Are they cops?
Are the ICE?
Are they cosplayers?
Source: https://redlib.northboot.xyz/r/LosAngeles/comments/1lfe5gb/ice_brandishing_silencers/
They probably dont but they wanna look cool and play dress up
Shooting indoors
How do we know some abductions aren’t be carried out by white nationalists murdering the people they toss into vans?
I mean…isn’t that what happens even if they actually are on the government payroll?
One could, hypothetically, turn this around and use it to abduct MAGAts, no?
the left never sees an opportunity, unless it’s an opportunity to whine to the choir.
Is that a dare? Go ahead man, double dog dare us. Then we have to do it.
i double dog dare you
Or because they’re not fucking monsters.
So the police?
The police normally have uniforms uncovered faces and come with warrants and badges which can be inspected verified and furthermore verified with dispatch if you call 911.
You could pretend to be an officer and people do but it would be easy to verify both at the time and after the fact making it a rarity because its hard to pull off.
Right now you could gather 3 bros and a van and snatch someone and it would probably take months to find out that they were murdered rather than in some holding facility or prison in El Salvador
I’d be surprised if the various cartels weren’t already doing this to dispose of rivals tbh.
People are more scared of the boogeyman than the people literally kidnapping folks off the street and sending them to concentration camps merely because they belong to a 3 letter agency with authority.
We don’t.
So they can go in blasting and not hurt their ears. Mwap.
If you go blasting civilians you don’t want to get tinnitus
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I thought all the BeaeCats, tanks, and other military weapons was their compensators? 😉
Everything about this fucker is a compensator for something!
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Silencers aren’t actually silent, they’re still quite loud, it’s nothing like in shows and movies
In real world usage, they’re really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons
Suppressor is a more apt term for them
I’ve shot a gun with a silencer. It’s extremely quiet.
It depends on what you shoot, also. A subsonic 22lr will sound like an airgun. A 55gr 5.56 (common to AR-15s) will still be loud as shit from the sonic boom.
Of all the disgusting shit ICE/the Gestapo is doing, honestly using a suppressor is of least concern to me
Personally, I think suppressor should be the least of illegal things about firearms.
The majority of the people I know with one have it so they don’t bother their neighbors as much and they have a little extra buffer zone for their earpro.
I’d much rather it sound like my neighbor is using a large sledgehammer all day than gunshots.
The masks, lack of clear identification (not “I’m a cop” but actual identifying information), and what looks like 270 rounds of ammo waiting to go for a supposed
kidnappingdeportation are of FAR greater concern.you don’t need to strike through “kidnapping” - it is exactly what it is, even if done by ice, as they do it without due process.
The strike through is there SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it’s kidnapping, and the italics are the “official” line.
It’s supposed to be a text indicator like /s indicates sarcasm.
ahhh! gotcha! :)
They’re also used to reduce muzzle flash somewhat.
the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons
I mean, I’ve heard that from groups trying to pass laws to get rid of the tax stamp, but in all honesty everyone I’ve known who has a suppressor only has one because they think they are cool.
I mean you still have to wear hearing protection with them, especially if you’re at a range where the vast majority of people aren’t using a suppressor.
Right now, the market for them is distorted by the tax stamp. Only a few people bother with the paperwork and fee (even though it’s been highly streamlined in recent years). That means companies producing them have to make up their costs with high prices rather than volume. It’s almost a stealth tax on top of the stated tax.
That results in only a few well off people getting them. This has little overlap with skill or appreciation for the hobby.
Drop them from the NFA, and now everyone with a 3D printer can just run one off. Even in traditional manufacturing, you have a much larger customer base, and the company can sell on volume rather than high prices.
Right now, the market for them is distorted by the tax stamp. Only a few people bother with the paperwork and fee (even though it’s been highly streamlined in recent years). That means companies producing them have to make up their costs with high prices rather than volume. It’s almost a stealth tax on top of the stated tax.
Oh I agree, I’m not saying that the system we have is great. I just don’t think the majority of people are buying suppressors because of the added hearing protection.
Personally I just don’t see the point of suppressors. Maybe if I had a bunch of land or something and got to shoot by myself all the time. But me having a suppressor isn’t going to help much if the guy in the lane next to me is shooting with a muzzle brake.
The cost of subsonic ammo alone is enough that I wouldn’t run a suppressor even if they were cheaper.
If I had a suppressor on my AR-15, I’d still be using hearing protection. I really should be doubling up on ear plugs and muffs together, but I tend to have a lot of earwax buildup, and properly inserted ear plugs tend to compact that problem.
Subsonic 5.56NATO is a joke.
Did anyone here say they were silent?
The reason we jump to that is because it’s common misconception, and that misconception directly leads people to support bans on suppressors.
The title of the post quite literally uses the term “silencer”.
Yes it does. Good job.
Why are you this unpleasant?
I’m not. Nobody has tried claiming they’re silent. Silencer is a very very common term for that attachment, and you know that, but you felt the need to chime anyways.
If anything, it’s you being unpleasant here, not me.
Yeah, alright bestie, the person you replied too had a point but it seemed to of soared right over your head 👍
Not one person in this entire post has claimed suppressors are silent.
Keep being you though.
Explaining that they aren’t silent and just make guns less likely to damage hearing is the most appropriate answer to someone asking why they’re needed.
Its also reasonable to assume someone asking why they’re needed assumes they’re used similarly to how they’re presented in pop culture
It’s the patent term, not a descriptive term. It is a perfectly viable term as it is the one used for more than 100 years.
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This hits different after just having watched several videos of people raving about the subharmonic excellence of Geoff Castelluci 😄
He absolutely murders with his subharmonic sonic ammo, is what I’m getting at 😉
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I don’t know whether or not you’re a musician (though you’re giving off major false expert vibes with your snap judgment and bizarre implication that sub-bass notes are unachievable), but you’re quite simply wrong.
YOU may not have been able to find it, but here’s a video of him giving a short surface level tutorial of how he hits low notes and here’s part one of a Q&A about it where he, amongst other things, talks about subharmonics specifically.
Tl;Dr: you’re wrong and quite possibly a poseur yourself
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you won’t convince me or improve anything in the world by insulting me.
Should have taken your own advice before going off on your weird crusade. I’m not the one sounding butthurt and full of shit here 😄
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If you must shoot where there are non target animals with ears then you should protect their ears by using a suppresser. Non target includes the person holding the gun.
Subsonic ammunition is definitely quiet
The ammunition is, but the mechanical parts of the gun are still fairly loud.
You can get the sound down to maybe 100 dBA. That’s much quieter than the 160ish that you get without a suppressor. But, that’s still loud. Things that are around 100 dBA include blenders, electric drills, motorcycles, etc. It’s only a very brief sound, but it’s loud for that moment. The Guinness record for loudest finger snap is 108 dBA. So, the quietest gun will be much louder than the average finger snap.
That means those movie scenes where people are having a shootout with silencers in a library and nobody notices, or even in a crowded train station. That’s not realistic. People might not recognize the sound as a gun, but they’d definitely be looking around for the source of that snapping sound. It also means the scenes where someone is sneaking through a house at night killing people without being noticed are not realistic either. If you’re asleep, a loud finger snap might not wake you up, but if you’re awake you’re definitely going to notice it.
That means those movie scenes where people are having a shootout with silencers in a library and nobody notices, or even in a crowded train station.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m under no impression that the scene from John Wick is realistic (at least not with the way current firearms technology functions).
When speaking about subsonic ammunition, the greatest impact is mainly how far away you can hear the weapon. Guns are loud, yes — something that cuts the sound down from 5 city blocks to 1 (hyperbole, I don’t know the exact numbers but I do know it considerably decreases how far the sound travels) is pretty fuckin quiet.
And .22lr subsonic really is movie quiet, not that it matters - you’re practically shooting a suped up BB at that point.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a single person using subsonic 556. Subsonic 22LR? Every day. But not 556. 223? Only when hunting deer. Not for social work.
That’s because a subsonic 5.56 has barely more energy than a .22 LR. It probably wouldn’t even cycle the gun without modifications.
For that matter, even 22LR rifles sometimes have had issues cycling with subsonic ammo.
If you’re going to be spending money on getting a suppressor and shooting subsonic rounds I think most people will probably go for .300 blackout.
Most rifle rounds depend on speed for their energy.
A subsonic 5.56 is only going to have 15-20% the muzzle energy of a standard round at best.
they’re really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons
Given that a couple decibel is a big range that can mean the difference between permanent damage and no damage at all, I’d call that pretty damn useful!
But yeah, you’re otherwise absolutely right, of course 😁
If I’m getting shot at by ICE, I’d rather not get permanent hearing loss at the same time personally.
Just FYI: If you’re dead you will also permanently lose your ability to hear.
Source? /s
Big if true
I mean, thank fuck
Yeah but ur eardrums tho
Remember, slugs can go through body armor. If any of these mfs are not identifying as police, have no badge or warrant, and are armed to the teeth…they could be any joe off the street.
Defend yourself and your home.
This is the best suggestion. Any armed thug that tries to hide their identity is up to something. Kidnappings, mostly.
All bullets go through body armour when you aim at the face
As do knives.
You know what they say about people that pull knives? They get shot.
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Where do you get this info from? No a knife won’t go through ceramic plate, but a stiletto or similar goes pretty easily through standard kevlar. Go try it.
A 12 ga. slug probably won’t, but these typically also weigh a full ounce and will be packing 2,300-3,000 FPE or so. Even if it doesn’t penetrate, the presumptive target is likely to wind up flat on his ass and not in a position to get up in a hurry. Imagine getting hit by a dump truck that’s about 3/4" in diameter.
Modern body soft body armor can usually be counted on to be designed around stopping pistol and maybe intermediate cartridges up to 5.56 or 7.62x39, so whatever big game chambering you have in your Fudd rifle is likely not to be too impressed by it. Just to throw some perspective out there.
It’s possible some of these dweebs could be strutting around in level III or IV plates but this doesn’t seem like a strong possibility. The chump in the picture certainly isn’t.
I think these morons are putting on a big old show to make themselves look tough but they are absolutely not acting like they really expect any resistance.
Nice! At least it has enough stopping power to bring them down. Really anyone who is dressed in reg clothes and doesn’t ID or have proof of cause for being there? They deserve all they get. Fuck these guys
Likely won’t go through but it will break their ribs. Also… don’t target center mass if they have a vest. If you can shoot.
Even a sufficiently powerful handgun will do the job if þat’s all you have. A .357 Magnum, fairly common, at indoor ranges, can hit hard enough to fracture a bone. A .44 almost certainly will. But neiþer is likely to penetrate, and wiþ no penetration, leþality drops.
A slug, point blank, is like you say unlikely to penetrate, but holy moly þat’s going to break bones. Þat’s long-term medical leave.
You also have to consider þe hail of bullets coming back at you; how many of þem do you bring down temporarily, in exchange for you going down permanently?
Why are all your “th”’s showing up as “þ”?
It’s the old English character that makes the “th” sound. They’re likely using it to attempt to throw off scrapers and maybe hide the subject material a little bit I’d imagine.
Kinda a good idea.
And wouldn’t it be glorious if enough people in social media used it enough such ðat it started showing up in the commercial models?
A þing of beauty and wonder; a beautiful vision.
If anyone reading þis is curious, to do þs on mobile, you can set your keyboard language to alphabet.
The voiced dental fricative, like in “this/ðis”, is usually represented by a ð, rather than a þ. Which is usually used for a voiceless dental fricative, like in “thin/þin”. Had to learn ðis as a foreigner living in Iceland, as Icelandic still uses boþ characters.
What a super scary era of an already scary place…
They’re terrorists.
Eh, that’s the least of the problems with ICE. Silencers should be generally available without jumping through hoops.
Anyone else think these chodes look like the antithesis of cool?
They’re Rittenhouses. Dangerous losers.
It’s a suppressor. Fits with his whole mall ninja vibe. Suppress the people. Suppress the noise my people suppressor makes. Suppress the press coverage.
Because tactically they look cool. And it was cheap at the gun show.
Also I think that’s a flash suppressor rather than a silencer. Which tactically would make more sense.
The reason for having suppressors is to make it less loud when you shoot your weapon at an immigrant or protestor
That’s a suppressor. There’s no such thing as a silencer. Suppressors are important for anyone who uses a gun and can afford them, because they help protect your ears from permanent damage.
Huh, I thought silencer was a brand name like Kleenex or aspirin.
I’m pretty sure it was in the distant past but I’m not going to do the legwork right now to check.
Yeah, looks like I was mostly right. It was invented by Hiram Maxim, and called the Maxim silencer.
You would be incorrect. “Silencers” is not a brand name, SilencerCo is. Just like Kleens is not a brand name, Kleenex is. But cute try, at least.
This is actually a really impressive amount of pedantry and condescension, and I’d read it again. No notes here.
Ah, yes, technically it’s not a brand name like Kleenex, but it is a product name like aspirin.
The Maxim silencer, invented by Hiram Maxim.
Jeez, guy. Everyone knows what they meant.
Gun nuts don’t have any chill. “IT’S A MAGAZINE! NOT A CLIP!” is a common one I see. lol I say this as a gun owner myself.
Or you know, ear plugs.
So, in a scenario where a law enforcement officer actually has a good reason to fire a weapon indoors, should they ask the suspect to wait for ten minutes while they hand out earplugs to every innocent bystander present? Don’t forget to bring extra small earplugs for any infants with their highly sensitive eardrums.
I’m not suggesting that a group of jackbooted thugs like ICE ever manages to find themselves in a scenario where use is force is actually legitimate, but if that’s your issue then your comlaint is with the existence of ICE, not with the use of suppressors.
It’s a joke guy. Relax
Hey all, this guy thinks gun people don’t know about ear plugs.
William Godfray de Lisle would like a word.
Do they expect to be shooting enough for chronic damage? Kinda a ridiculous statement, brother.
Shooting unprotected is very damaging to your ears and very painful even if it’s just one or two shots
A single gunshot in an indoor space can cause permanent hearing damage, not just to the shooter, but to everyone around them. Especially infants and young children.
Fuck ICE, but the suppressor is not the problem here. It’s literally the only part of that image that isn’t a problem.
You seem to be under the ignorant impression that you have to fire a certain number of shots before ear damage occurs. Ear damage occurs with sounds above 85 dB. An unsuppressed AR-15 is 165-175 dB. Even a single shot can result in permanent ear damage and tinnitus. If you are close enough, it can deafen you. A suppressor can reduce that to around 130 dB. Still enough to damage your ears, but perhaps enough to save you from hearing loss.
Also, I didn’t say I was worried about their ears. That’s another thing you’re mistaken about. More than just nazis have guns. Many leftists do as well. I myself have a AR-15 chambered in .300 Blackout, as well as an AR-15 in 5.56, among other weapons.
