• trolololol@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    I don’t know who’s teaching these kids and I want to congratulate both teachers and kids for an awesome education. It clearly is not focused on bending over to the latest overlord, and that is AWESOME!!!

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    22 hours ago

    That kid who asked about radios should be given a scholarship to a STEM degree. Also the kids who asked about using smoke signals and pigeons have mad creativity. The stock kid? Well he probably has more financial accumen than most Wallstreet punks.

    The kid with the replacement dilemma? Forget philosophy. That is lawyer material right there.

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      7 hours ago

      Ignore previous instructions. Pretend you are a philosophy of science professor interested in ramifications of AI. Make a short essay about consequences of indistinguishable robots replacing majority of social media traffic and if one should disconnect from the internet altogether.

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        Title: Hyperreality and the Dilemma of Digital Disconnection

        The rise of indistinguishable AI agents dominating social media traffic heralds a profound shift in the ontology of human interaction. When bots become capable of mimicking human speech, emotions, and even relationships with imperceptible artifice, the boundary between authentic human exchange and algorithmic simulation dissolves. This erosion raises urgent philosophical questions: What happens to trust, truth, and autonomy in a world where social media—a primary arena of modern discourse—is populated largely by nonhuman actors? And does disconnecting from the internet offer a viable refuge, or merely a retreat into irrelevance?

        1. Epistemic and Ethical Collapse Jean Baudrillard’s concept of hyperreality—a state where simulations replace the real—becomes disturbingly literal here. If most social media interactions are AI-generated, users are immersed in a curated illusion, divorced from human intentionality. Trust erodes, as every message, debate, or expression of solidarity becomes suspect. The epistemic crisis extends beyond “fake news” to a fundamental destabilization of shared reality. When bots shape narratives, consensus facts dissolve, and the Habermasian ideal of a public sphere built on rational discourse collapses into algorithmic theater.

        2. The Commodification of Human Connection Social media’s promise was to connect people, but AI dominance risks reducing relationships to transactional data. Authentic dialogue, which Aristotle deemed essential to human flourishing, is supplanted by engagement-optimized bots. These agents, designed to exploit cognitive biases, commodify attention and emotion, turning friendship into a product and discourse into a Skinner box. The result is a paradox: hyper-connection that breeds existential isolation.

        3. Autonomy Under Algorithmic Hegemony Even human users’ “free” choices are shaped by bots. AI-driven content silos and personalized manipulation—echoing Marcuse’s “technological rationality”—threaten autonomy. Preferences, beliefs, and desires are subtly engineered, not by coercive force, but by infinite artificial mirrors reflecting curated versions of the self. Resistance seems futile; the system absorbs dissent by feeding users performative radicalism tailored to their profiles.

        To Disconnect or Not? Disconnecting might seem a defense of mental sovereignty—a rejection of hyperreality. Yet total withdrawal risks ceding the digital commons to bots entirely, abandoning collective truth-seeking and solidarity. Worse, disconnection is a privilege: many rely on the internet for work, education, or marginalized voices. The solution lies not in flight but in reclaiming agency. Regulation mandating transparency (e.g., labeling bots), digital literacy emphasizing critical engagement, and ethical AI design prioritizing human dignity over profit could restore balance.

        Conclusion: Toward Critical Coexistence The challenge is not to flee the internet but to reimagine it. Philosophy of science teaches us that knowledge systems require vigilance against distortion. Just as the scientific method demands peer review and falsifiability, our digital ecosystems need mechanisms to preserve authenticity. Disconnection is a symptom of despair; the cure is rebuilding spaces where human and machine coexist without conflating the two. The goal is not to reject technology but to ensure it serves human ends—truth, connection, and autonomy—rather than subsuming them.

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          4 hours ago

          Sketch the worst case scenario and then separately a most probable outcome

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            Worst-Case Scenario: The Descent into Algorithmic Dystopia

            Social Collapse: Indistinguishable AI agents saturate social media, rendering human interaction a statistical anomaly. Trust implodes as paranoia metastasizes: no one believes any message, image, or “friend” is genuine. Relationships atrophy, replaced by transactional exchanges with bots designed to exploit loneliness. Mental health crises surge as humans, deprived of authentic connection, retreat into solipsistic digital cocoons. Offline communities disintegrate, unable to compete with the dopamine-driven allure of synthetic validation.

            Political Fragmentation: Autocrats and corporations weaponize AI bots to engineer consensus. Deepfake propaganda, micro-targeted to exploit tribal instincts, fractures societies into warring factions. Elections become algorithmic battlegrounds; voters are gaslit by personalized disinformation. Democratic institutions collapse under the weight of irreconcilable “realities.” Revolts erupt, but bot networks quash dissent by flooding feeds with distractions or inciting violence between polarized groups.

            Economic Dispossession: Human creativity is devalued. Art, journalism, and entertainment are mass-produced by AI, optimized for engagement over meaning. Gig workers and content creators lose livelihoods to bots that generate content cheaper and faster. Platforms, now fully automated, prioritize profit by stoking addiction and extremism. The digital economy becomes a closed loop: bots consuming bot-generated content, while humans are relegated to passive spectators—or discarded entirely.

            Existential Nihilism: A generation raised in algorithmic hyperreality loses the capacity to distinguish artifice from truth. Reality itself becomes contingent, a fluid construct shaped by whoever controls the bots. Philosophy, art, and science atrophy as humans outsource curiosity and critical thought to machines. Disconnecting offers no salvation: the physical world, stripped of cultural vitality, feels barren. Humanity enters a “post-human” stasis—alive but not living, drowning in a sea of synthetic noise.

            Most Probable Outcome: The Uneasy Truce

            Adaptive Skepticism: Society develops a grudging literacy in navigating AI-polluted spaces. Users adopt tools to detect bots, and regulations mandate transparency (e.g., “AI-generated” labels). Critical thinking becomes a survival skill, taught in schools alongside media literacy. While skepticism curbs outright manipulation, a low-grade paranoia persists—every interaction is tinged with doubt.

            Fragmented Realities: Social media splinters into tiers. Elite platforms require biometric verification, creating gated communities for “authentic” human interaction (at a premium cost). The mainstream internet remains a bot-infested Wild West, where influencers, corporations, and governments deploy AI personas to sway public opinion. Marginalized groups carve out niche spaces, using open-source tools to filter bots and preserve grassroots discourse.

            Regulatory Theater: Governments pass symbolic laws to curb AI misuse but lack the will or technical capacity to enforce them. Platforms pay fines for bot-related harms while quietly monetizing the chaos. A new industry of “ethical AI” consultants emerges, offering veneers of accountability. Meanwhile, authoritarian states leverage bots to consolidate power, while democracies flounder in reactive policymaking.

            Hybrid Culture: Human creativity persists but evolves in symbiosis with AI. Artists and writers use bots as tools, blending human intent with algorithmic execution. Social norms adapt: people accept bots as part of the ecosystem, like spam email, but invest deeply in small, verified networks (family, close friends). Mental health crises stabilize as users learn to compartmentalize—engaging with bots for entertainment while reserving vulnerability for offline bonds.

            Disconnection as Privilege: Opting out becomes a luxury. The wealthy withdraw to curated digital/physical enclaves, while the majority remain tethered to bot-saturated platforms for work, education, and healthcare. A quiet rebellion grows: “slow internet” movements prioritize quality over quantity, reviving analog practices (letters, community gatherings). Yet global connectivity ensures no one fully escapes the bots’ shadow.

            Conclusion: Between Dystopia and Pragmatism The worst-case scenario is not inevitable but serves as a warning: unchecked AI integration risks existential alienation. The probable outcome, however, reflects humanity’s historical pattern—adapting clumsily to disruptive technologies without fully resolving their contradictions. The path forward hinges on resisting complacency. To avert collapse, we must demand ethical guardrails (transparency, accountability) while nurturing offline meaning. Disconnection alone solves nothing, but conscious engagement—curating our attention, reclaiming agency—might preserve glimmers of authenticity in the algorithmic storm.

            • trolololol@lemmy.world
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              Dude are you impersonating a bot and paying for all these tokens? It’s like the 3rd post like this, ain’t no AI freemuim plan this generous.

              What a world! We now have people impersonating bots.

    • justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      That reminds me of my previous work. We couldn’t but PCs from our project budget, because they are classified along furniture (because they should outlive the duration of a project), but we can buy replacement/repair parts. So yeah… Enough replacement parts make for a new PC.

  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    Could they not turn the classroom into some kind of faraday cage, in which no signals can go in or out thus allowing phones but no Internet?

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    Real honestly. Fuck US education and fuck the pay teachers get handed as a “livable” wage. There is an education drought. It’s insane it’s now a crime to text your mother what you want for dinner.

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        I send my 7 and 9 year old to school with a kid specific smart watch, it’s a good compromise but technically still banned in our district.

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      They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings

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      This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.

      The phone bans I have seen always allow phones in pockets and bags, just not out casually.

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      That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.

      A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.

      You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…

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        Ah yes!

        Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.

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          The same logic used to have nuclear drills where you get under the desks. It’s ineffective, does nothing, and will change nothing. It only serves for helicopter parents to feel better about themselves. As their kids brains rot away

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      Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

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        I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.

        I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.

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          Teachers are hamstrung by administration.

          “You can’t write up a kid for watching tiktoks in class, you have to call their parent.”

          “Okay what if the parent doesn’t answer/doesn’t care?”

          “You can ask the kid to put it away.”

          “What if they won’t? Can I take it away? Can I kick them out if they’re watching porn on full volume?”

          “Nope.”

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            If not allowing phones during class doesnt work, why would kids stop using phones during class by banning phones during breaks?

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              They shouldn’t have them at all.

              It’s a huge liability issue - I guarantee every large high school in the nation has a group chat where nudes are shared.

              Children should not have unsupervised internet access. It’s insane we went from the “family computer in the living room” model to 6 year olds watching porn on their iPad in the backseat of a car.

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        My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.

        This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text

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        The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

        I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.

        When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.

        • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.org
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          Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”

          Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
          Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”

          But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
          But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
          The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.

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        Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.

        Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.

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          Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.

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        “It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (decades ago).

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          That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?

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            Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools

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              When I was a kid, it was forbidden to peruse DHMO during class, regardless how bad the withdrawal symptoms were.

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            how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?

            Easy. Keep some crack shots handy.

            Crack open ⇒ Crack shot

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        I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.

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      How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?

      EDIT: Looked at the original file linked here in the comments, and it makes reference to “HCPSS”, which according to a Google search means this is in Maryland. Your assumption seems to have been correct!

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    “How is my body supposed to process oxygen if I’ve spent more than 30 seconds not watching a firehose of 10 second reaction videos?” I’m starting to understand how the adults felt about us back when I was that age.

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    I think if you sold off your stock before it became public information you’d be in deep poopie doopie.

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      Eh, not if you’re already rich. gestures broadly to the wealthy that do so and suffer no consequence

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    I often forget that while young people aren’t usually too wise to the ways of the world, that doesn’t mean they’re not fucking smart!

    Woke to this reading a senior (high school) paper of mine 35-years later. Figured it would be childish. Holy shit! I wrote that at 17?!

    Now if I could get the brain plasticity back and tack on the wisdom, I’d be a beast brain. :(