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I don’t think it was an accident. I mostly lean towards it being a troll move to spark outrage.
It can be two things.
It was to spark outrage, and to call out his racist Nazi Homies on the right.
The thing that bothers me most about this argument is, if it WAS indeed an accident, any decent person would be horrified it was taken that way, and would immediately clarify what they meant, or apologize and reaffirm that they are not a nazi.
And yet, it’s crickets from him. If he’s not willing to do that extremely basic thing, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. He’s a nazi.
He did it twice for emphasis. Elon Musk is a Nazi. Elon Musk wants to burn Jews and gay people.
I doubt that he wants to burn Jews and gay people.
Because he’s proven himself to be a sensible well regulated person?
There’s plenty of people in the world who are not sensible and not well regulated that don’t wish to burn Jews and gay people.
Yes but they are generally not Nazis
Exactly! Not all unsensible and unregulated people are Nazis.
How is that a rebuttal? Being a sociopath is definitely a characteristic of a Nazi. Not all sociopaths are homophobic anti-Semites, but I bet you know something all Nazis have in common. He’s proven himself to be a sociopath. Him being Nazi seems a lot more plausible than him being misunderstood.
Not everyone who is not sensible and not well-regulated is a sociopath. I’m not saying he is or isn’t. But there’s def non-sociopath people who are not sensible and not well-regulated.
Complete bullshit. This whole, “no he was thanking and giving his heart to the crowd” excuse is such bullshit. There are so many ways to make that gesture.
The amount of hoops people will jump through to cover it up is mind-blowing. When it looks like a salute, when a country says it’s a salute, and when Nazis recognize it as a salute, yes, it’s a fucking salute.
Hey there, everyone. I’m the center. Go check my history, you’ll be disgusted if you’re far left.
Yeah… this was not okay. We know what this is in the “center”. Fuck Elon Musk.
Yeah, I see John Cleese’s Advantages of Extremism skit is still as relevant as ever…
Relevant because it showcases liberals’ political illiteracy?
Not throwing any shade at Cleese though, he’s one of the few conservatives who was genuinely talented at comedy.
I do believe a lot of people – and the mainstream news media here in the states – want to believe this is normal and this is fine the way Trump kept wishing on camera COVID-19 was going to just go away on its own, even as CDC discovered enough instances to declare it has infected the community (e.g. the American public) and could no longer be contained via specific isolation.
They are so desperate to for things to be normal that they want to justify the outrageousness as within the threshold of normal any way they can.
I’m not sure, but Trump behaves as if he likes pushing that envelope, much the way he forced Robert Kennedy Jr. to eat McDonalds to assert dominance.
Center here, it was a full blown nazi salute and every other european centrist I know also know it was a full blown nazi salute. We dont want to assosciate with the people saying it wasn’t a nazi salute, they are either insanely stupid or undercover nazis.
It was definitely questionable. People saying it’s 100% are being unreasonable. There’s a large interpretation here.
And calling people names and trying to bully people into accepting your view is disturbing.
He threw his hand out from his heart and said my heart goes out to you. It’s definitely questionable.
No doubt about the gesture. Why are literal neo nazis all over neo nazi media super happy about it? Why is the only video record of such heartfelt gestures from modern nazi rallies or black and white and in german/italian? only question is why a man from a nazi family backing a party who is changing the constitutuon in order to harass minorities would do such a thing. 3 times in a row.
If you think the gesture means heartfelt thanks go do it infront of a synagogue, infront of your boss and in a highly public place. Its an EXTREMELY common gesture americans use all the time, right?
Don’t point to a swastika and tell me it’s a windmill.
What was performed, is a textbook nazi salute. Start to finish.
No the hands grabbing the heart isn’t. Actual Nazis have said this.
And then throwing it out to the crowd is different.
WW2, might seem like a long time ago. But it really isn’t. We have video footage of Hitler himself. Performing this exact routine.
Would you like me to spoon-feed you a side by side comparison?
Center-right, previously strong (not far) right. That was clearly two Nazi salutes done by a drugged out oligarch. There’s no way around it.
As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?
Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?
The reason I ask is because here in the states Centrist means the latter, e.g. people who still hate the homeless and expect immigrants to go through (nonexistent for most) legal channels.
It puts us at free education including university, free healthcare, shorter work week and days, human rights, right to self govern, limits to make housing affordable, electricity affordable, not to pollute, you know all the shit that we have and want to keep. Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from and questions like how to deal with immigration. I personally believe the way to utopia is through making free specialized or higher education possible for even those who have nothing as educated population doesn’t elect stupid ass parties, is wealthy and pays more taxes to support the society.
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society extreme right wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from
You just have no study of history or politics, that’s the difference. You believe that “high education” will magically solve wealth inequality, oligarchy/monopoly, and the drive for ever-increasing and maximized profit that is intrinsically opposed to a welfare state and to ecological conservation.
Restrictions implanted to not let companies exploit people do that. Takes not stupid people to make smart decisions. Works in my country. Works for welfare states. I’m fine in my country. We were part of the soviet union, we know exactly how oppression, totaliatarian control of the ruling class, genocide, mass murder, oligarchy run government, inequality and systematic ecological catastrophies look like. This is why we want to do better.
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
lmao there’s a difference between using violence to remove the capitalist class from power and using violence to genocide minorities.
I know you are being downvoted but I feel similar for the most part, I do find that not all countries versions of the left-centre-right divide marry up to each other and even the terminologies can get confusing. e.g in UK we have Liberal Democrats who are the only Centre party but the word Liberal in there can cause confusion for others. In Scotland we have free education including all the way through to degrees at universities etc thought that was started by the left wing government, the centre party wants to keep it as does the right wing.
I cant be upset about downvoting. Americans have to deal with it, not my problem. And they will get third and fourth term if they keep downvoting people who don’t self identify as extreme left or view violence as a solution. Those “eat the rich” folk have been fed propaganda material on the silver platter and all they do is alienate popular support they need for a functional society even further. Fuck them then.
If it’s any consolation, in Australia that’d make you far-left.
Your scale is way off, the whole scale should be between right of centre and far right
When we say Mangione the 1%, we mean all of them.
By income, right? I like my dentist.
I don’t know what you hope to accomplish with these memes other than pushing people to the right… Like is that the goal? Because it seems like that’s the goal. It’s a constant strawman fallacy with the same bullshit format the far right uses in their memes.
I know you people hate the centre, but thats a pretty far right Portrait of the centre
I don’t understand why everyone who says this is downvoted in this thread. Saying that the apologists of a fascist who gave the Nazi salute on national television are more right that centre seems like a pretty reasonable stance.
What would you call news outlets like the New York Times?
Idk, I’m not american
Edit: but if they defended the “he didn’t mean to do that” stance, then they are far closer to the right than they think
American centrists are right wing by other countries standards. The anti defamation league, an American organization that supposedly fights antisemitism, is saying its not a nazi salute. Idk what they are smoking.
I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
If I don’t survive, tell my wife hello.
Code beige
Only valid for the American political.
All my friends here in Europe, up to and including centre right, are the far left wojak in this meme
European here. Our centrists would be considered left by americans and not a single one I know thinks it wasn’t a nazi salute who wasnt a right winger nut job.
Why are you calling everyone who didn’t agree with names?
It’s shocking how aggressive you guys are.
You misunderstood i wasn’t calling anyone names i was extending my thanks. What are you stupid that you don’t understand very common words?
See you’re an aggressive person. It’s pretty disturbing
Why would you find extremely common words used to express my heart being extended to you in gratitude agressive?
What is wrong with you?
Shift that center to the right a little more. I think the true center would say something like “Why are we still talking about Elon Musk?”
I doubt it. Even moderates understand that the richest man in the world getting his own White House department is novel and worth discussing.
I’m saying the opinion that is labeled as center is not center at all. It’s right wing. We’re saying the same thing.
I hate that this is a meme.
