Ahhh are we just gonna ignore hamas’s butchery? I’m even more not a psychopath because I oppose that as well as Israel’s. y’all messed up for leaving that out.
You’re just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German “civilians” to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
Didn’t hamas march into Israel and were joined by non combatants then butcher and kidnap 1200? Seems different
The place they marched into is where their parents and grandparents lived before Israel ethnically cleansed it, driving them into the ghetto they’re currently in.
Still non combatants. Are you saying the indigenous people of your country should be allowed to kill anyone who lives there now?
There’s a difference in time scale here; there’s still living people who remember the nakba. But indigenous people are absolutely justified in resisting their own oppression. Also the immediate purpose of getting hostages was to get Israel to release hostages it took first.
Yes, Hamas has done terrible things in the past, including the Oct 7 massacre, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s extreme response.
Both sides are absolutely committed to the total genocide of the other. The difference is that Hamas has no way of carrying out that genocide, so it’s only empty words at this point. OTOH, Israel is fully capable of committing total genocide against the Palestinians, and has finally decided that the time has arrived to do it.
It is impossible for me to SUPPORT one side or another, but it is imperative for me to always condemn genocide, by anyone, against anyone. There is NEVER a situation where genocide is justifiable.
This will eventually backfire against Israel in an extremely horrible way. Every Middle Eastern country wants a nuclear weapon, and a large part of our diplomatic efforts involve keeping nuclear weapons out of their hands. Eventually, someone will get one, and Israel’s enthusiastic genocide will be used as justification for their use.
Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
You would have "both-sides"ed the Holocaust
Gonna state the obvious: Resistance to oppression is justified.
https://jacobin.com/2025/04/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-gaza-genocide
It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
One side is trying to destroy an apartheid state, the other is trying to destroy children. Stop equivocating the two
You are aware that if given the chance, Hamas would be the apartheid state
I am not, how come?
Hamas have a mandate to destroy Israel. They were democratically elected to do so.
The one that happened for one day, two years ago, and got followed by two years of carpet bolbing civilians?
Yeah i’m sure you’re bringing them up in good faith lmao
This is like saying “well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?” in 1939.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
Killing 1200 people is still bad
They didn’t kill 1200, and even if they had, that number is negligible compared to the amount of Palestinians Israel had already murdered before October 7th, and basically 0 compared to how many they’ve killed since.
You just only care about white people.
Jewish people are white now?
Israelis are. Its a white supremacist mindset they have, which is why they do shit like sterilising ethiopian jews against their knowledge
For anyone seeing this comment this nunber also a lie. Last proven around 700 or 800 killed ignoring how many killed by Israeli themselves shilling homes where hamas had israeli hostages and cars that trying to get into gaza with hostages.
That makes it ok I suppose. And I’m sure Gaza would have been leveled if hamas decided to kill zero too.
Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Don’t Israelies have that right too?
No, occupied people have that right, occupiers do not.
Ah I see so the Indians should slay Americans who are immigrants? And perhaps those immigrants should slay the newer immigrants? /s
Indians aren’t forced into an open air prison and denied self determination or citizenship.
You can’t starve children to death in self defence.
Agree. There’s a lot they are doing that is awful. Both sides are doing awful things is my point
One side is literally thousands of times more awful, let’s deal with that first
You would have said the same about the holocaust
Let’s compare the numbers, so far a 1200 Israeli’s were murdered on the opening day, and maybe 100 more deaths from combat. Total deaths 1300-ish. In the Gaza strip alone over 62,000-ish people have been killed. Using Israel’s numbers from before the war they estimated maybe 50,000 active Hamas members. It’s orders of magnitude different. Even assuming Hamas died first that still means Israel murdered 12,000 innocent people. Hamas is bad, but the state of Israel is a genocidal monster.
There will always be collateral damage even though it’s very hard to justify and basically impossible to justify when there’s children involved. I will point out that the line between Hamas combatant and “civilian” can be very grey. Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing they had a mandate to destroy Israel. On the oct 7 attacks Hamas were joined by non combatants. Imagine your army marching down your street on their way to kill your neighbour so you put down what you’re doing to join them and kill your neighbour too. This is basically what happened
62,000 is the number of confirmed munitions deaths and it’s been frozen for months. The actual total killed has been estimated in the arena of half a million.
Which side is guilty of genocide? Which side are the invaders and settlers, and which side are the indigenous resistance?
Hamas aren’t fighting Jews in Europe or North America, they are resisting those who have stolen their lands and besieged them.
October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
Yeah didn’t OP know that it’s illegal to mention Israel’s crimes without also mentioning Hamas in the same sentence?
It’s a paragraph, not a sentence
Cool.
truly the important thing
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Follow the money
Also racism
It’s actually a little hard for me to understand why there’s money there. Are there really just that many rich Israelis? What money is there in genocide?
June 2023, Benjamin Mileikowsky later known as Netanyahu, went to the UN assembly, and showed a map for a new middle east. He draw a line of a gas pipe that cross from Qatar all the way to Gaza, leading to Europe.
Prior to that February 2023, Israel signed a deal with Lebanon and Hezbollah for maritime border and gas mining.
Prior to that, not sure when exactly, but there were an estimated billions worth of gas and oil off the shore of Gaza.
With Europe still dependent on Russian gas and oil, European countries are looking for alternative.
This is made Palestinian realized that they will be crushed. For Zionist to establish these massive supply chain, they need to address Palestinian. Hamas decided to put Israel and the world in confrontation of its own colonist project, this base on a statement by Sinwar. Otherwise, it will be a slow death without much backlash.
This is in regards of current event and how many play into it.
There are also the other side. The US economy completely dependent on Military. Zionist knew this very earlier, all they have to do is to angle themselves in a situation where they control the US government to benefit the most.
Before that Zionist ideology “a Jew State” which ironically similar to “Islamic State” aka “ISIS” as a concept started earlier than WWI.
this ideology is supported by two group: Jew Zionist such and Christian Zionist.
You can look into how Zionist started, and how one of the richest family in the world influenced the initial promise by UK for European Jew to take over Palestine here more about it:
Edmond James de Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_James_de_Rothschild
You can get lost in this because it will answer question, how they control media, US government, and most Tech companies. Mix that with religious view for multiple groups and you will end up with the most pure and supported genocidal project in modern times.
P.S: there are also part of association with Nazi Germany, and conspiracy theories about where the Nazi gold went, control of banks in NewYork, and even facts regarding Maxwell a double UK and Mosad agent and the father of Epstein assistance running a blackmail ring in the US. Along with fact regarding how every hotel / room in Israel is most likely have spy camera ( they also tried to put spy camera in the washroom after visiting the UK PM a while back) and you end up with fuck tons of power over influencer people.
Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
You can spot lizard people by their lack of empathy towards humans. Clear sign they aren’t human.
This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.
Who will be ignored next?
Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.
My entire school life there was so much pontification over what “you” would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?
Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.
Who will be ignored next?
- Sudan
- Myanmar
- Armenia
- Afghanistan
- Tibet
These aren’t next, these are already forgotten even though they’re catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it’s one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people’s minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they’re noble and righteous, but they won’t actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they’ll move on to that because it’s new and we have short attention spands.
How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
I didn’t forget syria. The fact the west is perfectly content with an ex isis leader just tells you everything you need to know about their moral high ground
You are entirely correct. People like to think the war is over, but it’s still very much on going.
How is ukraine forgetten we’re constantly told that we should buy more bombs. Meanwhile i can’t see my mum because hospitals are understaffed
I think it’s media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
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So you’re a fucking psychopath, huh?
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You would have supported the annihilation of the Warsaw ghetto using the same reasoning.
One atrocity does not justify another.
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Funny how it doesn’t’ go the other way; why do none of Israel’s attacks on Gaza justify October 7th?
So you have anything to comment that shows you actually read what you’re commenting on?
Edit: Or did I miss obvious sarcasm?
No, you didn’t. Definitely not sarcasm. Check their post history if you need confirmation.
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Oh, so you’re an idiot. Thanks for clarifying.
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Your reading comprehension is bad
If you’re so insistent on Israel butchering children, join the IDF. It’d make it easier to know that you’re a piece of shit.
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Hamas killed 29 kids on Oct 7
And the IDF has killed/injured 50,000 children - Gonna condemn them now?
maybe you should also join Hamas since you’re such a freedom fighter
Didn’t know Palestine was synonymous with Hamas now.
you’ve got the slogans down already. Good job number 1 habibi
Wow, didn’t know KHAMAS INVENTED ARABIC too! 🙄
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When the fuck did i say that? Of course it’s horrible to kill children, Israeli or palestinian. October 7th was horrible yet inevitable. Now, do you disavow the IDF?
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Yeah of course I’m not out here cheering for the IDF but at the same time they’re literally killing Hamas, Hezb, and dealing with the houthis and whatever Iranian backed groups that exist to destabilize
“that exist to destabilize” elaborate. I do not like Iran, but why/what are they destabilizing? So far, Israel has been way more harmful than Iran.
And, is it fucking worth it? Killing/besieging Gaza in the name of “fighting terror”?
And for fuck sake, hamas/hezb/houthis literally would’ve never existed if not for Israel/western meddling.
how was Oct 7 inevitable
After ~80 years of genocide, are you really surprised that an event like this happened?
So it’s ok for Israel to kill 50,000 children? Just trying to understand your logic here. Do you disavow Isreal?
This person LOVES HITLER!
-The ADL and MOST American Politicians!
Nah, like usual, religion is solely to blame here.
If you think religion is solely to blame here, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. This goes back to the british mandate, WW1 and the arab revolt; not just religion.
This is settler colonialism, judaism != zionism.
Religion obviously does have some part in this, but to pin this genocide solely on “religion” is ignorant, and reductive.
Ah, yes, the genocide and its fascist underpinnings created by seculer atheists inspired by Renaissance and Enlightenment ideals are completely the fault of religion.
Absolutely, religion is at the heart of fascism. But it’s probably not the religion that you’re thinking of…
Aka muslims deserved it. Hardcore atheists are cringe af
Conflating Zionism with Judaism is how you create antisemitism. One of the largest constituencies of antizionism is in the Jewish community itself.
All religions are evil. This specific one is causing the genocide in Gaza right now.
What specific religion? The majority of zios are christian. The only relevant “religion” is fascism.
OMG, so antisemitic… /s
“Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don’t deserve human empathy” - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
“Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”
And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:
“Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
I don’t X, because Y.
❌ confusing
- states “I don’t X” when it means “I do X”
- states “Y” is a reason when it isn’t
I do X, not because Y.
✔️clear
- states “I do X” as intended & “Y” isn’t a reason
also
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no link to source
no alt text
breaks web & accessibilitycringe
I smell toast.
Do you also oppose the white genocide the far right whackos are always going on about? What are you a psychopath?!?!?
Or maybe you don’t oppose the “white genocide” because you know it’s an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?
How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide different from the far right’s accusations of Jews committing a white genocide? Because you “did your own research on the internet”?
Even Netanyahu himself says that the ratio of civilian deaths is over 50%.
Over 50%! From the horse’s mouth!
Most experts have it at 80%, but even Netanyahu’s figure is fucking insane. If not a genocide, it’s an absolutely negligent way to run a conflict, with zero value given for human life.
“BuT HaMaS hIDeS iN TuNnELs”…and Israel has one of the best equipped militaries in the world. How big is their drone fleet? If you can’t figure out how to take out 1 dude without disintegrating an entire city block, then you need to quit.
So the “best case” scenario is “The Israel government is extremely irresponsible with weapons and needs to stop”. Whether or not you think it qualifies as a “genocide”, it needs to fucking stop, we need to stop supplying them with weapons, and the world needs to apply more pressure. We can Nuremberg it up later, after the children have stopped being brutally and needlessly murdered.
Or maybe you don’t oppose the “white genocide” because you know it’s an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?
Yes. That one. Obviously.
I respect your noble dedication to epistemology, but at some stage it’s perfectly reasonable to say that herding millions of people into an increasingly small area whilst forcibly starving and bombing them is a genocide, whilst having an immigrant population of less than 15% is not a genocide.
Because nobody bombed white people concentration camps for two years idiot
How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide
Is it really propaganda when there’s thousands of videos showing all the horrible shit Isreal’s been doing in Gaza?
How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide different from the far right’s accusations of Jews committing a white genocide?
Because one is real and not the other. Surprising, I know.
Because you did your own research on the internet
Erm… I think virtually every human rights organisation on the planet have done their research and confirm a genocide is being committed. As well as international courts.
Like the old adage goes, if one person thinks you’re a cunt you’re likely not a cunt, If everybody thinks you’re a cunt chances are you are in fact a cunt.
You shouldn’t blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.
That’s not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.
In a certain sense you’re right; psychop*th is Greek for “suffering soul”. It’s supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it’s a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren’t the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.
I’m talking about psychology, not history. Sociopathy is not considered an illness.
Faith isn’t the reason, it’s the excuse
I didn’t say it was faith either. It’s not mental illness or faith.
To be fair the OP didn’t call it mental illness either. They said something was wrong with them as a person.
They said they oppose genocide because they’re not a psychop*th. That’s not appropriate language. We don’t use slurs, and we don’t blame Zionism on ASPD.
… Psychopath is a slur?
It is a conscious decision to commit genocide, using Judaism as a cover to protect them from criticism. Intentionally bombing children does mean something is wrong with you IMO
Notice how OP used the term butchery? Like a conflict between two powers of different scale. It’s a war not a genocide. I believe Hamas is the one that actively calls for genocide “kill all the Jews? Death to america?”. That’s pretty much the mission objective: it’s frequently stated. Comes from Iran like all the funny news you listen too.
Israel just doesn’t give a fuck about civilian casualties. War crimes absolutely. Couple of day keeps the terrorism away that’s their motto.
Both sides are bad, but you’re actively supporting the one that actively is pursuing genocide while verbally proclaiming it.
If Israel wanted to commit a genocide of the Palestinian people, it would’ve been done decades ago because of the imbalance of military power.
Ah yes it’s not a genocide because they didn’t kill enough people yet
religion is a powerful motivator, often used to get gullibles to commit awful crimes
Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It’s a curious topic.
No, they’re not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
You’re thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
It’s working it’s way in there. Give it a few more years and they’ll be able to institutionalize us for TDS.
What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
IDK but I’ve definitely self-diagnosed with it.
I think all fascism is a mental illness.
Luckily, there is a treatment, as demonstrated by one of its most famous sufferers. It can even be self administered!
I’m all for suicide jokes, but equating fascism with mental illness is taking the joke too far.
More like a plague, but it is. It is genuinely a sickness.
Neurodivergent people should be allowed to make decisions. Fascists should be shot. That’s the difference.
Sure, because theyre a danger to the rest of us, it’s incurable, and they’re in terrible suffering. And also because it’s funny.
It’s a mind virus
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Caring has nothing to do with your paycheck, caring is about basic human empathy. I wouldn’t be surprised when lower income would care more than higher.
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How can they have time to consume media that talk about Gaza?
That’s one way to control the crowds, make them too busy to think outside the rat race.
Yes, but I’m also a commie lol.
Socialist here: fuck tankies :D
I did. She’s my wife now.
I can agree with that.
fuck you then
back to Hasan’s Twitch stream now please.
Hasan is a tankie?
Literally always has been. Look at like half of what this dude does.
What does tankie mean to you?
Everyone to the left of the Democratic Party is a tankie.
Tankie Sanders lol
Sanders is a democrat, and thus represents the most left wing position that won’t (usually) get called tankie
For a paid agent you say some good things sometime, I guess a broken clock is right at least once a day
Yes yes, everyone you disagree with is secretly a paid agent.
Larping as a ‘socialist’, sing the internationale on the 1st of May while totally bootlicking US imperialism and (proxy) wars, supporting the genocide state and neoliberal policies/austerity measures at the expense of working class is OK.
That is every EU socialist/labour party.Actually going against that is not acceptable, then you are indeed called a radical tankie.
Now we’re at the point where they want to equate communism with fascism, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as BS excuse.
Blaming the soviets for causing WW2, etc. and more plain revisionism Shamelessly pushed by those shitty Balt states that still can’t cope that the Soviets beat their nazi grandfathers.Well said. Tankie is a term used by people who think The New Deal was peak socialism
Back to supporting fascists for you then
And a very fuck you, too, comrade. :)
You’re nobody’s comrade.
Nazi supporters should keep that word out of their filthy mouths.??? Support that accusation with any facts about me.
Fascist pig
projection, I feast on your tears
Lol, the only socialist view you’ve ever espoused is hating other leftists. Now go back to defending the police, both-sidesing genocide, and shrieking about communists like a redscare boomer.
Tankies are people who defend authoritarianism, so I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
“I don’t understand” is sufficient.
Run along now traitor dumbfuck.
You’re the traitor and a larper.
Just come out as a fascist you coward POS with your 3 day old trolling account.Your mom goes to college you Nazi fuck.
You spotted another paid troll to had to the list ?!
Small world on lemmy, but Brain is a troll. Just check them out. All their history is derailing conversations and demoralizing leftist movements.
Nah, tankies are people who defend uses of authority that liberals disagree with: you never see people being called tankies for defending the Nordic countries, even though they are undeniably authoritarian by any leftist definition.
Not nah. It has nothing to do with liberal nonsense. Criticizing worthless dumbfuck traitor tankies is something leftists do.
Thanks for that perfectly circular argument.
If you don’t understand the terms circular and argument, I could definitely see how you’d think that.
Reddit leftists maybe lmao
Some leftists and others fall back on the old stereotype of powerhungry Reds who pursue power for powers sake without regard for actual social goals. If true, one wonders why, in country after country, these Reds side with the poor and powerless often at great risk and sacrifice to themselves, rather than reaping the rewards that come with serving the well-placed.
For decades, many left-leaning writers and speakers in the United States have felt obliged to establish their credibility by indulging in anticommunist and anti-Soviet genuflection, seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some anti-Red sideswipe. The intent was, and still is, to distance themselves from the Marxist-Leninist Left.
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Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.
The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged ele¬ ments of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little dif¬ ference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.
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Sorely lacking within the U.S. Left is any rational evaluation of the Soviet Union, a nation that endured a protracted civil war and a multinational foreign invasion in the very first years of its existence, and that two decades later threw back and destroyed the Nazi beast at enormous cost to itself. In the three decades after the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets made industrial advances equal to what capitalism took a century to accomplish — while feeding and schooling their children rather than working them fourteen hours a day as capitalist industrialists did and still do in many parts of the world. And the Soviet Union, along with Bulgaria, the German Democratic Republic, and Cuba, provided vital assistance to national liberation movements in countries around the world, including Nelson Mandelas African National Congress in South Africa.
- Parenti “Blackshirts and Reds”
Only if theyre cute enough to put up with their bullshit.
Leftist infighting serves the capitalists
Yeah, but they’re not actually a leftist
There are no true scotsmen except me
For real. I genuinely like Israel and have many israeli friends still but the incompetence of Israel government is so staggering it’s imposdible to align with even if you think Hamas deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history.
Recent polls show 81% of the Israeli population agree that Palestine should be ethnically cleansed. It’s not just the government, and it’s not “incompetence”, it’s deliberate malice.
And Hamas’s crimes are a drop in the ocean compared to Israel, so if you think Hamas “deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history,” what do you think Israel deserves?
You explain it very well. However, I don’t think it’s necessarilly their opinion that Gaza deserves deleting.
Sure sounds like it
Well, it doesn’t to me. Without them telling us we won’t know.
What do you think ethnically cleansed means? Or du you think Gaza will remain once all the Palestinians have disappeared and settlers have taken their place?
Ok
They’re both terrorists, why try to defend hamas? A bad situation doesn’t excuse massacre. Both are guilty.
One’s guilty of genocide, one’s arguably guilty of going overboard in self-defense of said genocide, though I don’t know how much of it is hasbara and how much of it real so I don’t really feel like I’m in a position to judge if they actually went overboard and you can thank the Apartheid Regime of West Palestine for that.
You genuinely like an apartheid regime?
i didn’t read it like that… i read it in the same way that you might read that you like many american people, but their government are frequently massive twats… the country is not the people, and in both cases there was (is) genocide involved
Israel, the country, has apartheid enshrined in its constitution. And there never was a genocide of zionists. Indeed the zionists used the holocaust and other european antisemitic persecutions to their advantage
Despite that it’s the only country in the middle east where you’ll not be tortured and murdered for being gay so umm there’s clearly something to like here, no?
Israel has tortured and murdered more gay people than ever other country in the middle east put together.
You’ll get tortured and murdered for being palestinian, so no I dont think so. Pinkwashing apartheid just makes it more disgusting, not less.
Or you know more than one thing can be bad right?
The way people wash islam’s intolerance is honestly reaching satire levels.
Ah yes you’re protecting gays by bombing them lmao
You realise that Islam is not a monolith but one of the worlds largest religions? That there are LGBTQ+ muslims? Muslim allies? Honestly this idea that there is a “one true Islam” is as ridiculous for Islam as it is for any other religion.
there are gay nazis and gay republicans as well what’s your point?
Lmao this is the satire I’m talking about. No way these are real people leaving these comments.
There are literally thousands of people killed every year and they be like “BUT BUT THERE ARE GAY MUSLIMS SOMEWHERE”
Crazy. Simply crazy.
