Digg went sideways because of “power users,” among other things.
I was like digg all over again
Eh. There’s more than one kind of poweruser. The “people who are too online” are very different from the “accounts that exist to leverage social media for advertisement”.
Social media thrives on the whale users who are churning out content and hungry for engagement. It goes to shit when you’ve got your front page clogged with Native Ads and other shameless marketing gimmicks.
“churning out content” aka reposting old memes
The Internet, the fediverse included, seems like it’s mostly just different buckets all containing the slop.
“Five websites filled with screenshots of each other”
Lol well played
Digg’s powerusers were often revealed to be selling their influence.
Many of these accounts weren’t just freelancers. They were set up by marketing agencies, often with the explicit support of the social media hosting firm.
Like, its in the fucking business model to sell artificial engagement and promotion.
Might not even be a bad business model per say, if the promoted material wasn’t so consistently slop.
Mrbabyman
Rest in peace, I_RAPE_CATS.
While this is true, it’s funny to watch them wrestle with the exact same problems right now. Literally on the front page of new Digg right now is converstions about fragmenting the user-base with blocks/bans, and how to establish friend groups.
Wait is digg making some kind of comeback now?
Its web 3.0 bullshit from what I remember when everyone was hyping it up on reddit.
Apparently.
I think we are in a much different time than the Digg days. Reddit has much more power over their users than Digg ever did. If you leave Reddit, you are leaving all your niche communities and the boatload of user created content.
I left as an active user, but if I want to see conversations about the latest episode of whatever show I’m watching, there is always an active discussion on Reddit. Or if I’m looking for some BIFL suggestions, I almost always end up on a Reddit thread from 2 years ago with exactly what I was looking for and 8 different opinions.
I am hopeful that all this stuff will slowly make its way to Lemmy, but until then, Reddit is in no danger of losing its user base.
a lot of people aren’t old enough to remember that when the digg exodus happened, reddit didn’t even have subreddits yet. it was just links on one page, and we built our little subculture in the comments of each thread. that’s why there is such a culture of commenting before reading the article (if at all) — it used to be a big, disorganized blob of chatty nonsense, much like Fark or MetaFilter were at the time too.
reddit is a lovely example of how tech companies from 1995 to 2020 fell into success and figured out what their product does later down the line. to quote homer simpson when asked what his tech company does, “we’re a website that sells computers… or… a computer that sells websites, I haven’t decided yet.”
Wow, I’m definitely old enough, but I didn’t realize that.
check it out: https://web.archive.org/web/20060117004220/http://reddit.com/
if you look at a lot of this stuff now, it’ll be assigned to a subreddit called “/r/reddit.com”
“Yeah but how is lemme any different?”
Because you can’t really ban someone from a lemmy instance. The userbase is the type of people to get around rules like that if they want.
Yeah, Lemmy is different, reddit is hell. Lemmy is a little irritating, but Reddit is full of cops and fascists
You absolutely can ban a user from an lemmy instance.
Til they come back with hundreds of alts because being banned was such an offense to them.
As they should.
I actually got banned from this community on my old lemm.ee account under the same username. So I don’t make actual posts here. Idk if I’m even technically supposed to be commenting, so 🤫
Even so, Lemmy is nothing like what Reddit has become. Any platform is susceptible, but Reddit is now controlled by people who are out to prove a Fred Phelps like point about free speech. If you can’t say whatever you want, whenever you want, to anyone you want, go out of your way to ruin it for everybody and die miserable and alone.
Even if that does end up happening here, somebody else will just build back something new and a little better to replace it.
Fascists complained for decades about being censored on the internet and in that time what did they actually do? Did they actually build their own alternatives that anybody wanted to use, or did they just scheme and claw their way to the top to take over what somebody else made and force what they wanted on to everyone?
It’s true, they’ve basically made just about every popular internet platform unuseable in like 9 months, but that has also driven more people to just seek alternatives, and other people to focus on building them or making what already exists more user friendly. So when people just stop using that garbage, what happens to all those paid sponsors? Do they just keep paying to advertise to no one?
The dead internet theory just kind of assumes that people will want to keep using these platforms to witness bots argue instead of interacting with other people, but I can’t even really scroll through Reddit or Substack anymore bc I know there’s better content somewhere else that isn’t being controlled to keep a narrative going.
I tried to look for a very specific topic on YouTube yesterday, and got so frustrated with only having an endless stream of short clips of influencers instead of the one thing that I actually wanted, that I ended up just making an account on peertube. There’s not much content on there (yet), but the small amount that is there is sooo much more interesting than 99% of the garbage being force fed by YouTube.
I’m pretty sure that’s actually how capitalism is supposed to work when a “free market” isn’t being completely controlled by oligarchs. Like if this product sucks, and this other product is available and better, why would I keep using the shitty product unless somebody is tightly controlling the market and not allowing any competition?
I was talking to somebody yesterday about how being forced to switch to open source platforms has actually made me somewhat more optimistic for the future in general. Once somebody destroys something you love, it’s just gone. It sucks, but there’s a good chance you’ll probably never get back what was destroyed. You can’t go home again, but you can always try to rebuild something new, and make it a little better than before.
Did they actually build their own alternatives that anybody wanted to use,
Right wingers functionally excluded from major platforms more or less until Musk bought Twitter actually did create their own spaces. Several of which got made functionally inaccessible from mobile devices, or removed from search engines or otherwise actively prevented from growing organically, many of them eventually being quietly put back after any buzz around them had died down. Think Gab, Parler, various .win sites that are reddit-like, etc.
Hell, at one point the largest Mastodon instance was literally one such space that had had it’s own app banned from the app stores for being an uncensored far right space, and then several of the major general Mastodon clients made their clients refuse to connect to that specific instance at the client level as well. If you’ve ever seen a Mastodon client on say the Play store with negative reviews saying that it couldn’t connect to the largest instance, that’s because at the time the largest Mastodon instance was technically Gab.
But that’s not really creating anything new. Why did nobody just make an exclusively right wing alternative to mastodon? Idk anything about Parler, but it just seems like it’s easy to just try to make a space on an existing platform, but if you join something that was built by somebody else, you’re being provided a space within what they built.
If the right feels like they don’t want to be restricted whatsoever by the requirements of being part of a platform or institution, why has nobody really built a right wing alternative from the ground up?
Most of Project 2025 is based on Paul Weyrich deciding that the U.S. is beyond redemption in his opinion, and he says that the path forward for the right should be the homeschool model and for the right to create their own institutions.
But that’s not what’s actually happening. They’re not building any new institutions and offering them as an alternative open to anyone on the right that wants to join. They’re just taking over existing institutions, and turning them into what they wanted. It’s like they’re doing this only to prove a point that what they want should be the way that everyone lives their lives, and since society didn’t want that, they’re going to have to force it on society.
If the entire basis of your movement is that society should be focused on and built around a very narrow section of all of society, why would it be surprising that the majority of society wouldn’t want to willingly be part of your movement since they don’t fit into it?
This is like if some people that were obsessed with frisbee golf got mad bc other sports exist, so they took over every football stadium to try and force every football fan to become a fan of Frolf.
Realistically what would happen? Everybody suddenly accepts that frolf is the new football because a small group of people wanted it and now it’s your only option? Even if they can somehow hold on to power indefinitely, and keep all those football stadiums frolf only, would people really just stop playing football or would they just go literally anywhere else and play there instead? Even if it meant you might just have to start out playing in an empty field or parking lot somewhere with only a few other people, and slowly grow from there. People will just make new football stadiums or soccer stadiums or tennis courts bc not everybody wants to be forced to just play frolf.
Why did nobody just make an exclusively right wing alternative to mastodon?
…but they did, and were broadly prevented from growing organically. See Parler and Gab.
Gab actually changed it’s underlying backend twice. They started with their own thing, Google and Apple cut their app off from the app stores so they switched to something that was a common protocol rather than a dedicated app and moved to Mastodon as a way to route around censorship. Most Mastodon servers promptly defederated them for being right wingers, and several of the major Mastodon clients built in client level mandatory blacklists causing their client to refuse to connect to Gab (in some cases Gab was the entire blacklist) - you can see which ones because they have some older store reviews about “refusing to connect to the largest Mastodon instance” because for a time that was Gab. Later on, they moved to something involving crypto somehow, I’m not really sure about the details.
Parler appeared, got big fast, got kneecapped by Google, Apple and Amazon and by the time they recovered had lost most of any momentum they ever had.
They even produced their own Reddit-alike, spread across several .win domains - that was a thing that happened in response to the biggest Trumper community getting banned from Reddit. That original community migrated to TheDonald.win and later rebranded as Patriots.win.
Truth Social is basically what Gab/Parler wanted to be, but big Tech doesn’t want to fight against Trump because he’s exactly the kind of petty asshole to fuck them over for considering it. Truth Social is of course Mastodon under the hood with federation disabled.
But if we presume fediverse apps are a protocol rather than a proprietary product (which is usually how they are sold to users, making analogies to things like email or the web as compared to a proprietary system) why would you need to reinvent the wheel? No one is arguing that we need an exclusively communist alternative to email or the web.
Actually truth social would be the perfect example, but again, how many people do you hear talking about how much they enjoy truth social? It’s true nobody wants to be sued by Trump, but that’s not really support as much as fear and its own form of censorship.
Truth Social is always there if you want it, but is it really censorship that keeps more people from using it or is it to some extent capitalism working?
If you have a truly free market people will just go to another platform bc there’s no reason they have to use X, or Truth Social, or Mastodon, or BlueSky unless one person (or a group of oligarchs) buys all of them and controls the market. If one of those platforms fails, can you really blame it on censorship?
Musk bought X bc he claimed he wanted to have free speech and to get rid of all the bots, but he did neither. Now that place is mainly a bot fueled echo chamber. It’s just not an enjoyable platform to use anymore, and most users have switched to an alternative like bluesky.
I personally don’t really like Bluesky either, but I know a lot of people that do. Even though it’s not a right wing platform, it’s still seems very difficult for content to actually reach people organically. The same is true with Substack, and you have even less control of the content that appears on your feed. I hate IG for that reason too (among many others).
Algorithm control and bot armies always eventually becomes a weird form of censorship. It happens on every platform (even lemmy to a lesser extent), and at a certain point it makes the platform just unusable. There are definitely accounts like that on Mastodon too, and I still use it for some things but don’t really interact much on there bc of the same reason.
It’s almost like an uncanny valley situation. Like at a certain point the bots go from a tool that helps to generate user interest and grow a platform, to just over saturating and creating dead internet vibes. Like you can tell when a narrative is being controlled or generated by a sudden swarm of users and it’s very off-putting.
Reddit has gotten so bad about this that you will have posts that just can’t be upvoted at all, with like a hilariously impossible ratio of upvotes to comments. Then those “user” recommendation posts that are clearly just advertisements are the worst. I used to rely on Reddit for advice and information on things like that bc I was talking to other humans without an agenda to sell me something. Now I usually just assume any recommendation on Reddit is an advertisement and ignore it.
Google and Apple cut their app off from the app stores so they switched to something that was a common protocol rather than a dedicated app and moved to Mastodon as a way to route around censorship
Apple and Google didn’t want to lose business by associating with something the majority of people found off-putting, but is that really censorship?
Again you’re relying on an existing platform to take on supporting your messaging instead of just promoting it yourself. Couldn’t you just rely on a user base sharing a link to download an app rather than putting it in one of the stores?
No one is arguing that we need an exclusively communist alternative to email or the web.
But that is also why so many users or instances block instances like .grad and to a lesser extent .ml, and some people do argue they should be de-federated.
I don’t think that’s really necessary. I’m glad to have the ability to talk to and interact with people I don’t agree with on everything. There’s .ml users here that have been very helpful with things nobody else was able to help me with. (I’m actually glad we’re able to have this conversation we’re having.)
But, I’ve also been blocked from .ml communities without any warning bc I shared images of Xinnie the Pooh. So, i’m sure there are some people on the left who willingly identify as tankies, and would enjoy a completely separate dedicated safe space on the internet for communism or leftist authoritarianism. If they made one, it would very likely end up running into the same issues as Gab/Parler, but I still wouldn’t believe that censorship is to blame for its failure.
It’s just difficult to create a market for a very niche and exclusionary product that a lot of people find off-putting due to extremist content.
you can, but let’s ignore that for a moment.
so you got banned from a community on lemmy, eh?
just go join another community with 8k less users and has a new post once every four weeks.
I suppose you could post more on that community, right?
oops, looks like the mod there is the same one that banned you with an alt on a different instance. you’re banned here as well.
lemmy is isn’t immune to the corruption on Reddit because it’s a different platform. it’s corruptible because the users are all from Reddit.
humans are trash, that’s why we need to shift how moderation functions online.
How do we shift to a new form of moderation? What would that look like? I was rightly banned from a community on my lemmy, but my main issue is that I wanted to apologize and ask for an unban, but there’s no “message the mods” button, and it seems that particular person blocked me.
Sorry, I’m rambling, I don’t think this is what you were talking about…
that is exactly what I’m talking about.
I won’t go into too deep of detail, I’ve covered a lot of it here.
today, the goal of the mod is to prune and remove undesired content and users. this creates high overhead and operational costs. it also increases chances for corruption and community instability.
you have experienced some of this instability. a mod banned you and you had no recourse to correct the behavior. this can also be used by corrupt mods to silence the community at large. I believe there was a post about Reddit having 400 subs modded by the same 4 people or something like that.
the same flaw exists here as well.
I believe that the community should moderate itself. if the content or comment hits a downvote threshold it’s hidden/silenced. mods should only get involved as stewards of the community, ensuring that abuses of the system aren’t taking place and taking action against individuals that “game the system”. they could not, for example, take action unless the silenced user reports it as such. again, if you abuse the system you might be permanently silenced.
notice I keep saying silenced instead of blocked? that’s because we shouldn’t block their access to content or the community or even let them know nobody is seeing their content. in the case of malicious users/bots. the more time wasted on screaming into a void the less time wasted on corrupting another community. in-fact, I propose we allow these silenced users to interact with each other where they can continue to toxify and abuse each other in a spiraling chain of abuse that eventually results in their permanent silencing.
this should be a core tenant to an open forum. anyone can interact, but if the community at large has voted to silence you they shouldn’t need to listen to you.
IMO bans should only be used for the most heinous users. users that post illegal content that jeopardizes the community at large. further, those bans should be administered by the instance admin/owner.
Me: This video of a POS attacking a sleeping person (literally drop elbowing him in the head with the potential of snapping the neck) on the NYC subway with malicious assault says more about all of the people watching and filming while doing nothing about it than the attacker.
Reddit: You are permanently suspended from Reddit.
3 days ago.
Well, you referenced the potential death of a human which their advertisers definitely do not approve of. Luckily for them, the mods caught your horribly violent comment before it could reach the masses. The fact you were only permabanned, and not charged with a crime against humanity, is a blessing indeed!
Please be careful in the future when using words that might make someone else feel something, especially if that person (who you don’t know) might have to face an uncomfortable reality. It’s only fair that we censor genuine human expression in the name of brand image. After all, the advertisers are what’s keeping the lights on around here. If we stopped listening to their demands, god knows what kind of horrible society might emerge.
This happened to me about a week ago
And then somehow my account got banned for 3 days
And then once the ban was up Reddit let me know that they’d looked into it and found nothing concerning
Gotta love automated banning
Hey dude, he’s an attorney threatening to shoot people on the internet. If you legitimately know who he is, go see an attorney. He’s fucked and you can get some money. I am literally the only person in my immediate family who is not an attorney, and I worked in a legal-adjacent field for a long time.
🤣 ssshhhhhsh hunny, adults are talking.
So glad to be out of that cesspool.
Me too, fuck reddit
My first Lemmy acct was banned for wrong think in a specific instance. It can be shitty here too. Not like Reddit. But don’t say certain things.
I’ve been called a Nazi and banned for saying I don’t automatically believe women in rape cases and pointed out it was abused.
This place is ultra ban happy and sensitive if you don’t pass the progressive purity test.
This place? Which place? Because there is no “this place” for lemmy since you can join or make many instances.
More info needed
I simply disagreed with Israel and the over all support from the Jewish community. I’m from a people of genocide. So I understand where they are coming from. But it’s an endless cycle of death if no one is willing to give up the hate. And I got banned for talking about it plainly. So I don’t try to bring it up anymore.
The great thing is that instances can be 10000 times more fucked than Reddit if they want. If you get banned you can just join another one.
Kudos. Rarely does an image capture the whole story as well as this one does. Indeed. Of course it makes those of us who remember the good old days feel some grief.
I can’t remember her name but there was a woman who was a mod on a bunch of the pet sub and she got caught marketing on how she could bring redditers to business and she go doxxed and drug on the internet for like a month. Today’s admins have no problem doing that.
A link to source or some alt text would be cool: this image lacks both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjUcfSVuU1A will help - Upper Echelon’s video on the 'Reddit Mafia" concisely explains the current Power Mod situation.
Reddit have pushed out what I consider knee-jerk reactionary responses to the growing issue of ‘power mods’ - https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1myjrgz/reddit_announces_how_many_large_subs_one_can_mod/ - which was brought about due to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/1mwnoq2/addressing_questions_on_moderation_limits/
It could have even started to originate from this: https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-will-change-rules-to-make-mods-less-powerful-2023-6
Reddit CEO Steve Huffman says the site’s mods are too powerful. In an interview on Thursday, he told NBC that he planned to change the rules so users had the power to vote the moderators of subreddits out.
He said the current system — where mods can only be removed by themselves, higher-ranking mods, or Reddit itself — was “not democratic” and compared it to a “landed gentry.”Power mods have been an issue for many many years, possibly even before this. This may have been the tipping point for Reddit to finally stop sucking their thumb and do something about it. Either that or potential negative feedback to hurt their bottom line (and the shareholders pockets…)
While that’s cool, I meant that OP should make the posted image accessible, because right now no blind person can read that or follow a link to a source they can read. It’s also not fault tolerant (in case the image breaks) or searchable, so it makes the web less usable. A link to the source of the image or alt text would fix all that.
Lemmy is getting there trust me. Go to the politics theme subs and disagree. Even if you stay on their side but disagree on a point, you’ll get a bunch of threats and hate and then a ban without explanation. Many of the people bullied by mods came to Lemmy to become mods and are now the bullies
I would create an alternative political sub for open-minded people who are okay with disagreements, but I fear it will be flooded with right-wing extremists quickly. :S
Hey, they’re just asking questions!
lol yeah. For real though, I hate that even the notion of questioning the standard way of thinking is now considered remiss. And using “facts and logic” is openly mocked as well. Ben Shapiro ruined discourse for everyone by being a tool. It’s like some kind of anti-meme.
That’s where decentralization comes in.
You’re in lemmy.world. That’s the most mainstream, libtarted instance. That is just mainstream reddit expats
I don’t use my Lemmy.world accounts anymore, because they generally suck. Just like the ml instances are full of tankies, your instance is full of mainstream idiots
Get weird. Migrate to a better instance, you’ll have a better experience. I can recommend several to you if you tell me about your personal beliefs, but no matter what they tell you… Your home server does matter, a lot. And you’re in the instance equivalent to modern day Democrats
We have an echo chamber for everyone!
Not really… Decentralization. All the echo chambers open to each other, but your location does affect what you hear
We are open! We just ban anyone daring to disturbe the echo chamber!
Most of your bans are for Misogyny, attacking other users and wishing people would drop dead. I’m not really buying the story that you were unfairly banned from https://lemmy.world/c/world for disagreeing.
Show me the mysogyny, stop lying and creating bullshit. And yes I want America to drop dead, the world would be better if you were all raptured
Absolutely no mystery why you are banned when you call for the death of a group of people.
Yeah im an indigenous person whose home was bombed by Americans and who has endured decades of American racism. I hate colonizers and Americans, you’re not a race, get over it. Americans suddenly playing victim in 2025 after shitting al over the world for a century is rich.
White colonizer suburban kids calling my red indigenous ass racist, you guys are lunatics.
But almost always, during the initial stage of the struggle, the oppressed, instead of striving for liberation, tend themselves to become oppressors, or “sub-oppressors.” The very structure of their thought has been conditioned by the contradictions of the concrete, existential situation by which they were shaped. Their ideal is to be men; but for them, to be men is to be oppressors. This is their model of humanity
A quote from Paulo Freire, in the pedagogy of the oppressed
So do you think he’s right? Almost always… Their model of humanity/to be men is to oppress?
That part I read as an exaggeration as a figure of speech. The most interesting part to me is about people becoming the oppressors themselves due to this being their only learned model of human interaction.
I’d be curious to see what their AI permaban tag words are. So many words must be listed since they will ban you for violence if you even mention Luigi or say the word “dead.”
I’d also love to be a fly on the wall for those conversations to see their thought process for how they deny the first amendment and how many bots they need to replace the one person they banned to make the site seem full.
i’ve been banned twice the past two years… for talking about my cat killing rabbits. once on a local sub and another on a cat sub.
apparently animal on animal violence is now too controversial for reddit.
i was also constantly blocking people the past year because i go sooo many harassing DMs. Never used to get those until like '23. i remember using reddit for like 12 years without every having to block anyone.
SRS was the original DM harassers like over 10 years ago.
oh i can help with this one! calling gina curano a cunt is definitely one! now i cant have an account for more than 24 hrs without it being permabanned. they just ignore my appeals and requests to answer why i am permabanned over something as pathetic as that.
Just a point in all this. They can deny free speech all they want, they’re not a gov org. Only the 1st applies to the gov stifling free speech, a private org can do it all day long with no repercussions.
You are very smart
The fucked up thing (well, one of them) is that, with whatever new AI auto-moderation sentiment analysis thing they’ve employed in the past year or so, you receive absolutely no indication that action has been taken against your comments. Unlike shadowbanning, which has been around for donkey’s years, you still see your comments in-thread and can even get replies from certain users. It’s difficult to explain, even harder to prove, but they’re employing something such that certain tiers of users see your comments, while others don’t. Think skill-based match-making from the gaming world, but applied to thread-based social media. I hung on for quite a while after the writing was applied to the proverbial wall, but once I realized this I erased every trace of Reddit from every corner of my life. Now I’m here!
probably just an algorithm that groups users in accordance with known traits or interests or styles, furthering that ‘in group’ alignment feeling that comes from people who care about reddit comments lol
At one point while I was still on Reddit I learned that there was another site that indexed the users with the highest post and comment scores. I looked at the top of the list and saw accounts that were relentless repost monsters. I went ahead and blocked all of them, and my Reddit experience immediately improved, as I stopped seeing the exact same shit reposted over and over, day after day. Then when the API-ocalypse came, and I walked away and never looked back.
Hmph. As a one time mod or top mod of several “default” subs I can confirm that the image is true.
I’ve been a mod of several niche subreddits and entire reddit is absolute 100% gamed and astroturfed. Being a mod is incredibly lucrative to the point that’s full career for many mods.
In all fairness it was bound to happen and it’s similar on all social media groups. The power and lack of transparency makes it incredibly easy to start profiting of your positions even when the goal is noble at first. There’s this great podcast on cat drug black markets which perfectly illustrates this.
I find it funny seeing people complain about LLM hallucination and inaccuracy turn around and prefix
site:reddit.comto their search queries in pure, blissful ignorance.I remember there was a guy making 6 figures in the CSGO community by posting ads for gambling sites disguised as memes.
I wonder how Lemmy compares.
lol, you can see the same shit beginning to happen here.
At the moment the Threadiverse has not enough users. But as soon as this is becoming a problem, it is the instance Admins job to carefully manage power user moderators. If the Admins don’t do their job, the instance should be federated.
Well i just saw pugjesus move ~10 comms to piefed so…
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Most communities in the fediverse, to be fair, are pretty empty compared to their reddit counterpart
So like early Reddit.
Eh, we are a lot smaller still I think. Reddit may have had about ~40x the users that Lemmy has at this stage. But you never know, we may get some random spike down the line. When you have 1 or 2 people in a community people give up, but if you have 20-40 it may seem pretty active and stay alive and grow.
How should moderation work, instead?
I have always liked the balanced approach that slashdot has.
Users are asked by automation to moderate once they demonstrate reasonable engagement statistically. Then they are assigned a number of comments or posts to rate, not just updown votes but assign qualities, such as funny or insightful. This makes reading long threads more friendly.
Also, more reliable moderators are invited to evaluate other moderations! Accountability!
I am not sure why the model wasn’t popular elsewhere.
because it’s not centralized power. people like power.
SOME particular kinds of people. Some are constitutionally opposed to unequal distribution.
I do love how easy it is to block people on here. If I see the same article spammed over a bunch of instances, it’s block time for that user cos then I just assume they’re a bot.
Move as in Moderates or about posting content?
Because the mods here aren’t an absolute force since the instance owners have the final word about how someone moderates or if they have control over too many comms.Can’t remember right now, but there have been some problems about mods power tripping and getting banned for it, that said, when the instance owner is the problem, the only smart move is to jump instances.
That’s why I’ve always said to think of your account as disposable, shit can always go bad because we are all humans.If you mean because he posts a lot… Well that’s everyone’s fault for not posting.
If more people posted at least once, you wouldn’t see only the same dudes posting everywhere.We had a whole drama cycle about /c/196 trying to move. But this one didn’t even get a peep :D
I am also very curious about this. Why do we have 3 196s?
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It can be noted that the original comm on blahaj.zone gets drastically less traffic than before, and I don’t think anyone uses the .world comm at all. Most activity is at /c/[email protected]
Sounds a bit like medieval pope drama.
But we get good memes out of it, so why not?
I love that comparison.
I absolutely think that’s part of the strength of Lemmy.
I have no idea why the Lemmy devs copied the reddit “lords and peasants” model of moderated interactions, and I don’t know if Lemmy will survive long term against the tide of corruption that Reddit is in the late stages of right now. But at least it’s pretty easy to move to a different fiefdom if you want to. If, for example, your home server lemmy.world gets all enshittified and filled with obnoxious interactions, you can just up and leave and still keep nearly all of your engagement if other people are in agreement.
You can take a look at lemmy.ml or blahaj and see what Lemmy could look like if that wasn’t possible. To me, moving servers when stuff gets weird is a healthy thing.
Defederation by nature will help that. On Reddit if the admins didn’t want “RandomTopic” they could ban it or lock it and other variants. On Lemmy you always go to another instance and make it there and the admins of the original instance can pound sand. And if they go as far to defederate there are still other instances out there that federate with it.
I had a conversation with a particular Lemmy-instance admin after getting banned for having the wrong opinions, and you could feel through the screen how frustrated he was that he couldn’t just mechanically prevent me from saying certain things, because of being accustomed to being in an environment where he could dictate what conversations were allowed, and everyone had to be nice to him. To the point that it was this wild out-of-pocket thing if someone could speak to him without having to “talk up” to him. It was kind of fun honestly lol.
Lots of people like that IRL. I can’t stand them but for some reason people find them charming. And they are always trying to manipulate and pit people against one another for their lulz. They love spreading rumors and talking shit behind people’s backs.
Ugh. I know someone like this currently. Easier to just ignore them. Sad part is they’ve actively made a friend of our group just… worse. Dude is way more emotionally volatile, doesn’t wanna better himself at all, and smokes weed at all hours of the day.
I wouldn’t be upset at all if the jackass was just ruining his own life (As everyone including his own mother realizes what he is eventually) but him taking my buddy down to his level is infuriating. Hell, I actually think less of my friend now for falling for that shit too.
Lemmy recreating the free market haha
the problem is people.
no technology can prevent people from suffering from the errors of human psychology.
people want to feel powerful and control other people. they want to boost the things they like/agree with, and silence those they don’t.
some people do that by becoming interest moderators.
Honestly, even moderating ~10 comms is a bit much. I couldn’t imagine doing 25, much less 125.
We still have groups of power mods but they have less power here because we arent limited to a single sub and the rules of a single company. We also have an open mod log.
Perfection.
One of my older Reddit accounts was blocked on several top subs for abusing the report button.
One of those super mods posted a photo of someone endangering their pet on multiple subs. The content was literally against site-wide rules but also broke sub-level rules on each of the subs it was posted. I reported the photo on each sub it was posted to separately. Unbeknownst to me at the time, that super mod was a mod of every single one of those subs. So, they had the ability to ban/block me on each one for “abuse”.
It’s kinda sad really that reddit mods get a power trip from banning people when reddit accounts are disposable unless you care about karma for some reason. I got banned site wide and from various subs multiple times and it would only take a few minutes to be up and running again with a new account. I even had a script to transfer over my subscriptions. Never got done for ban evasion either, despite having a static IP address. It got to the point where I’d create a new account at least once a month even if I wasn’t banned just to have a clean slate.
If you assume they don’t have multiple accounts
I would love to see a Reddit stylometric analysis
Peak reddit
