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Like Ging did to Wdwune in HxH
Yubaba vibes
Ron Swanson vibes
I guess the people downvoting you didn’t feel these situations were comparable
The cool thing about being on an instance with downvotes disabled is I never have to worry about this sort of petty random downvoting stuff because I never see downvotes.
I always recommend this to people. It literally fixes lemmy. People are really quick to downvote here and it’s a serious negative aura even if you have thick skin
Cult 101
Pretty much this. Cults isolate you as their first step. Anything that can be used to make you feel beholden to them, or “fresh/new”. They make you think your parents are the enemy, and convince you that your real “family” is inside the cult.
Had a friend in college who wiped out repeatedly - stumbling down stairs, walking into trees while talking, stepping on his own feet - all through freshman year.
Everyone started calling him “Trip”.
Which, I guess, implied he’d joined a Cult?
LOGICAL FALLACY - AFFIRMING THE CONSEQUENT.
If X, then Y does not imply if Y, then X.
LOGICAL FALLACY
Calling someone a pet name is not a matter of logic.
Of course not. It is your interpretation that having a nickname implies cult membership that is the logical fallacy.
The argument is:
- If CULT, then NICKNAME
- i.e. If X, then Y
Your interpretation seems to be:
- If NICKNAME, then CULT
- i.e. If Y, then X
Which is the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent.
It is your interpretation that having a nickname implies cult membership
That’s OP’s claim. My interpretation is that he gave Simon the nickname out of affection not domination
That’s OP’s claim.
No it’s not.
OP’s claim is that cults give nicknames. Not that all entities that give nicknames are cults.
But your second statement makes me realize that you likely have an inherent bias that is preventing you from seeing the logic involved.
One guy gets a nickname? No problem. You have a guy claiming to be a holy man assigning people names? Then you got a cult
I don’t actually believe Jesus ever claimed to be holy or did half the shit he is claimed to have done. I think he was an activist and kind person and the story got twisted over time.
Only the true messiah would deny being the messiah.
He was a doomsday prophet.
He claimed God was about to show up and judge everyone for their sins and then start a new world order. But then he got killed by the state and one or two of his followers had hallucinations of him a few days later (more common than you think). They essentially then rationalized WTF him coming back from the dead meant, and that morphed into Jesus being God. The first few decades after his death was a whirlwind of arguing about the “true” nature of Jesus and standardization within the baby church. Over the next few centuries there were more arguments that were less fundamental than turning Jesus into a God, though being a religion, the arguments were insane and fierce. Cue to today and we have a bunch of sub-versions of Christianity and even a whole spin-off religion.
Several thousand over different days and locations, not “one or two”. If it were one or two then this thing would never have taken off. People back then weren’t as dumb as we like to believe.
You have a guy claiming to be a holy man assigning people names?
“Simon, you’re the most reliable person I know. You’re my rock. I’m going to refer to you as My Rock, because you are my most loyal and stalwart friend.”
Huge red flag. Avoid this person at all costs. You are in a
profoundly deep, possibly romantic relationshipCult.Is the guy naming him also claiming to be the messiah? That seems to be the part of the quotation you’re missing out on
I’m not abjectly religious but I don’t believe Jesus ever called himself the Messiah.
No, but this is pretty culty… Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Is the guy naming him also claiming to be the messiah?
All while performing bonafide miracles, sure. The pet name for a loved one isn’t the problem.
If, two thousand years from now, the High Priestess of the Church of Getting Your Vaccines So You Don’t Spread Illness was referred to as “Saint Cuddlebug” I’d consider that kinda sweet, not cultish.
Even in the Bible they people with deadnames.
Paul’s is the funniest because he only got one letter changed from “Saul,” even though he had used to be the biggest menace.
Saul (Sha’ul) is a Jewish/Hebrew name. Paulos is a Greek name. Even until now, bilingual people who are of a minority culture (compared to where they’re living) often have two names, one in their their native (family) language and one in the local majority language, one official, the other unofficial.
This was not limited to Paul, even in that immediate timeline. Levi (Jewish name) was also called Levi (Greek name). There’s no reason to believe Paul “changed” his name sheet his conversion. He continued to go by Saul after he became a Christian. He went by his Jewish name among Jewish people, then his Greek name when he travelled across Rome and interacted with Greek-speakers.
A Christian hunter? Before Christianity existed? What?
I always thought the timeline was really confusing. That was the narrative we were taught in church. He persecuted early followers.
“According to the Acts, Paul lived as a Pharisee and participated in the persecution of early disciples of Jesus, possibly Hellenised diaspora Jews converted to Christianity,[12] in the area of Jerusalem, before his conversion.[note 1]”
I think you’re getting your timeline mixed up. Paul converted to Christianity some time after Jesus died and quickly became a leader in the early church due to his prolific letter writing, with letters on all aspects of Christian life. Many of these letters (and a few that modern scholars believe are from people pretending to be Paul) ended up getting included into the New Testament as scripture because they were so popular and influential on early Christianity. However, these did not invent Christianity. All of these letters are to Christian communities that already existed in Paul’s own time, and a few of them mention how he used to persecute Christians because he was a hardcore Jew and thought they were corrupting Judaism.
All of the apostles saw Jesus. That’s what makes them apostles. I think your timeline is off. Paul was there after the crucifixion and witnessed the ascension. He was also a disciple, which means he followed Jesus when he was alive. (Judas is the only disciple who’s not an apostle)
“Jesus called him “Saul, Saul”[38] in “the Hebrew tongue” in the Acts of the Apostles, when he had the vision which led to his conversion on the road to Damascus.[39]”
They met on a road.
After Jesus died, he traveled to Rome to spread the word, where he was beheaded. I believe that’s also where Peter died by inverted crucifixion.
At least that’s the biblical canon.
This is a level of stupidity and confident wrongness that I haven’t seen in some time. I would say this is a ChatGPT disaster but even ChatGPT isn’t this stupid. The incident on the road to Damascus was a description of a vision after Jesus’s death. Neither Acts, nor any of the gospels mention Paul in the ascension story, and none of Paul’s letters mention him knowing Jesus during his earthly life, witnessing the crucifixion, or the ascension.
Read Acts and tell me where Paul is before Chapter 8.
https://www.bible.com/bible/2016/ACT.1.NRSV
What about a search in the Bible for “Saul?” Hmmm nothing in Acts or the Gospels before Acts 9? Fascinating.
What about a search for “Paul?”
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=paul&resultspp=250&version=NRSVUE
Nah, for real. He was also king of the jews. He was also called Al.
I mean, ultimately you’re both basically arguing over Star Wars about whether Han shot first or second. Its several non-fictional people tied together with a fictional story to push an agenda of control.
I know, it’s like they don’t know the lore?
I my experience, Christians don’t know their own Bible and rarely, if ever, crack it open without someone telling them to, usually during a service.
No, it’s more like arguing whether Han Solo was in the prequels or not. Easily verifiable to anyone who isn’t mentally challenged
You do realize the historicity of Paul is pretty robust and the common consensus amongst historians is Jesus was also a real person. Him being a real person doesn’t mean he was a Messiah or had magical powers. But just deciding that anyone who was involved with the foundation of a religion didn’t exist means you are founding your views on feelings instead of actual information.
As I said, non-fictional people tied together with a fictional story.
Deciding that I said one thing, when simply looking up and seeing I didn’t say it means you are founding your reply on feelings instead of actual information.
That is not what they are saying. It is perfectly valid to say that there are zero contemporary primary sources to confirm the existence of Jesus. Historians have come to the consensus that he most likely existed, on account of the influence stemming from later sources, but they all also know there are no contemporary sources, so that consensus is based on circumstantial evidence.
The historicity of Paul is not robust, it is definitely better sourced than Jesus, but that historicity stems from himself, and as we cannot take his supernatural religous experiences for fact (he can very well have believed them as fact, but we know that they cannot have happened in objective reality like that), he is not exactly the most reliable witness in the first place.
Very common cult tactic to this day
Learn from the best.
Also a friend tactic. It’s just a nickname
We have a Posh Mike at work.
I don’t even think he’s called Mike.
I have friends of witch I could not tell you their legal name at Gunpoint
friends of witch
is this witch… you?
I actually sometimes do that to people too :P
Also every Hollywood agent with Jewish clients from 1900 until present day.
It worked on Muhammad Ali too
you tend to do that when you and your buddies are up to street crime
What’s the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent meal of loaves and fishes?
taking multiple roman soldiers’ equipment a mile down the road, destruction of money lender property, theft of grain
Not to mention destroying the local bread, fish, and wine economy.
The destruction of the money lenders property and the theft of grain were justified imo
as well as fucking with roman military logistics. i support all three of the things i listed
Jesus has so many things in common with Trump. It’s crazy.
Two thousand years from now, people will be reading the gospel of Little Marco Rubio, Lyin Ted Cruz, and RINO Lindsey Graham. Maybe they’ll just be known as “Little”, “Lyin”, and “Rino”. And everything Trump has done will be said to be a miracle.
in the story of Jesus 47’s parallel is Caesar
So not in it at all and mentioned maybe 2-3 times as a historical figure?
A: “Good job Tex.”
B: “My name is Sam sir, I’m from Wisconsin.”
A: “Nah, you’re Tex now.”
(This is my vague memory of a gag in an Atomic Robo comic)
