Oh no. Anyways…
Who knew there were so many leopards about?
Nah. Good luck with that though, dipshit.
She’s right about the unity. I know there is some schadenfreud here, but at the end of the day if Trump voyers want to change their minds it’s a good thing.
Finally, one that says they wish they made a different choice. Unfortunately, if this didn’t happen to someone close to her, she would probably still be for this.
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“Contempt for the con-men, compassion for the conned”
James O’Brien
I want to feel this way.
But after so many years of this shit, one has no excuses to be this goddamned stupid at this point.
We need to keep smashing their noses into the shit-pile they just made; ruthlessly and relentlessly. Mock them and ostracize them.
I say this as someone who’s extremely conflict-avoidant: fuck coming together with these dipshits. If you drop a giant turd on my bed, we are going to have a problem, and I will not be nice to you about it.
We won’t have real change in this country until people feel real deep, visceral, heartbreaking shame for what they have done to all of us - not just “oops, it affected me now, I change my mind” fauxpology. That’s not how it works, buttercup, fuck you.
Every vote who vocalizes their regret is another nut for me. Every tear these morons spill, and every shudder of breath they experience as they sob is the same. If their media spun trump’s message in a certain direction, then it is ABSOLUTELY their fault for not inquiring more. The man ran on a fucking border wall to keep out immigrants last election. Why on earth would they not expect to be included in these violations of human rights? This will sound excessively harsh, but I hope she gets notice of her father’s passing on some sort of live stream, because viewing those tears live would be pure bliss on my end. Have the day you voted for has acquired a whole new meaning in her world.
except it fundamentally makes no fucking sense, deporting criminals isn’t good, it’s saying “Hey we don’t want to make sure these people can’t hurt others, you have them!”
them thinking trump only wanted to deport criminals doesn’t make it better, it just makes it bad in a different way.
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The percentage that would vote differently is single digit. 2% from the polls. They’re not regretting much.
They’ll vote the same way at the first opportunity
They’ll perform some shitty mental gymnastics to justify it, but they’ll do it
They don’t disapprove of the deportation efforts (or the tariffs, or anything else), they just think he’s “going about it the wrong way”. Which means they’ll happily vote for the next Republican promising the same things, figuring “this time’ll be different”.
They only think it’s the “wrong way” when they’re affected
Anyone who votes for any conservative does so because they want certain groups to be hurt
It’s shitty behaviour
Do they want to change their mind, or are they upset it affected them?
Don’t mistake short term anger for long term change. These people aren’t going to reevaluate their positions in life.
Those nails tell the story.
Selfish people. Its still a me me me attitude, but now she wants everyone else to come and do what she wants to get what she wants.
I’d put money on the fact that if put in a situation where she was asked to help someone else’s family first she would say “But what about MY father!?”
Its still a me me me attitude
I don’t know why I read that in Italian accent.
🤌🤌🤌
Now I’m reading his entire post as Mario
I feel like the solution to this is more Luigi, tbh.
People would be less selfish if they didn’t feel so hopeless.
Totally non sequitur question:
Does an apathy tree… grow, or exude apathy?
… or is it too uninterested to grow at all in the first place?
If left alone, it grows unimaginably large and towering, imposing, shading out smaller things that are useful for diversity and overall system integrity. The only option to prevent the overgrowth and strangulation of positive things is to constantly prune the apathy back before it gets too big. A truly sisyphean undertaking.
I think of it like rain forest canopy trees.
That is a well written answer, thank you!
We needed that 8 months ago when you knowingly voted against it.
Now YOU want it.
Enjoy those tears, you earned them.
At the same time, extending that hand is what will help. If a person is able to go “omg NOW I get it” and then the door is shut in their face, that will foster even more resentment.
Some people wont change, but those that are willing should be accepted.
In the absense of four prior years and quite specific intentions stated clearly of enacting these very policies I’d agree with you. The only revelation here is them finding the scorpion would sting them like they said they would. I’ve no compassion left for those that gleefully voted for this cruelty and were deliberately ignorant that they too were targets.
This one doesn’t get it, though.
This fully grown legal adult didn’t have self awareness 8 months ago, I doubt they’re going to suddenly develop it. If you are nice or sympathetic to them, you just reinforce their beliefs that they are the victim and everyone should care about them the most.
I’m sympathetic to her father. She can kick rocks. I have no sympathy for her.
The right wing is using propaganda tactics that are known to brainwash and dupe many people, and you’re not going to treat those who got brainwashed and duped like victims too? Yes, they’re adults, and that means that they have to take responsibility for their vote. Once they do, admit they were conned, and express willingness to join the fight, it’s important we accept them with open arms so they know our side is better than the other side.
As long as they’re doubling down on fascism? Hard agree, they can kick rocks. Once they see what’s really going on and are willing to fight it? Welcome to the team, sorry about what happened to your dad, let’s see if we can get him back.
Every person like this is an opportunity to gain an ally. It’s an opportunity to find out if this person was conned or is selfish. We lose that opportunity if we mock them instead of offering a hand in solidarity.
The right wing is using propaganda tactics that are known to brainwash and dupe many people…
No one is forcing people to consume that content. It’s weak propaganda at best, easily seen through, and there is no shortage of well-sourced refutations of their lies. Have you tried talking to any trump supporters? When given direct evidence that they are wrong, and have been mislead by right wing media, they simply double down.
… you’re not going to treat those who got brainwashed and duped like victims too.
Absolutely not. They are not children who are sharing the opinions of their parents, they are full-grown voting adults in a society where all of human knowledge is available in their fucking pockets. I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016, but at this point, he has a proven track record of racist, authoritarian and incompetent management of the country.
Not everyone has the luxury of the free time and effort to pay enough attention, and those people vote. I’m not suggesting absolving them of their individual responsibility. They contributed and they have to reckon with that. I’m suggesting that we recognise the role that the system they exist in plays, too. And that they’re human which means they have all the failings that come along with that.
Do we hold Oppenheimer responsible for all the deaths the Manhatten Project caused? I argue we shouldn’t, but he still had to personally reckon with the moral weight of it.
Two things can both be true: someone can have been part of the cause of injustice and join the fight for justice. We can both hold them accountable; and encourage their growth, offer them grace, and welcome them to the right side of history. We don’t have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn’t help IMO.
(As I’ve said elsewhere, no reservations about mocking the unrepentant)
We don’t have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn’t help IMO…
Yeah, but we’re on round 3 for people listening to trump’s campaigns.
Also in case you missed it…
I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016.
Honestly, it’s gone so badly the last 3 rounds that I really think we ought to have a basic “in touch with reality test” and then weight votes based on whether people can answer objective true/false questions like… “The earth is a flat disc being accellerating upwards through space” and “Bacteria and Viruses are real, and can cause diseases.”
Ugh but they suck so bad…
Jokes aside, how can we trust people that have already displayed such selfishness? How can we trust they won’t continue to work against the group interest the second their goal is no longer aligned with ours?
We don’t need to. Anyone on our side even temporarily is useful.
Maybe we need to start treating lack of empathy like more of an intellectual / educational problem, rather than a moral failing in like your “soul”? If only just so we can forgive people enough to actually work with them.
I’m spitballin, but I can work with ignorance or even feeblemindedness - you just focus on education or harm reduction. Like maybe they’ll never never be able to see outgroups as fully human, but with the right kind of external validations and incentives, maybe they could stimulate it.
It does really seem like a societal issue. We incentivize this behavior, so it shouldn’t be surprising when people display it.
I don’t know. My sister is a psychopath. She cannot understand the feelings of the other people around her, no matter how clearly or explicitly or adamantly they are explained to her.
We have a lot of psychopaths out there running the government and in positions of power and in positions of authority and serving as megaphones for their interests.
No amount of explaining empathy or extending hands or teaching will ever get through to these people.
They are fundamentally broken in a way that cannot be fixed.
That’s what I was trying to get at with my talk of incentives and external validation - Stop trying to “fix” them and accept that they lack the capacities that we take for granted.
I’m through with caring about what’s in someone’s heart of hearts. Can we get them to behave, even if it’s out of fear of being ostracised? Fine. Good enough.
Then work on the conditions that make people maladaptive (or really just adaptive to a mal world) separately.
that’s basically the approach that all of popular culture had been taking since like 2008. like that was the attitude of the last 20 years. show these bigots that if they at least pretend to play nice we can all get along and be more prosperous for it.
they hated it. it’s the “woke mind virus” to them now. I genuinely don’t believe people like this will ever be ok in a kind and accepting world. I also don’t think that trying to get rid of them will solve this problem… i don’t know if there is a solution to some people being mentally incapable of empathy, but it certainly doesn’t help that it’s so baked into our culture now.
capitalism is highly compatible with a lack of empathy. it’s a system that inherently promotes those with no scruples. the less you feel bad about being a piece of shit for money, the more money you’ll be able to make. it’s a predatory system where those most willing and able to cannibalize everyone and everything around them for personal gain will gain the most. those that gain the most are then also in a position to manipulate both political votes and public opinion. they blatantly bribe our politicians and they own our media platforms. this is especially problematic on social media. if you were a young American on tiktok in the last u.s. election you probably saw numerous vague tiktoks about kamala starting WWIII. no quotes, no context, just “me and the boys after kamala starts wwiii” type shit. as I understand it nearly every major election around the world since then has seen tiktok flooded with “memes” like that supporting the right wing candidate. we’re certainly not going to make any progress on this issue while that’s the world we live in.
maybe a stable enough government with keen enough regulations can at least try to keep these people from completely raiding the hen house. we’ll have to see how things play out with Germany and the afd ban, but I’m not too hopeful on that playing out well in our current situation.
IDK, I’m half convinced that humanity is eternally doomed to repeat the same mistakes. with long periods of everything sucking because too few have or want too great a percentage of what humanity has claimed their own and the occasional period where things are accidentally not that bad.
we are currently leaving one of those brief periods of “not that bad”
FDR, Churchill, and Stalin made it work…
Her vote says she didn’t give a fuck about anybody else’s father, so why should anybody else give a fuck about hers?
Yeah but I am a white dude who had a fairly privileged liberal upbringing, so while I can look at this and snear who actually needs minoritories to betray themselves out of fear? It isn’t minorities… they don’t have the powerr…
Hmmm…
I adjust the mirror to stare at it and ponder
I remember all your GeNoCiDe JoE bullshit so you’re no better
Well Genocide Joe let the Palestinian Genocide happen so I am better than him.
Also “bullshit”?
Go away you cynical selfish ghoul.
You own a little piece of what trump is doing right now whether you admit it or not.
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I voted for Kamala
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I am not an elected official
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I did not force the DNC to be silent on the Palestinian Genocide
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You are blaming me, a random internet commentor, for the actions taken by some of the most powerful people on earth who would laugh at me telling them to do something
You are blaming me, a random internet commentor, for the actions taken by some of the most powerful people on earth who would laugh at me telling them to do something
the world is not black and white. there is not a single person or group to blame. biden is to blame for his support of israel, kamala is to blame for her silence, the DNC is to blame for constantly shifting right, RNC/trump/etc OBVIOUSLY to blame, and people screaming “genocide joe” over every debate about everything are ALSO to blame
you let a single (important, awful) issue, THAT TRUMP WAS ALSO OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE WORSE ON make you a mouthpiece for right wing propaganda
i wonder how many people didn’t vote because of that bullshit line? hmm? you think you’re not to blame? you’re not the ONLY one who is to blame
you let a single (important, awful) issue, THAT TRUMP WAS ALSO OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE WORSE ON make you a mouthpiece for right wing propaganda
oh really? what right wing propaganda specifically?
Genocide Joe
You can hide behind whatever flimsy statements you want but the fact is you went around discouraging Democratic votes
Biden supporters/centrists who can’t grapple with their complicity in the Genocide of Palestinians will continue to hide behind their denial that they opened the door to one of the worst attrocities in my lifetime that was directly enabled by Biden and Harris refused to make any daylight between her and Biden on it.
When are y’all gonna stop being bitter losers? Do you think there are some amount of consequences for the decisions others made that will make me feel bad for a decision I did not make?
I voted for Kamala, you have nothing to attack me with but your own bitterness about not being on the right side of history.
“I voted for kamala but somehow also pretended that other people shouldn’t because trump totally wasn’t worse for Gaza and now I’m morally superior for… something!”
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Kamala owns a much bigger part of it than any individual voter
At least for once they actually seem to regret their vote. Fuck her anyway though, just like all the others they only care when it personally affects them directly. You voted for this to happen to everyone else, turns out that includes you and your family too.
Scrolled down 2 pages to find and upvote this.
It’s really sad that we practically have to forgive them if we want to progress as a society. Because I agree with your sentiment…
But
We can’t exterminate them. They are gonna live here on the other side of this, whatever that looks like. Those who have a genuine change and see not just that trump was wrong, but that they were either wrong or very very gullible should be forgiven and accepted as allies. We’re gonna need all the people we can get on our side through what’s coming.
“We tried to warn you. Welcome to the resistance.”
I fucking despise people like this
They’re fine with hurting people, so long as they’re not hurt themselves
Really wish this sort of regret were more common. Approval ratings are holding steady
Look at what’s going on with the Trump phone. Obvious lie, media doesn’t even dig into it. Trump gets the headline and the win. As seems to happen every time, the media is back to loving him again. I have a feeling things to this new wall-to-wall flattering coverage, his approval rating is actually gonna start inching up again. And this is made my faith in America completely evaporate.
There are two wolves inside me.
- This is horrible, no one should have to live through that.
- lol get dunked on plays Toby Fox’s Dogsong sped up
You sleep in the bed you made.
