According to a recent pen state uni poll, 80% of Israeli society support the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza. If we follow the reasoning in this post, the Israeli society is kinda locco ◑﹏◐
Either that, or the psychological abuse techniques that militaries do to turn normal people into obedient soldiers are effective. Israel has compulsory military service, so nearly all of the population of the country went through it. That’s how they get that 80% support.
One thing I’ve noticed is that many people will accuse you of supporting genocide if you say anything positive about Israel (and by that I mean anything not explicitly negative), or fail to condemn anybody who has failed to condemn Israel, or if you don’t spit immediately after saying the word “Israel”. Same if you point out that the Biden administration in November was actively negotiating the ceasefire that went into effect a day or two after Trump’s inauguration, even as people were calling Harris a nazi and refusing to vote for her because she was “complicit”. It’s like people expect world politics and diplomacy to operate at the same speed as meme outrage.
NGL… Yuh
I agree with all this but I feel like Americans are the last people who should lead such a movement. To so many of us, the ones your country has raped and destroyed without apology, i roll my eyes at Americans calling for the end of colonization, genocides and war. It’s like you guys think if you go hard on this war, it will forgive all the centuries of genocide. My people were treated like refuse by Americans for decades, then without apology or reparations , white American kids are now preaching at my indigenous ass about privilege and genocide.
You can’t even call out the hypocrisy or you get hated on. I’ve never experienced as much hate and racism towards my culture from the left, as I have this past 2 years. You expect that shit from the right, but the American left went insane this cycle too
The people that treated your people like refuse are not the same people as the ones protesting against atrocities.
Lumping a whole population together and stereotyping them is wrong, no matter who you’re targeting with your stereotypes.
I only know her from claiming there will be no Russian invasion while it already had begun. Later, she is peddling Russian propaganda. Moron.
Thanks for letting me know. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
This tarot reader is phony AF. Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. Don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”.
What antisemitism is being implied?
This astrology grifter is phony AF.
Ad hominem. Doesn’t invalidate the words above.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism.
I noticed no implied anti-semitism. I noticed explicit criticism of the Israeli government.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”.
True. Promote it to highlight the genocide that is currently occurring.
Free Palestine.
Agreed, but I suspect yours isn’t genuine.
“She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.”
Is it an ad hominem when you include the rest which explains the claim made you excerpted?
Thanks for the headsup. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
how do I boost on lemmy
by this logic Allies committed genocide against Germans in ww2
The allies didn’t try to completely wipe out the population of Germany to replace them with their own colonists.
What’s your point with this? That the allies were right to bomb civilians? That we can have a little genocide, as a treat?
collateral damage bad, but Germans using civilians as human shield also bad, so blame should be on germans not allies
this video from 2018 watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF7KCOm6eY
Shut up, killing innocent civilians is a war crime. It doesn’t matter what your justification is, killing civilians is wrong and if you don’t feel bad about it you are broken inside.
no one is saying it is right smart ass, i am just saying you should accuse the entity that militarizes civillian areas
As I know we have no other information source about hamas using civilian infrastructure like hospitals as military bases than the IDF. That’s because no external journalists are allowed in gaza by the IDF. And in the beginning exactly this IDF also claimed they don’t target hospitals and it was a hamas rocket that hit the biggest hospital of gaza. Now there is not a single hospital left. So maybe we shouldn’t believe this kind of information. Also there are other methods than bombing the whole area if the enemy is really using civilian infrastructure as military bases. So it’s still on the attacker if civilians die. Especially if the attacker has massive military capacities and options for other methods like in the case of the IDF.
It doesn’t matter what your justification is, killing civilians is wrong
Do you know how to read?
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOUR JUSTIFICATION IS
What to do then in a situation where civilians are killing other civilians?
Its wrong for anyone to kill civilians, what are you talking about?
ok but who is to blame for their deaths? the allies or axis ?
The people that drop bombs on civilians are responsible for killing civilians.
The people who starve a population are responsible for starving a population.IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE JUSTIFICATION IS
I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.
I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.
Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong with you as a person.
What is the point of this completely off topic non-sequitor?
It’s the same template as the original post. Parallels are being drawn between support for Trump and support for Israeli genocide.
Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).
I mean… I’ve been saying similar stuff for a while. I’m not on anyone’s side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it’s not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don’t have one.
HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn’t matter where, or who, or when… If some group is killing another group, I don’t like that.
The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what’s happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia’s actions there. I don’t dislike Russia’s or Russians, I don’t have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.
Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people’s of what culture or religion… I just don’t like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed…
I don’t know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don’t care, just stop murdering eachother.
Note: It’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.
Calling it “the Ukraine” is Russian propaganda.
https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748
Nice work trying to make the genocide in Gaza be about Ukraine.
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Don’t bother with people stuck in earlier stages of development. All they hear are excuses and immorality
I would rather bother them very loudly.
Isn’t being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying “War is bad” has become so controversial and extremist.
This is only looking at the surface level…
It’s not that “war is bad” in this case. It’s that people fear that it’s a small jump from “the govt of Israel is bad for killing Gazans” to “Israel is bad” to “the idea of Israel is bad” to “Jews are bad”.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.
Have there been consequences for the United States’ or Canada’s genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.
People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.
EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while “acknowledging its troubled past” but you’re still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I’m not even saying it wouldn’t be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.
I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
This is why it is important to separate anti-semitism and anti-zionism.
A thing that Israel is actively working against
The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
I hope you’re right.
Ahhh are we just gonna ignore hamas’s butchery? I’m even more not a psychopath because I oppose that as well as Israel’s. y’all messed up for leaving that out.
Gonna state the obvious: Resistance to oppression is justified.
https://jacobin.com/2025/04/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-gaza-genocide
It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
One side is trying to destroy an apartheid state, the other is trying to destroy children. Stop equivocating the two
You are aware that if given the chance, Hamas would be the apartheid state
I am not, how come?
Yes, Hamas has done terrible things in the past, including the Oct 7 massacre, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s extreme response.
Both sides are absolutely committed to the total genocide of the other. The difference is that Hamas has no way of carrying out that genocide, so it’s only empty words at this point. OTOH, Israel is fully capable of committing total genocide against the Palestinians, and has finally decided that the time has arrived to do it.
It is impossible for me to SUPPORT one side or another, but it is imperative for me to always condemn genocide, by anyone, against anyone. There is NEVER a situation where genocide is justifiable.
This will eventually backfire against Israel in an extremely horrible way. Every Middle Eastern country wants a nuclear weapon, and a large part of our diplomatic efforts involve keeping nuclear weapons out of their hands. Eventually, someone will get one, and Israel’s enthusiastic genocide will be used as justification for their use.
You would have "both-sides"ed the Holocaust
Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
This is like saying “well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?” in 1939.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
Killing 1200 people is still bad
They didn’t kill 1200, and even if they had, that number is negligible compared to the amount of Palestinians Israel had already murdered before October 7th, and basically 0 compared to how many they’ve killed since.
You just only care about white people.
Jewish people are white now?
For anyone seeing this comment this nunber also a lie. Last proven around 700 or 800 killed ignoring how many killed by Israeli themselves shilling homes where hamas had israeli hostages and cars that trying to get into gaza with hostages.
That makes it ok I suppose. And I’m sure Gaza would have been leveled if hamas decided to kill zero too.
Let’s compare the numbers, so far a 1200 Israeli’s were murdered on the opening day, and maybe 100 more deaths from combat. Total deaths 1300-ish. In the Gaza strip alone over 62,000-ish people have been killed. Using Israel’s numbers from before the war they estimated maybe 50,000 active Hamas members. It’s orders of magnitude different. Even assuming Hamas died first that still means Israel murdered 12,000 innocent people. Hamas is bad, but the state of Israel is a genocidal monster.
There will always be collateral damage even though it’s very hard to justify and basically impossible to justify when there’s children involved. I will point out that the line between Hamas combatant and “civilian” can be very grey. Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing they had a mandate to destroy Israel. On the oct 7 attacks Hamas were joined by non combatants. Imagine your army marching down your street on their way to kill your neighbour so you put down what you’re doing to join them and kill your neighbour too. This is basically what happened
62,000 is the number of confirmed munitions deaths and it’s been frozen for months. The actual total killed has been estimated in the arena of half a million.
Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Don’t Israelies have that right too?
No, occupied people have that right, occupiers do not.
You can’t starve children to death in self defence.
Agree. There’s a lot they are doing that is awful. Both sides are doing awful things is my point
You would have said the same about the holocaust
One side is literally thousands of times more awful, let’s deal with that first
Yeah didn’t OP know that it’s illegal to mention Israel’s crimes without also mentioning Hamas in the same sentence?
It’s a paragraph, not a sentence
truly the important thing
Cool.
You’re just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German “civilians” to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
Didn’t hamas march into Israel and were joined by non combatants then butcher and kidnap 1200? Seems different
The place they marched into is where their parents and grandparents lived before Israel ethnically cleansed it, driving them into the ghetto they’re currently in.
Still non combatants. Are you saying the indigenous people of your country should be allowed to kill anyone who lives there now?
There’s a difference in time scale here; there’s still living people who remember the nakba. But indigenous people are absolutely justified in resisting their own oppression. Also the immediate purpose of getting hostages was to get Israel to release hostages it took first.
Which side is guilty of genocide? Which side are the invaders and settlers, and which side are the indigenous resistance?
Hamas aren’t fighting Jews in Europe or North America, they are resisting those who have stolen their lands and besieged them.
October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
The one that happened for one day, two years ago, and got followed by two years of carpet bolbing civilians?
Yeah i’m sure you’re bringing them up in good faith lmao
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
Follow the money
Also racism
It’s actually a little hard for me to understand why there’s money there. Are there really just that many rich Israelis? What money is there in genocide?
June 2023, Benjamin Mileikowsky later known as Netanyahu, went to the UN assembly, and showed a map for a new middle east. He draw a line of a gas pipe that cross from Qatar all the way to Gaza, leading to Europe.
Prior to that February 2023, Israel signed a deal with Lebanon and Hezbollah for maritime border and gas mining.
Prior to that, not sure when exactly, but there were an estimated billions worth of gas and oil off the shore of Gaza.
With Europe still dependent on Russian gas and oil, European countries are looking for alternative.
This is made Palestinian realized that they will be crushed. For Zionist to establish these massive supply chain, they need to address Palestinian. Hamas decided to put Israel and the world in confrontation of its own colonist project, this base on a statement by Sinwar. Otherwise, it will be a slow death without much backlash.
This is in regards of current event and how many play into it.
There are also the other side. The US economy completely dependent on Military. Zionist knew this very earlier, all they have to do is to angle themselves in a situation where they control the US government to benefit the most.
Before that Zionist ideology “a Jew State” which ironically similar to “Islamic State” aka “ISIS” as a concept started earlier than WWI.
this ideology is supported by two group: Jew Zionist such and Christian Zionist.
You can look into how Zionist started, and how one of the richest family in the world influenced the initial promise by UK for European Jew to take over Palestine here more about it:
Edmond James de Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_James_de_Rothschild
You can get lost in this because it will answer question, how they control media, US government, and most Tech companies. Mix that with religious view for multiple groups and you will end up with the most pure and supported genocidal project in modern times.
P.S: there are also part of association with Nazi Germany, and conspiracy theories about where the Nazi gold went, control of banks in NewYork, and even facts regarding Maxwell a double UK and Mosad agent and the father of Epstein assistance running a blackmail ring in the US. Along with fact regarding how every hotel / room in Israel is most likely have spy camera ( they also tried to put spy camera in the washroom after visiting the UK PM a while back) and you end up with fuck tons of power over influencer people.
