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    22 days ago

    I purchased a gun before Trump took office and have been practicing at the range, as well as encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Arm yourself and prepare, this only ends one way.

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      Unless your practicing in a group and developing tactics, you’re right it does only end one way.

      I don’t know how many armed people are coming, but if you’re alone I do know how it ends…

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      I too am a recent gun owner. I agree that preparation is necessary, but I disagree that it only ends one way. I will advocate for peaceful means of resistance until they are no longer possible. Have hope in the face of our enemies!

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        The enemy is fascism, and fascists are only dealt with one way. Protesting does nothing against Nazis, especially peaceful protests, it just gives them easy targets. We tried protest, negotiation, appeasement, and more when it came to Hitler and his Nazis, and only One Thing worked to get rid of them. Prepare, organize, and fight back against the fascists.

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    So does Pokémon canonical have Jesus being nailed on the cross? Maybe it was Mew the only son of Arcaues? Would make Mewtwo the Antichrist?

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        I remember there was an episode where someone pulls out an actual gun, meaning Pal World is probably more canon than people realize.

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          Multiple episodes had guns. There’s the banned Dratini episode of course, but James is literally robbing a store with an MP 40 in Squirtle Squad.

          After the Porygon episode, right at the time Ash meets Blaine, TR only seems to carry generic bad-guy bazookas. Pokemon figured out what their identity was gonna be REAL fast.

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    I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again … a large portion of the current democratic party is rich. The DNC serves corporations not the people. They are controlled opposition. They will keep the status quo as long as they get to continue living their cushy lifestyle. The whole system is corrupt and that includes the DNC, they won’t be saving us.

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      I’ve noticed the financially conservative bias of a certain minority of the Democrats, which I think you could term “corruption”. I’d say even a lot of them would prefer Americans at least be able to get by on a living wage; hence why blue states have a higher minimum.

      I could be missing information you’ve found past me, but what statistics have helped you conclude a “large portion” of them are rich / serving corporations?

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        Why do you think Democrats helped to pass Trump’s budget?

        The "statistics"are the number of Democratic millionaires serving in Congress and the amount of money corporate donors spend to get them elected.

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          About ten Democrats participated in that. I have their names written down close to my workstation and do not plan to support them. But that’s still a minority of the party, as I expressed in my post.

          It’s also very possible some of those senators had less concern for the financial sector or market crash, and more concern for the possibility of shutting down the courts amid so many illegal executive orders. It’s not a great excuse, but it’s also not a self serving one.

          As for millionaires: Due to inflation, the metric has shifted a bit. Some people that I directly know, that are smart and empathetic people that do what they can to help the community, are millionaires in terms of net worth. Simply owning a home in my state often puts someone in that scope. Cory Booker is est. worth $15M.

          Call it a cop-out but that’s why the targeting is now on billionaires. Many millionaires know that they have more money than their basic needs, and want to make that path to success possible for others. The same likely cannot be said for very many billionaires.

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        Yeah you’re just missing on the part where nothing is ever fucking good enough for anyone. And we don’t believe in incremental change. Everything should’ve been perfect when we were born and it’s really upsetting that it’s not perfect yet.

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      The entire point of a government is controlled opposition. That’s the fucking point. It’s not some grand revelation. Change from within the system takes a lot of time and constant effort, but it is better than the alternative which takes blood and massive suffering.

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        The problem is the system has been around for a long time and what we’ve seen is huge wealth transfer that has made the rich richer and is currently eroding the middle class.

        “As of 2023, the top 1% of households in the U.S. hold approximately 32% of the total wealth. In contrast, the bottom 90% of households collectively hold about 22% of the total wealth.”

        We’ve now reached the point of late stage capitalism/oligarchy and if the system doesn’t change the wealth disparity will continue to grow.

        There is already massive suffering. homelessness is spiraling out of control and a huge amount of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck barely surviving.

        So I’d argue the alternative is starting to look quite attractive.

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          The problem for the bottom 90% is the perception. If you present them with a group of people who are advertised as even less valuable like immigrants, gay, black, muslim, etc they will never perceive themselves as the bottom of the barrel disposable pieces of meat. There will always be someone who will be more worthless and less human, so they will have a false sence of value.

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          The wealth disparity hasn’t been this high since just before the Great Depression where 34% of disposable income went to the richest 5% (not an apples to apples comparison but the closest I could find).

          One of the major causes of the depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act which imposed high tariffs on imported goods. Oh hey, look at those shiny new tariffs from Trump.

          Another major factor was the Dust Bowl which was a widespread drought that dramatically impacted agriculture. Meanwhile 50% of the continental US has faced drought conditions since 2000.

          The Stock Market Crash of 1929 was in large part due to overproduction of goods with people not having enough money to buy them. Look at all the companies throwing stock in the trash. Food, clothes, essentials all wasted while there are people who go without.

          During the Depression, unemployment peaked at about 25%. (We are at 4.1% now.) Even during the height of COVID with factories and businesses shutting down, unemployment was only at 14.7%. That is the kind of suffering it takes for change and that is where our failures to learn from history are leading us.

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            You need to read between the lines on the 4.1% figure and how the fed actually comes to it. If you truly believe that’s an accurate representation of the economy and that 95.9% of people are happily employed in this era I have a bridge to sell you.

            The TRU figure covers a broader range in terms of employment. It accounts for people who are underemployed living on poverty wages as well as unemployed. The feds report only covers people who are unemployed period. There are actually quite a lot of homeless people who are working.

            "The February TRU — a measure of the functionally unemployed, defined as the jobless plus those seeking, but unable to find, full-time employment paying above poverty wages ($25,000 a year in 2024 dollars) after adjusting for inflation — rose from 23.3% to 24.6%. This increase reversed five months of progress for White workers, whose TRU climbed 1.6 percentage points (21.6% to 23.2%). Meanwhile, Hispanic workers saw a slight improvement, dropping from 28.4% to 28.1%, and Black workers experienced a more notable decline, dropping from 27.8% to 26%.

            The increase in the TRU is in sharp contrast to official unemployment data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), which reported only a 0.1 percentage point increase, to 4.1%. Even the BLS’ broader measure of unemployment, which accounts for underemployed part-time workers, rose by just 0.5 percentage points. While this explains part of the jump in the TRU, it does not capture a key factor: more full-time workers fell below the poverty wage threshold last month."

            Oh look, 24.6%, pretty close to the 25% you mentioned with the great depression.

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              Oh I absolutely agree that the 4.1% figure doesn’t represent actual economic conditions. Wide swaths of the country are underemployed and undercompensated.

              What it does capture is what portion of the country has a job, no matter how shitty, occupying their time. When people have nowhere to go and nothing to do during the day, THAT is when we see real protests. People will make it their job to yell at those in power to fix things when there is nothing else taking their time. We saw that during the Covid lockdowns.

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      both shides are the shaamies!?

      which side is trying to ban an entire religion? and trans folks? is it both shides now? No? gee wonder how you get your info.

      all you fucks care about is your investments while the minorities get suffocated. fuck the right fuck off

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        People: We appreciate the Democratic party for helping the minorities and lgbt to have a voice and civil liberties, but there is more to it than life. Can you help us alleviate from economic pressure of inflation, housing costs, medical bills and college debt?

        Democrats: Best I can do is identity politics.

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          “then fuck you democrats!” gets sent to el-salvador

          damn those identities, getting us deported and imprisoned and installing fascism. such similar political parties, amirite

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            Democrats: You will be happy with the breadcrumbs that we rich me and my oligarch boss give, or those people will deport you.

            Now that I think about it, Democrats are basically threatening people to vote for them or they will be deported. Not saying the quiet part out loud.

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              meanwhile the republicans “MY CAMPAIGN PROMISE IS TO BAN AN ENTIRE RELIGION! WOOOOO! FUCK POOR PEOPLE TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH! WOOOOO!”

              “gee whiz they are both the same!- morons”

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                Democrats: WE WILL NOT HELP THE PEOPLE LIVING PAY CHECK TO PAY CHECK! WE WOULD RATHER ENABLE FASCISTS GET INTO POWER THAN LOSE OUR CORPORATE DONATIONS! YOU WILL VOTE FOR US OR YOU WILL BE DEPORTED BY OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE!

                Well, ever since Chuck Schumer allowed much of the Republican budget bill to pass without resistance, I haven’t heard more people saying “vote blue no matter who”.

                Just saying.

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                  so. just to be sure, for us minorities. Be deported to el salvador or pay the same same exact money in taxes and prices as you would with your opposition?

                  do you see how dumb this sounds? Do you see why this is so ridiculous?

                  Hey! let me cut your balls off! the other guy will do it anyways (but also take the shaft and tip) does this make sense to you? GEE whiz I wonder which side I will choose they are both so similar

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        You see it is important to focus on the party not in power if we do not critically analyze their every failure publicly, then they might actually get support again. Do not offer solutions of todays problems, do not focus on todays problems. Focus on the failures of Democrats who failed to serve the needs of the far far left. How dare they not accomplish a utopian paradise? /s

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          i saw a party that wanted to ban half my family from the country, and people cheered. I know who to support and don’t need advice, sorry.

          there was no critical failures of democrats like that. “oh no they take corpo money” on the other hand my my family could be kidnapped to el salvador was not a choice it was a necessity. white people do not need to worry about that though apparently. /s

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            I got a buddy who’s first gen citizen from brazil, living in the south and voted red. Thinks he’s not going to be bothered by ICE. Was arrested by ice under obama do to a false idenification.

            These people are brainwashed and in a cult. They need help. Like they can’t even use their real life experiences to guide their decisions. Guess which president they got citizenship under…

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              yeah and its weird meeting muslims who vote for trump, i tell them are they voting to be banned and they just stare blank eyed at me and mumble something about the economy.

              its stunning

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                Hating gay people is a powerful unifying force. I did not expect the marriage of latinos, muslims and maga whites.

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    any even remotely law abiding politician(read american “left” wing) is kinda hamstrung with the current state of affairs.

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      Well, when the people in charge make abiding by laws means you sit quietly waiting to die, protesting is illegal, dissent is illegal, and even having a negative opinion of them is grounds for being mentally unfit, well there’s not much you can do inside the confines of their laws.

      Laws are not inherently moral or just. They will have to be broken, and by many MANY people. As my dad used to say " ‘you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands’ just leaves you a crazy lone gunman dead in the street" he was just making fun of movies when he said it, but to me it’s a call to organize.

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        Voter haven’t really given them any other choice by electing more Republicans than Democrats to the senate every year for over 10 years.

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        it’s a day late, dollar short. or are you ignoring the people being sent to foreign prisons

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    interesting to look from outside, Kamala completely disappeared after losing election, that tells everything about her involvement. Compare that with Le Pen/Mélenchon in France ,who keep trying and trying and trying lol. Well not Le Pen anymore but point stands

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      As someone who voted for her, I’m completely on board with never seeing her or hearing from her again. She utterly failed — lost a (mostly*) free and fair election to a demented fascist idiot who’s destroying the country. Enough of the responsibility for our current situation rests on her shoulders that she can fuck right off forever, along with Biden, the Bushes, the Clintons, Mitch McConnell, Joe Lieberman, Newt Gingrich and all the other neocons, neolibs, and corrupt, amoral, greedy, misanthropic assholes that got us here.

      She might survive as a politician if she took responsibility for the loss, and pushed for change in the Democratic party. Hopefully, she’ll do that, and not follow Clinton’s example. Seems unlikely.

      • There was probably some amount of fuckery, but if the margins were as wide as they should have been, they couldn’t have pulled it off.
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      Kamala still sends me emails asking for money, I think for the DNC. That is the problem with corporate Democrats, they think resistance looks like fundraising

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    Destroy the country to “own the libs”. What a world and they wanted this so they can make memes instead of trying to do anything.

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    Not pictured are the “leftists” as they’re all sitting around at home complaining about liberals.

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    So all the judges stopping his bullshit from passing is nothing? Along with the judges that overturn his bullshit, that’s nothing also? And Corey Booker’s 19 hour long (and counting) filibuster is nothing? What about all the people that actually VOTED to try and stop this from happening in the first place? Or the people that fucking warned you this would happen.

    Noting?

    You all seem to have an odd definition of “doing nothing” that’s for sure. Maybe if you all… did nothing instead of stating home during an election we’d be in a much better place.

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      I voted in each primary, midterm, ballot and election - every chance I got. I was also one of the many who was warning that a shuffling corpse was a terrible candidate, that Harris wasn’t doing enough to differentiate from Biden in a meaningful way, and that constantly arming Israel’s genocide with our money was going to cost voter enthusiasm, swing states, and likely the election.

      And here we are, still blaming voters. While Schumer folds on the CR or Jeffries refuses to whip votes - Pelosi at least ran a tight ship and wielded the House gavel. The Democratic leadership is waffling and waiting out for the midterms, where they’re hoping enough people are pissed off to flip the House/Senate. They’re willing to wait two years to act. Two years of deportations, two years of norms destroyed, two years of institutions gutted, allies snubbed, economic self-injury.

      Can you wait two years on a political gamble? Can the country? When are we going to hold our political leadership to the fire and demand action?

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        These are the words I’ve heard from anyone paying attention.

        Also thank you for your work from this canuck.

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        The mechanisms that politicians have available to them are to use their voice to convince Republicans, to filibuster, to file lawsuits, and to gather votes for midterms. They’re doing all of that.

        Any other kinds of actions require a massive majority of everyday Americans, not just a slim 51%; and certainly nothing a Senator or rep could magically do.

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          I said leadership, because yes the individual politicians do not have the ability to whip votes in Congress or create a cross-party platform. That Jeffries’, Schumer’s, and the DNC’s job. That’s who I’m mad at for refusing to recognize the new meta that Trump has tapped into - populist messaging.

          People have been failed by late stage capitalism, and are mad about seeing their children have fewer chances in life and less hope, or that the lifestyle their parents were able to achieve is now a fantasy for many. They may not recognize the why, but they are pissed about it. Trump peddles easy to consume lies that offer no real solution to the problem, call him out and provide a real alternative, not more milquetoast centrism subservient to Wall Street. Voters want change and a new social contract. Become the party they want to vote for, instead of crafting districts to meet the DNC’s stance.

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      Amen. At least half the voting public did something—showed up, voted, protested, filibustered, and fought every step of the way. Democrats and countless others have been in the trenches, blocking, delaying, and overturning what they can.

      This meme? It does nothing. No encouragement. No solution. Just cynicism and blame. Maybe OP should take a long look in the mirror before calling everyone else out.

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            77 million voted for Trump. 75 million votes for Harris. Just under 3 million voted for a third party candidate of some kind. 90 million didn’t vote but were registered to vote. We don’t know the number of potentially eligible but not registered people there are. The US has an estimated 340 million population. An estimated 260 million are adults.

            Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit?

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              It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.

              For local elections it’s less than a fith.

              The protesters were almost all young people 30 and under, which when we look at the numbers, that group didn’t vote any differently than any other election, same as always they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election in any meaningful way.

              I would love it if young people voted, but they don’t.

              Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit? I know you won’t tho, keep convincing yourself of reasons to attack your fellow slaves XD

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            As I said in another thread elsewhere on the same subject a while back:

            The Protest Vote Paradox™

            As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:

            “We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”

            -Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:

            Whether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
            • Obnoxiously tell everyone: “We told you all what would happen!”
            • Onnoxiously claim there is: “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”

            As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:

            1. Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
            2. Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
            3. Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.

            Something, something, something Ted Talk.

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              This is just a long-winded, inverted version of the aphorism about liberals’ paradoxical view of progressives; they’re a small, niche group, and the Democrats shouldn’t try to appease them because they’ll just alienate mainstream voters by courting this insignificant block of voters. However, progressives are somehow also a large, powerful cabal that can be blamed for every major Democratic loss.

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                Progressives could be the largest voting block and most still wouldn’t come out to vote. Why bother trying to gain the vote of a group that has historically low voting. There’s a reason Bernie didn’t win the primary despite massive grass roots movements.

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                  Yup, it was not lost on me that this was essentially Eco’s 8th feature of fascism. Not that the Democrats are fascists; they don’t match most of the other features, especially 6 (I don’t think it’d ever occurred to them to appeal to anyone’s frustrations), but it seems liberals have at least borrowed this rhetorical attack to punch left.

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                  Oh progressives are definitely weak. But numerous. A simple bare minimum vote would have stopped ALL of this from happening.

                  But you couldn’t even do that. So yeah… weak as fuck if you ask me.

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                Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.

                I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.

                Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.

                That says a LOT.

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                  Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.

                  Name a point where I said abstaining from voting was good. My point wasn’t that protest voting was good. It was that you could make the exact opposite point (with a lot fewer words) using your exact logic. Which means it’s not a good point.

                  I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring [you mean “try paying,” maybe?] attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.

                  Again, fine, let’s make it an action thing. If the protest voters were so necessary to Harris’ election, why didn’t she take any actions to win them over? That was incredibly irresponsible of her.

                  Are you beginning to see how all your arguments can be flipped just as easily to place the blame on the candidate instead of the voters? Do you think maybe that’s because, even though you’ve convinced yourself that what your saying is cold, hard logic, your actually just screaming your opinions at people?

                  For the record, I voted for Harris out of harm reduction, and I wish she’d won. However, I believe that it is a candidates job to win an election, not the voters job to get them elected. If there was a significant contingent of voters withholding their vote, I think that candidate must have been doing a shitty job.

                  Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.

                  That says a LOT.

                  Yeah, it says I saw more than 2 minutes of political coverage in 2024, so I knew that Harris wasn’t getting criticism for being too progressive. Grow up.

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    “Liberals will win majority of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, CNN projects”

    The one on the right should be “Edgelord leftists posting on Lemmy”

    I mean I’m not gonna deny that some like Schumer have been totally useless. But over the last few months “liberals doing nothing” has included halving Tesla’s stock price and winning the Supreme Court in a state that went Trump. In prediction markets future races are looking bad for Republicans. Don’t like what democrats are doing? Great, go run or support a candidate you do like. Or better yet, run as a Republican and do a hostile takeover of that party so you can challenge democrats from the left in the general too. There’s enough anger at Republicans now that it could actually work, especially in safe blue districts.

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          They’re burning their own cars?
          A Tesla is a shit car, it can not compete without protectionism and would lose hard against superior Chinese cars anyway without massive protectionism.
          Tesla stocks isn’t even at its lowest point.
          https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/stock-price-history

          Even if it was, what would it have ‘achieved’? It won’t even hurt Musk personally.
          As if he would care about a few billion less.
          He has other companies and many gov defense contracts to help terrorise the world. Plenty of them made under your great lib gov.
          I guess he was still OK when he demanded to keep his factories open in peak covid times or when he did plenty of other horrible things?

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            Ewan has been on television crying about Tesla stock every six hours for the past two weeks.

            They are using the full force of the United States government to protect Tesla dealerships.

            is obviously not doing OK with this. His creditors on Twitter just made him combine it with his AI company so he’s basically losing that to the bank too.

            we’re off to a great start. And it’s just getting started.

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              LOL, but I guess it’s what to expect coming from someone calling AOC a “total lefty”

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                I think its okay to own your place on the political compass. Some reason the far left and far right always imagine they are the center and thats how we get extremism and unpopular policies! Look around you, 330M americans. Lots of opinions. Where do your opinions land if we lined them all up between left and right. Nothing wrong with being a lefty. All opinions matter, not all should be forced on people.

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                  Look around you, 330M americans.

                  I’m not American so my Overton window is what it should be, unlike the unhealthy US landscape.
                  And even on mine I am pretty far left.

                  Nothing wrong with being a lefty

                  Certainly not, but you should at least know to rate them accurately.
                  Larping as left like AOC or Bernie doesn’t cut it.

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                This guy I know who doesn’t vote republican said Warren, Bernie and AOC are extreme.

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                  That is al relative OC when what you get is a few centre and the majority right to ultra-right.
                  What is the healthy choice between Fanta or Coke?

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                June 2018 was a long time ago now. She came across pretty far to the left. When considering the sliding American center going right, she remains far to the left of the American political spectrum.

                Can you identify 5-10 congresspeople futher to the left of AOC?

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                  congresspeople

                  See, that’s a specific group.
                  And what you call ‘to the left of them’ is simply and objectively ‘less right’

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      Dems biggest problem has never been results. They have done that. Time and time again. Fix the economy. Solve unemployment. Shot the steal. Whatever it is. They have actually done it each time.

      But i have never seen a group that has been so mindblowingly incompetent at messaging.

      Take some fucking credit you dipshits!

      Seriously. Biden did almost everything we asked him to do. But the party never took credit or bragged about it enough. So much so that despite accomplishing the status quo, he still came across as a loser and lost the election for his incumbent.

      They did what we asked. But we were too timid or pc to take the fucking credit! we lost because of some semblance of decorum or some other nonsense.

      Brag about it you pussy ass bitches!

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          If a handful of online “lefties” can undo Democrats’ billion dollars of advertising, then that sounds like you’re agreeing that Dems are mind-blowingly incompetent at messaging.

          If Dems can’t win until everyone matches in lockstep with no disagreement then either Dems need to fall in line with their base, or get ready for a third Trump term.

          P.S. Democrats are a centrist party (at best). It shouldn’t be surprising that Leftists don’t consider them left enough. Why does the existence of Leftists anger moderates so much?

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            I agree with you. and power to the people we should be able to express our will over that of some rich guy.

            I also agree that Democrats are eccentric party and we do not treat the far left very well. I just consider you to weigh the impact of your vote in the future.

            I really don’t want to have to go defend Canada for my own country next time if I could. I’m sure you have other wants to.

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              Can you tell me why any time I express the slightest criticism of the Democrats, a Democrat has to lecture about voting? I did not say anything about how I voted.

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                Can you tell me why any time I express the slightest criticism of the Democrats, a Democrat has to lecture about voting?

                Because VBNMW is the Blue MAGA mantra to deflect any criticism from a candidate who is racist, sexist, queerphobic, because the other guy is a bit more racist, sexist, and queerphobic.

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            They aren’t the ones who are undoing the achievements. The rich rightwingers are doing it. They employ a bunch of different channels, including some amount of useful idiots on the left, who are doing their bidding without understanding.
            The right can do it because they aren’t bound by any morals, or adherence to decorum, or fear of retaliation, or fear of change in general. Dems are the party of moderate gradual adherence to status quo and maybe moderate change for slightly better, if it’s not too bothersome. And the left for some reason hates the second more that the first, so they aren’t helping.

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              Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

              -Some Far Left Socialist

              If you agree the Democrats are aiming for “adherence to the status quo and maybe moderate change for the slightly better, if it’s not too bothersome” and you still don’t understand why that isn’t good enough for people being disappeared by agents of the state, I just don’t know what to tell you.

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                Of course it’s not enough. It’s all you have. There is no other big force that can do anything in US. Progressive movement doesn’t exist, and whatever disjointed groups are out there can’t even elect a representative if their life depends on it (it does). The sad truth is, you either support status quo party in their lukewarm attempts to combat the darkness, or you don’t, and darkness consumes you.
                America chose the latter, and nobody forced them to make this choice, they did it by themselves.

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                  you either support status quo party in their lukewarm attempts to combat the darkness, or you don’t, and darkness consumes you.

                  Holy false dichotomy, Batman!

                  Maybe you picked the latter, I guess. But feel free to be quiet while the rest of us work to support our communities and try to push Democrats to be less useless.

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    People get upset when you say standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything, but standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything.

    These guys won’t even do town halls any more. They’re not going to pay attention to paper signs on sticks.

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      One person standing on the street obviously doesn’t matter much, but it’s about being the change you’d wish to see. Boycotts don’t really work either. Doesn’t mean you should buy a Tesla.