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Art of the deal.
Everything just keeps getting more expensive.
Trump is why America can’t have nice things
Gestures at 50+ years of imperialist, racist and anti-worker politics.
Americans are why America can’t have nice things.
It’s not like he stole the presidency. He got elected.
Not convinced that they didn’t cheat.
Even if he did cheat, it was a plausible result. Roughly 50% of Americans either support him or at least are less opposed to him than they are to Kamala Harris and the democrats.
A big reason why so many other countries are pulling away from the US isn’t just because Trump is the president and is tearing up treaties, etc. It’s because this is the 2nd time he’s been elected, and this is proof that the US can no longer be trusted. Even if say AOC wins the next election and it’s 8 years of progressivism, environmentalism, monopoly busting, the rebuilding of a social safety net, great relationships with allies, etc, that doesn’t mean anything. The election after that could be Eric Trump, and everything could go to shit again.
In the past elections meant a shifting of US priorities, but it still meant that the US would follow through on commitments. Now it’s clear that that’s no longer true, and that kind of rule-breaking is fully supported by approximately half the US.
It’s not like he stole the presidency. He got elected.
Regardless of whether or not he was fairly elected, far, far too many people definitely did vote for him. Even when he’s gone we’ll still have a lot of people looking to be his successor, and a lot of people willing to support them. It’s not a problem we can ignore just because there’s a good chance that only 40-something percent of the country wants a fascist in charge.
there were definitely signs he actually rigged it, its just the DNC refuses to actually call them out or investigate themselves, because they allowed the right wingers to call out rigged elections for so long that if the DEMs did, it, it will confirm the right wingers that it was rigged in the first place.
I do not want to give the impression that I support this guy, but is there any evidence at all of some gains?
Maybe I’m dumb, but I don’t why they would willingly bankrupt this country unless theyre just betting against us and look to take full control. I’m not sure what the value of controlling a derelict former superpower country would be.
It’s like vandalizing a fantastic house to drive the value down and then moving in. Great, you own a piece of shit that was once special but is no more.
is there any evidence at all of some gains?
Wall street seems to be doing okay. Slower growth, but line keeps going up
The stock market is a terrible measure of economic health.
even though OP is highlighting some losses/tensions, NATO colonies are being conquered hard, and that buys the US empire a few more years of “appearances of existing in a dominant position”. For political purposes, elections, you can point to the complete explicit subjugation of colonies as “winning”. Job losses, interest rates, currency depreciation, inflation don’t matter if you can point to Europe/Canada sycophants doing worse, and paying for entirety US war on Russia. Blame for everything bad goes to someone else, and success measured in relative pace of decline. Make sure no one else is allowed to speak, and third term is secured.
They don’t need to run the world, they only need to run America. It’s really that simple. Oh and also Krasnov is a foreign agent.
Seriously, I can respect someone having the opinion that you can run a country like a company, but then for their candidate to run the ‘company’ so badly
I can’t. Corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders in the current quarter. Governments exist to protect the people from outside influences such as those corporations. Their goals are completely at odds. That’s why every Republican president is followed by an economic downturn, because they did exactly what a corporation would do, steal from the future to increase profits in the present and then funnel those profits straight to the top.
Is it so hard to believe that Musk and Putin, two foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs with no loyalty or patriotism, would team up with America’s most massive psychopath, and treat America as a rich, fat, lazy, vulnerable target that DESERVES to be ruthlessly and mercilessly exploited and looted?
Without a strong government to defend our nation (thanks to relentless lobbying with a fraction of their massive fortunes), it was inevitable that this would happen, as more and more billionaires meant more and more of a chance of at least some of them using their influence to literally take over the world.
1 being an ILLEGAL alien, that got his citizenship under false pretenses, plus his brother. Musk’s whole family is just as messed up as he is in the head. minus his trans daughter whom he hates.
I read Bill Browder’s Red Notice about how he and others went in after the fall of the USSR. It explains very well how a former superpower was picked apart and the choice bits divvied up to make some future oligarchs very very incomprehensibly rich and powerful. Granted, it was a unique situation at the time since the USSR owned everything and they attempted to “give it back to the people.”
It’s scary. It’s not dry nonfiction. And some of the rich people he learned from, met, and has some insight on, are quite interesting in hindsight. (Ghislaine’s father, and Khashoggi family come to mind off the top of my head.)
But between the monopolies and current government trying to control things (like the Tiktok deal, and taking 10% of what was it, Intel?) There’s a consolidation of wealth and power happening out in the open.
No, and the effects have not been as noticeable as they should be because too many cowardly CEOs are too afraid of being the first to enrage the Orange Turd by passing on costs to the consumer… but that won’t last too long either
I can vouch for this. The company I work for uses a ton of steel and instead of raising prices our conservative CEO has just taken the monthly bonus that each employee used to get. So while our customers are thinking " this isn’t so bad" we are footing the bill by being paid less.
There are three primary factors at play here.
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Trump’s greed and need to line his own pockets. He will wreck entire economic sectors to add another billion (in bribe money) to his accounts.
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Rich benefactors wanting more. They stay rich regardless of what the economy does, and have a ton of liquid. If it crashes, they can buy so much more of it up for themselves.
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Foreign actors looking to upset US hegemony. They don’t have to go to war, they don’t have to fight economic battles…just incentivize the right people to do the wrong things at home in the US, and we destroy ourselves. It’s cheap and easy for them.
Foreign actors looking to upset US hegemony.
Before putting Trump into the Oval Office, Brexit was hailed as Putins biggest victory over the west. We are losing left and right to his manipulations and all our governments stick their fingers into their ears.
It’s #2, first and foremost.
Tank everything so the rich can consolidate their power.
We know billionaires, they’ll bitch and moan when their profits haven’t increased as much as they increased last year. They wouldn’t support Trump for his own gains or to appease a foreign agency for any amount of downturn. But to spend money on changing the rules and consolidating power, well, they haven’t spent billions lobbying the government for fun.
This was my take, at least with the soybean thing. Family farms go belly up. Big AG is there to buy up the land for pennies.
JD Vance is an investor in a startup that does precisely that. - Acre Trader
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They are generating revenue from the tariffs but it is not enough to offset the tax cuts and will decrease over time as there are fewer imports.
just deploying the national guard as a political spectacle was enough to surpass what the “doge saved”, i read on reddit its already going to cost 200million.
The rich can afford to take an economic hit and are willing to do so for more power and control.
More?
Married a billionaire. There is no amount of control that will make them happy.
Line. Must. Go.
UP.
- Foreign powers are manipulating trump to weaken US for their own agendas
- its only about Trump being avaricious and gaining more power. Like going into nice neighbors house and stealing all the gold fixtures and copper wiring. Plus pilfering any funds connected to the house. There isnt any long term planning here. He still has his own place an can bail to anywhere in the world
- Using said power to manipulate/bully others into paying trump for favors engorging himself more
Take your pick
You already have a lot of responses, but so far none have included: Trump and some of his top staff are just not that smart. He destroys soft power projection not because he has some thought-out theory about its value, but because he can’t follow the effect chain through far enough to understand the benefits. He really believed Ukraine and Russia were continuing to fight because they hadn’t talked to a skilled negotiator like him: the underlying geopolitics is completely beyond his grasp. He seems to genuinely believe that the spending cuts to Medicaid in his Big Bill will not make millions lose their health insurance.
There are grifters all through the administration and its outside support with the corrupt motives described by other commenters, and Trump himself is greedy and selfish, but I believe he genuinely lacks the intelligence to understand what he is destroying along the way.
Only thing I can think of is if you liquidate funds or suppress them being impacted while taking bribes like that alleged $2 billion in crypto they got, they ride out everything dropping in price living the high life still, then buy up as much as they can on their way out so they own large portions of companies as they get built back up by the next generation. The laborers and will still exists, and they can build it back with these people owning more and having more say in what happens.
Otherwise… Just power. If no one can say shit about you doing anything you want whenever you want and you can treat everyone else like shit… Some people enjoy it greatly I guess.
We are just the next casino.
I mean, no. There’s a possibility of winning at a casino no matter how small. You can’t win in USA because even if you bet on a factory, ICE is gonna come and rape your employees. So, no. Your odds are much much better in a casino. Hell, with what Trump is doing I’d say he makes a casino look like investing.
OP means the next business which is seemingly impossible to bankrupt that Trump is succeeding in bankrupting, like his casino attempts.
Oh fair. I wouldn’t trust a Trump ran casino either.
And just like those casinos, it’s won’t be done by mere gross incompetence but because criminal Trump will subvert the entire federal government to be a front for his crimes and embezzle the entire country dry.
his casinos were purely money laundering for the russians to begin with, he had every intention to bankrupt it.
Yeah, and the Russians want the whole country bankrupted too, so he’s still just doing their bidding.
They meant that this endeavour is Trump’s next “I declare bankruptcy”. He did it with multiple casinos.
Trump made money on his casinos. As CEO from 2001 to 2005, Trump made about $3.2 million per year.
Trump is making money now.
Yep. He’s like a cancer. Gets in, starts redirecting resources to service only himself, while killing the host. Only difference is he has always gotten to move on to the next host after it dies, instead of dying with it.
“tRuMp iS bEtTeR fOr ThE eCoNoMy!”
Oh, he is very good for his own economy.
It’s econo-me, not econo-we.
Insane we just allowed a Russian asset to take power and break anything he can touch.
If America still exists in 50 years people will look back at this time like we do with Nazi Germany today
50 years? Try now today. That’s how I see you guys.
A nazi regime with mostly a population that is either weak, stupid, or maliciously complacent. Or fully complicit and collaborative.Look what Germany had to go through to purge the Nazis. And it didn’t even take.
That’s our future. Can’t happen here? That’s what the citizens of Berlin, Dresden, and a whole lot of other German cities said in 1939.
That’s not our future. Germany had its Nazis forcefully stripped from power by foreign armies. There is no such force coming to liberate us.
Not yet because it’s only 1936 right now. The invasions haven’t started yet.
We are at the Reichstag moment in history right now.
Give it a year and a half or so and see what happens.
The US is un-invadable. Even if we didn’t have the second biggest stockpile of nukes to defend ourselves, we have the most capable navy. There is no way anyone could get close to the US, let alone invade.
We have to pull ourselves out of this, because no one can come to save us.
If a large enough group of allies got together something could likely be organised to come through the Canadian border.
Probably with a shit load of Canadians added.
They couldn’t, due to the aforementioned nukes, but even taking the nukes out of the equation, if the US thought Canada was going to be the staging ground for an invasion, there would be a US invasion of Canada. You could not stage all of the world’s armies there in a fast enough time. To get the mass of people there that would be necessary, it would take a lot of time.
I work in construction, and we’ve had no new bids come through in the past 2 weeks. That’s never happened before, even during covid. I’ve noticed a lot less positive talk about Trump when I go into the office, though I doubt even this would be enough to make any of my coworkers reconsider their political views.
i noticed our area, residential houses are bougie enough to use white american construction companies, they probably cost a ton more. and the only other POC that does construction usually caters to asian households only.
It’s just teams at this point. Trump is just the quarterback that they’re bitching about this season, they’re not switching teams over it.
We have clients all over, and the tariffs have been a point of concern for many of them. It’s gonna hit businesses hard, especially for shit that is only manufactured overseas.
Sources?
I don’t care to defend the guy at all, but is there anything he’s done to actually help the US economy, as in, the general public, not billionaires? Has he done anything that made the US more money?
The military under Hegseth has gone hard on removing protections from harassment, and removing women from leadership. There are a lot of people happy about frat culture being OK again, and about having less chance of reporting to a woman.
Some people who make most of their incomes from tips will see a small tax break for a few years (the billionaire tax cuts are permanent, the tipped wages cuts are temporary).
Nothing broad-based helpful, no, but people who want to find a rationalization to support him have a few niche things to point to.
The dude is man that his best buddy Epstein got nabbed by America and set out to destroy it, since he can no longer be happy by fucking children and he wants the country that took away his favorite pedo time to suffer and die for it
“Look what you made me do” - Donald Trump in his mind probably
Fucking wish Australia had just said to the yes to the French submarine deal we already signed instead of buying a bunch of virgin boomers.
You mean the defense contractor that suffered two data breaches that leaked weapons system capabilities and source code?
Still better than the defense contractor owned by the Russians
More importantly, why does Australia need submarines? In case it decides to invade its biggest trade partner at the behest of America?
Hyundai capitulated.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-plant-hyundai-ev-expansion-ice-raid/
they have too many billions invested already. the question is how they are going to force koreans to come the states.
Pay them with a lot of American free speech.
Counterpoint.
hes doing what is told by PUTIN to him. make USA too weak, to help ukraine.
Don’t blame American losers on Russians. Russians didn’t vote for Trump, Americans did.
But russian leadership helped convince the American losers to vote for trump
For every dollar a Russian spent, there’s an American conservative who spent $1000.
TPUSA was dropping $85M/year on conservative activism, channeled through a hodgepodge of home grown reactionary billionaires.
So russia had better bang for the buck! They both still fucked up the us
So russia had better bang for the buck!
How can anyone looking at Russia circa 2015 compared to Russia circa 2025 think that?
Strictly speaking on the russians interference? I’d say that russia more fully bought the us leadership this time
How many Russians are in the Trump cabinet?
How many Wall Street bankers? How many Silicon Valley Techbros.
I’m pretty certain that Russia, China and probably some others too had a huge influence on forming public opinions.
It’s weird that everyone talks about foreign nations dabbling in influence when Musk openly paid more than a quarter of a billion dollars and literally bought Twitter to elect Trump. One billionaire is buying up all the local TV stations. Another owns the Washington Post. Another is buying TikTok. Another controls FB and Instagram. 90% of media is controlled by 5 companies.
The fascism is coming from inside the house.
But that’s not was this comment thread was about
Why cant it be both?
You’re focusing on the mouse instead of the elephant.
Am I? You don’t know anything about me.
Because Americans have all the money and the property. It’s a $25T/year economy.
