This dude is really just 180 degrees out of sync at all times

There was a guarantee that things would get horrifyingly worse if Trump won.

There was a chance of things getting worse if whatever Democrat won, and also a small chance that strong vocal protest would produce an improvement in US policy producing some improvement for the Palestinians.

With Trump, they had no chance at all.

damn the democrats who stayed home

They said they couldn’t imagine how Trump could even be any worse than Biden. Gaza was the big issue that led them to stay home. Well, now we know how. And they’re still safe in their air conditioned homes right now, not starving with no dead children, probably still convinced they were striking a blow for truth and justice and feeling aggressively proud of how right they were and still are.

It’s 2025. Any minor success of his administration is being dismantled by Trump. Get with the times.

What percent reduction in US overall carbon emissions would you define as “minor”? If you had to give an objective number to it.

The larger point outside of that one word “minor,” I think, is largely true. People really fucked up on a world-altering scale letting Trump come to power again. Were you one of them? I feel like there are a lot of them in this thread, who contributed in their little infinitesimal ways to letting it happen. Thanks! You guys should do something about that going forward, or else this stuff is going to keep happening and get infinitely worse.

Also jesus christ, your condescending tone is obnoxious.

Do a quick search for “LOL” in these comments. I was pretty direct about disagreeing, but I wasn’t condescending until someone came up super hostile and talking down to me. I actually still kept it factual about what we were trying to talk about, which domain in standard lemmy.ml tradition they rejected with extreme hostility, but I wasn’t the one that started the condescension. Condescension and hostility are strong traditions here, valued and celebrated as long as they’re in line with the hivemind opinion-set. I was just better at it than the other person, and that’s why they got upset, and why you’re mentioning it now.

I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here, that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know…

I had a feeling you wouldn’t want me to tell you, and would want to pivot to some aggressive complaint in some other kind of way, and bring up the talking point about “pretending” again as if I wasn’t specifically addressing it. 😃 Glad we had this talk.

(Here is a source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bidens-climate-act-cut-us-emissions-by-2030-by-35-43-epa-2023-09-13/)

You expected him to single-handedly solve climate change? Start in 2020 and then by 2024 there is no accelerating pace of wildfires? And you can’t support a politician unless they can do that?

I asked what the total level of reduction in emissions his policies are predicted to accomplish are. I completely share the opinion that what someone pretends to do, doesn’t matter. So what’s the predicted reduction in objective terms? I feel like that’s something you should know.

Do you want me to tell you? I feel like it could be educational for you to learn on your own. You tell me, I can do either way.

Are we still giving Joe Biden credit for pretending to be progressive

What was it I gave Joe Biden credit for? I feel like you might have skimmed my message because of length, and missed it. I was pretty specific though.

Also, what’s the total reduction in emissions that Biden’s policies have resulted in, and what total are they predicted to produce in the future? (Or were, I mean Trump’s trying hard to undo them with some level of success.) That stuff wasn’t contained in my message but I’m curious whether you are aware.

I mean Biden tried spending almost a trillion dollars on the biggest action on climate change in the history of the US, about ten times over, and y’all didn’t give a fuck. So I guess Newsom is trying shitposting instead. I don’t love it either, but aiming to win elections on substance certainly doesn’t either, so why not.

Edit: I’m not able to see or reply to the lemmygrad person locally, but yes, people not voting hard enough for Al Gore in 2000 is very much a primary reason why this is happening as early as it is. It would have changed a lot of things, among them the creation of ICE. It wouldn’t have been enough by any means, but IDK how any person alive in the US right now at this point in history can say that voting doesn’t make a difference to the day-to-day reality we live in. This year is literally the A/B test demonstration.

Ah, that explains it. It didn’t sound like a quote that would come from the real UN. Maybe in some other, superior timeline…

That’s wild, I never know the origin of that last sentence.

I would never hire a company that had a clause like this. Just find someone else. There’s a reason they felt it necessary to include that.

How do you think a firefight between ICE and the National Guard would go?

That’s more my point. ICE can fuck up plenty of the helpless, and that might include you and me soon enough. But my point is that co-opting the forces that actually know what they’re doing is often a good accompaniment to that idea, and they’re not even making vague attempts at doing anything like that, they are doing the opposite.

We’ve destroyed the systems of public health and environmental monitoring and protection in this country. They weren’t great to start with, but now they are mostly just completely destroyed.

It would be weird if we didn’t return to this medieval system where sometimes weird and dangerous things just happen out of nowhere, and there’s just no explanation and no way to make it stop.

Count your lucky, lucky, lucky stars that these people are such idiots.

It doesn’t mean they are not dangerous. The Nazis were exactly the same type of hilarious buffoons, not good at anything, until all of a sudden it wasn’t funny anymore and the nightmare came to life, neverending. And the Trump people are doing a pretty good job speedrunning getting the camps up and running, they’ve already started on the undesirables and it’s working, and they’re building a huge number more as we speak.

But still, Jesus Christ. They could have had their pick of conservative sociopath lawyers hand-picked by Peter Thiel to whip shape into the DOJ and turn it on all the domestic opposition. They could have doubled military pay instantly, and had heartwarming rallies where they assured all the troops and all the cops that finally, with us in charge, you have someone on your side in government. It would have locked in their victory like a fucking armbar. Instead, they’re taking all these people whose support and agreement is vital to this thing really coming off without a hitch, and putting them into these moronic and hostile situations, literally every chance they get.

Think about it: You’re a career prosecutor, you’ve been busting your ass for decades in a high-stakes profession, and you’re successful at it. And then one day you walk in and your boss is Jeanine Pirro and she’s going to be taking over going forward.

Just think of how the interactions with her go in the workplace. Think of watching her fuck up important things, left and right, and that just being your new reality.

Jesus Christ man. We got lucky, a little bit, that it came in this form when it came. Their sheer moronitude has to be some kind of weakness.

My parents owned a cat who loved to go on walks with them, but would complain loudly if the walk was too long, and demand to return to the house when she was done walking. It was such a problem that they started shutting the cat in the house when they wanted to walk, and so she would hide outside and follow them secretly until they were too far along with the walk to bring her back to the house and continue without her, and then trot up and join them on the walk. Then shortly she would complain that the walk was too long and she wanted to go back now.

We love her

Little few-dozen-people towns like this in the middle of nowhere are fucking wild sometimes. It’s just a bunch of people doing whatever they want, for the most part. Sometimes it’s fine, sometimes it’s real fucked and people who grow up and leave have some insane stories and basically never go back.

Remember this when someone tells you “voting is a waste of time” “anarchism is better, we don’t need all these corrupt structures” or similar things. There’s a reason why we settled on the systems we have. The corruption that fucks them up is real, sure, and it’s a big problem, but it also exists in exactly the same form if you get rid of the system. It actually gets way worse.

It is funny that in Piefed this topic is classified under “Chilling”

Man, some wild shit is going to happen before 2032. All of this is one scenario, yes, maybe, but this stuff is like weather forecasting on the Titanic at this point.

It’s not that serious a mystery.

If you stick people in tents in the desert, they tend to die. And, not a lot of people want to be involved with something like that, and so they’re making the point by giving absurd amounts of money to anyone who is willing to be involved. Same as the high salaries for ICE recruits.