The right wing is using propaganda tactics that are known to brainwash and dupe many people…
No one is forcing people to consume that content. It’s weak propaganda at best, easily seen through, and there is no shortage of well-sourced refutations of their lies. Have you tried talking to any trump supporters? When given direct evidence that they are wrong, and have been mislead by right wing media, they simply double down.
… you’re not going to treat those who got brainwashed and duped like victims too.
Absolutely not. They are not children who are sharing the opinions of their parents, they are full-grown voting adults in a society where all of human knowledge is available in their fucking pockets. I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016, but at this point, he has a proven track record of racist, authoritarian and incompetent management of the country.
Not everyone has the luxury of the free time and effort to pay enough attention, and those people vote. I’m not suggesting absolving them of their individual responsibility. They contributed and they have to reckon with that. I’m suggesting that we recognise the role that the system they exist in plays, too. And that they’re human which means they have all the failings that come along with that.
Do we hold Oppenheimer responsible for all the deaths the Manhatten Project caused? I argue we shouldn’t, but he still had to personally reckon with the moral weight of it.
Two things can both be true: someone can have been part of the cause of injustice and join the fight for justice. We can both hold them accountable; and encourage their growth, offer them grace, and welcome them to the right side of history. We don’t have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn’t help IMO.
(As I’ve said elsewhere, no reservations about mocking the unrepentant)
We don’t have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn’t help IMO…
Yeah, but we’re on round 3 for people listening to trump’s campaigns.
Also in case you missed it…
I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016.
Honestly, it’s gone so badly the last 3 rounds that I really think we ought to have a basic “in touch with reality test” and then weight votes based on whether people can answer objective true/false questions like… “The earth is a flat disc being accellerating upwards through space” and “Bacteria and Viruses are real, and can cause diseases.”
No one is forcing people to consume that content. It’s weak propaganda at best, easily seen through, and there is no shortage of well-sourced refutations of their lies. Have you tried talking to any trump supporters? When given direct evidence that they are wrong, and have been mislead by right wing media, they simply double down.
Absolutely not. They are not children who are sharing the opinions of their parents, they are full-grown voting adults in a society where all of human knowledge is available in their fucking pockets. I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016, but at this point, he has a proven track record of racist, authoritarian and incompetent management of the country.
Not everyone has the luxury of the free time and effort to pay enough attention, and those people vote. I’m not suggesting absolving them of their individual responsibility. They contributed and they have to reckon with that. I’m suggesting that we recognise the role that the system they exist in plays, too. And that they’re human which means they have all the failings that come along with that.
Do we hold Oppenheimer responsible for all the deaths the Manhatten Project caused? I argue we shouldn’t, but he still had to personally reckon with the moral weight of it.
Two things can both be true: someone can have been part of the cause of injustice and join the fight for justice. We can both hold them accountable; and encourage their growth, offer them grace, and welcome them to the right side of history. We don’t have to forgive, but mocking (at first) doesn’t help IMO.
(As I’ve said elsewhere, no reservations about mocking the unrepentant)
Yeah, but we’re on round 3 for people listening to trump’s campaigns.
Also in case you missed it…
Honestly, it’s gone so badly the last 3 rounds that I really think we ought to have a basic “in touch with reality test” and then weight votes based on whether people can answer objective true/false questions like… “The earth is a flat disc being accellerating upwards through space” and “Bacteria and Viruses are real, and can cause diseases.”