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As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
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That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There’s something about women in general that makes society eager dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous whenever they have opinions.
So you’ve never met a TERF in real life?
I think the term mostly refers to bigots. Most “TERFs” aren’t even radfems, they just use “protecting women” as an excuse for their bigotry.
That something is patriarchy.
There are some women like that in real life actually
Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
Not sure where you’re from, but in germany and austria, christians are definitely doing good. Churches here have a lot of support networks for everyone, especially elderly and people in need. In germany, we also have the “diakonie”, a service of the … protestant church? (idk how to translate that properly into english, the opposites of catholics here lmao), which is a major part of elderly care. And in many villages or smaller cities, the churches are open during the night for the homeless to take shelter, if they want to.
While I’m really not a big fan of religions in general, I feel like it’s unfair to claim that christians don’t do anything for society at large. At least from my european perspective.
Born in South Africa. Grand Father was a Pastor. He put sandwiches on top of the rubbish bins so homeless wouldnt have to search bins for food. (Went back there as an adult. So many things to say there)
Early teens in UAE. Had Muslim neighbours. Nicest family Ive met. Didnt push thier beliefs on anyone.
Australia. Mid teens to adult+. Got diss-illusioned with the church. Pastor made jokes about rhe old building. Had a notebook to take notes on what he said each week. Realised he duplicated some sermons.
I am fully open to believe it was my late teens - ealry adulthood that opened my eyes to the real world, or irs the churches fault for not sheltering me enough to convinee me that christianty is the way forward.
I already said the pastor had neighbours sleeping in the yard, but at the same time, they were trying to convice us teens to go overseas ro recruit new christians there. If you can afford plane tickets over seas, you can afford a blanket and some hot food for people in your home town.
Again, theres over 7 billion people on this planet. Maybe im just unlucky, got the short straw, and saw the worst of christianity, but im probably not going back.
Edit/Update Theres nothing wrong with believing in something. There is something wrong with forcing others to believe in what you believe.
My mom is a devout christian, but was forced to divorce my abusive dad. Am I going to tell her she is wrong? No, jesus is what is keeping her sane. My dad believes that he is the man of the house, but now he thinks the can punch his way to victory. Forcing others to believe what he believes is a no-no.
My aunt in South Africa is living in 1/4 of a house. (Bought for cheep ro renovate with husband. Husband died. Now she is 50+y/o, living in a bedroom, baththoom, and kitchen, while the living room, dining room, and 3 bedrooms are pretty much non-exsistent, with only her faith to keep her going? Im not going to tell her that she made a mistake.
Faith/belief can make ordinary humans do incredible things.
But forcing it onto others is where I get uncomfortable.
The downvotes for this are wild lmao
Judging by the replies, they’re forgetting which sub this is
I’m not sure I’d use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that’s the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
For the asshole, I would have gone with Dawkins
This is lemmy. All these people are like 14. They have no idea who Dawkins is.
Lol, and here I was imagining the average lemming as a mid 30s-40s dude with a linux thinkpad and a preference for femboys with long socks.
Before the reddit exodus, that was probably true. Now it is very obviously full of people with edgy takes and no life experience.
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You can see it in the various ‘asklemmy’ communities. When I was left wondering if we were being brigaded by folks from nostupidquestions or having a bot trying to drive engagement with simpleminded stuff, I knew the original lemmy feeling was about to be gone.
It makes me a little grumpy that I have to experience the eternal september.
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See “southern hospitality” clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That’s Bill Nye. I’ve met him and he’s not like, super mean but he’s got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
No, it’s saying Nye is a good person. He’s an atheist and not an asshole.
But you do touch on something because it would be a challenge to find someone known for being atheist while also being a decent human being. IDK, maybe Daniel Dennitt?
I see. Perhaps I misunderstood the format.
hi. proud asshole here. destroy all abrahamic religions for the sake of humanity.
Nothing has done more harm than religion.
Pollution and by extension capitalism. Why only harm select groups of people, when you can harm the entire future of all people.
Patriarchy! It’s the father of both capitalism and totalitarian religion.
That’s right, extremism breeds assholes.
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
Nah organized religon is actually evil
American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that’s certainly a choice
Yeah and “we can do it,” until the men come back home and take the jobs back.
Reminds me a of a joke "Why do people in North Dakota spend so much time at the bar?
Because Colonel Custer told them to hang out there until he got back."
Equality achieved in mid 90s. (adjusting for voluntary life choices of parenting full time) Much more men than women dropped out of labour force since.
Well, technically, it was never equal numbers and the gap between has remained the same, but you could argue that maternity and also elderly gender disparity contribute to that, yeah.
How many men died over there though. Those jobs became vacant
To explain your downvotes.
Women were encouraged to join the work force on top of all of the parenting/wifely duties they were saddled with for generations. This was a lot of work, but it also provided a glimpse into financial independence and equal placement in the workplace for the first time.
But when the war was over, women were encouraged to jump right back into the kitchen.
should men returning from war not be entitled to their job back
There are many jobs that need to be done to make society work. There are plenty of jobs at home that they could have taken.
I feel as if that’s kind of fair given that the men were the ones who had to die without any choice in the matter, no?
Also I didn’t know I was downvoted as I have that turned off lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Problems
Except a lot of men who fought over there were rewarded with returning back to the bottom rung of the socioeconomic ladder.
Status quo was maintained. Women and people of color were promised opportunity and reward for helping with the war effort, but largely didn’t get it.
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own “camps”
Need an asshole, hyrulian fortune teller…
Assholes of our worser nature?
Proud asshole here
Represent those you want to support with the best examples and those you want to oppose with the worst examples. Ignore that every group is made of people and people come in many distinct, unique varieties because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
