectacle. Hell, there were points where he was shocked a human was even capable of going as far as Light did.
Maybe I missed that (I watched it twice), but to me it appeared very much so that he had (except after the intricate swaps, which erased his memory) full agency, and was the one pushing the limits/boundaries of the mechanic.
Of course one can make the point that power corrupts etc., and the Shinigamis are attached to that power. In a way, they embody power and could be seen as the corrupting force, but that is as far as I would take that. At least Riuk was emotionally detached/had no real stake in it. I don’t recall him ever endorsing or driving him to persue his mission. Maybe his subdued admiration of Lights “shenanigans” can be seen as adding fuel to the his (ego) fire, but that also is a defect Light has had before, not instilled by Riuk.
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Also, just a plain old idiot. Imagine having the magical power to kill anyone undetected and you’re like “hooray, I can go after local crooks!”. Had Light ever seen a newspaper? Did he know the world outside his city existed? If you aren’t starting with and primarily focusing on people globally known are you even trying?
Ok, but you do realize you can punish someone without killing, right? It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Bad people can be prevented from doing more bad things without any blood being shed.
You can try but look what happened when we didn’t finish off the slavers and the Nazis. They linger on until an orange shitstain comes along and empowers them.
The mistake with the Nuremburg Trials is that we didn’t hang enough Nazis
The problem with most things that use good and bad as a foundation is that they never account for perspective.
Good and bad are made up and subjective.
If you don’t account for that in your positions then you’re setting yourself up for fundamentalism.
I don’t think good and bad are that subjective. You can get into the weeds but it can be pretty well boiled down to “treat others the way you want them to treat you” is good and “treat others in a way you wouldn’t want them to treat you” is bad. We’re social creatures, we have to live in societies, and it’s not difficult to determine pro social vs anti social behaviors.
“One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter” is a concise way that the goodness or badness of an actions or outcomes is filtered through the subjective lens of the whoever happens to be considering the topic.
On an individual level, “don’t be a dick” is a pretty useful guideline , but even that is subject to what each person thinks constitutes dickish behaviour.
We’re social creatures, we have to live in societies, and it’s not difficult to determine pro social vs anti social behaviors.
Even that is subjective, think about what is socially acceptable in Finland?, how about Russia?, Morocco? France?
Do they all have the same idea of socially acceptable behaviours?
How about now vs 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 200 years in the future?.
Sure, there are some that are fairly common, but i wouldn’t consider those to be of a sufficient percentage of the whole that i could disregard behvaioural subjectivity, but that’s just my opinion.
Absolutely I am merely responding with the same level of intellectualism as the original comment.
If we can’t even get as far as sometimes violence is necessary and absolutism is a useless philosophy, then there’s no point getting into nuance.
What is good or bad? Whats bad on one side is good on the other. Both sides are good with the other side bad, from their point of view. With no objective good or bad, neither is, and morality means nothing so you can do anything with a clear conscience.
Sorry but that’s irrelevant. Who personally views themselves as good and bad isn’t relevant to how I apply your logic from my perspective.
The danger comes in thinking that everything you do is good simply because you do it.
You shouldn’t hurt people if you don’t have to but that’s not the same as saying that violence should be avoided at all costs and that it’s never useful, or even ultimately the lesser evil.
I have a problem with these absolutists the tried to suggest that the situation should never be taken into account and that violence is always bad. It’s intellectually dishonest and it’s naive.
Are you going to apply this logic to the activities which took place on Epstein Island?
With no objective good or bad
Where do pedophilia and rape fall in your intellectually lazy, moral relativism argument? What about freeing enslaved people?
Saying there is no objective good or bad only shows your lack of moral convictions.
The argument they were making is poor.
However, moral conviction has no bearing on objective correctness.
Edit: If it did, any voluntarily suicide bomber would be objectively correct.
I’d address the other point but It doesn’t sound like you’re open to viewpoints that are not your own.( and don’t seem to understand what objective truth actually entails )
This is intellectual rigor?
That’s why America has so many “good guys with guns”.
That whole idea is poorly thought out. In the split second of danger presented in the situation where a good guy with a gun could stop something, no one has any idea what is happening or why or to who and the decision must be made in seconds. No wonder good guy with gun doesn’t just start blasting. If their goal is to not hurt good people, blasting away is a good way to hurt Innocents.
Not to mention, people don’t like getting shot themselves.
Quality shit post, dung beetle certified
This unironically
Sounds like something Bad Person would say.
No, you don’t get it: they’re a Good Person.
Sounds like something Bad Person would say.
No, you don’t get it: they’re a Good Person.
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leftists when conservatives:
I think that’s leftists when centrists, liberals, democratic socialists, the working class, Jews…
Pretty much anyone other than fascists. They’re cool with actual fascists, but they label everyone else as fascist and hate them instead.
Oh for me, the literal nazis, child rapists, and Inmorally rich “leaders” are like dogs with rabies, a disease. There is no changing them. It is imparative that we stop them before they hurt more. If we can put down ol’ yeller, we can kill this evil.
literal nazis
WWII was 80 years ago, are there any literal Nazis alive?
Or is this one of the ‘I don’t know what literal means and also I’ll decide who is a Nazi and deserves death’ kind of thing?
Literal Nazis exist today, yes. Insisting that they don’t is doing them a favor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
Or is this one of the ‘I don’t know what Nazi means’ kind of things? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Is that your alt? If not then you have no idea what they meant.
There are many people on social media who’s kneejerk reaction is to label things “nazi” (see the OP’s image), or to imply that someone is doing favors for nazis, when they perceive that they’re being disagreed with. It’s kind of the topic of this whole post.
My response is a rhetorical question, not a request for information and their reply would show if they are that kind of reactionary person.
I didn’t reply to you and I didn’t mistake the reply box for a search engine, so linking me Wikipedia pages and suggesting that I’m doing favors for nazis means that you both missed the point and are the kind of reactionary outrage junkie that’s depicted in the OP.
I linked them for you because you don’t know what a Nazi is, because you said literal Nazis aren’t alive today.
You linked them because your reading comprehension is worse than your impulse control and thought you could score some quick social media high fives from the other Internet mouthbreathers.
Here’s a Wikipedia article, maybe it’ll help you understand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_seeking
Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Nazis.
Zio’s 2026 =Nazis 1939 different era same result
Zionists are ambitious, trying to genocide so hard that people forget about the Nazis.
Netanyahu doesn’t really have the punchiness of “Hitler”, so they need to work on that part. His gun probably tastes the same, so there’s that.
Fingers crossed
Yes, I know what Nazis are.
It was a rhetorical question, not a ChatGPT prompt for information.
If you don’t know there are real Nazi followers and fascism out there right now, not 80 years ago, but right now, I do not think you know what Nazis are. I also do not think you know what a “rhetorical question” is.
I also do not think you know what a “rhetorical question” is.
Well, let me demonstrate:
You know what I think better than I do?
You know, the image in the OP is not an aspirational goal, right?
I think you’re ignorant to the reality around you. I think OPs image is a strawman made by a centrist that also does not into the reality of the situation.
You keep saying ‘I think’ but demonstrating that you do not.
State of many discussions about Gaza, Israel, Ukraine and Russia here on Lemmy.
Yeah, anyone who commits genocide is a Bad Person who needs to be stopped, and murder works.
Fuck this noise. Kill Nazis and fascists.
Try them in court, convict, and then line them up with their families watching and shoot them in the face and make it required viewing for every kid on the planet.
A trial with due process is key. But, they’d need to be kicked out of power, first. Somehow. Because Nazis won’t convict Nazis, obviously.
I’m not looking forward to what happens if they steal the mid-terms.
So much for the tolerant left…
Motherfuckers, you labeled me as tolerant because I don’t hate people for immutable characteristics they were born with. That doesn’t mean I’m tolerant of nazis maga traitors.
Tolerance paradox is the only way forward. They deserve no quarter.
I don’t hate people for immutable characteristics
So why shoot Nazis if that is mutable and we can help them to change?
We are limited by our material conditions. In an ideal world, every Nazi would be reeducated and rehabilitated, no matter how long it takes. We don’t have the capacity or the time for that. We have to stop them now, by any means necessary, before it’s too late.
Because you can spend your whole life telling nazis to act like decent compassionate people, and you won’t change the mind of a single one. Don’t waste your life, waste them instead.
your whole life telling
That’s true for everything. Nobody wants to be told. It takes human interaction to change a mind.
Telling isn’t a human interaction? Are you really going to use a semantics argument to defend nazi shitfucks?
It’s not semantics. People have their own reasons to do things. They know that others reject them and informing them once more that somebody considers them wrong doesn’t change anything.
To change somebody, they need a new insight that makes them reevaluate their preferences.
The semantics part is arguing that “telling” doesn’t mean human interaction…
Extreme example: Human interaction? That could mean a fist-fight, the only difference between a nazi and a carebear is brotherly love!
That’s the gist of your argument; that I didn’t use the right words to describe in detail how try to instill some empathy in nazis.
Nah, they should be treated the way they treat others.
Nazis are the only group that deserve to be gassed.
But we must always focus on our goal of minimizing suffering. The path to evil comes when we focus more on us vs them and hurting the enemy than we are on building a better world. Fetishization of violence is a dangerous path.
I lament that I believe that violence and public executions are necessary, but I do. But I also don’t believe it’s sufficient. We must also build a better world.
Hey now! Just look at history and you’ll see how often non-violence works! Like for instance checks notes …uh oh frantically flipping through notes guys, oh no!
Hooray
Let’s all have barbecue afterwards because these fucks don’t get to put a stain on our day
Barbeque the Naizis ALIIIVE!
And if they don’t like this, there’s always the super easily, highly convenient solution of NOT BEING A NAZI.
But that’s not fair my skin is white and that means I’m important because insert fascist leader said so.
Exactly. A person can want every nazi dead and hope that nobody has to die while being completely logically and morally covered.
Reign of Terror ass motherfucker
#2 electric boogaloo
“So MuCh FoR tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt!!”
Pictured: Antifa social group, North Africa club, 1943
Those Nazis really get my goat!
I for one can’t wait to see who the modern John C Woods will be
