A lot of people defending Elon but I still haven’t seen Elon defend Elon. Concerning.
I think he made some tweets about it
What did he say? I only saw him reply to a tweet saying that accusing everyone of being Nazi is getting tired, but I didn’t see that he actually commented on the salute.
Yeah i don’t think be ever explained what that gesture was supposed to be, he only retweeted posts and memes that were in his defense
Edit: i just watched the full clip for the first time, i didn’t know he says “my heart goes out to you” after so i guess that’s his alibi
He reportedly did a tweet mocking people for calling him Hitler (which I saw in elsewhere since I’m not a user of his site). Incredibly, of all people, the ADL also chirped out the same “it was an accident” line as the media.
ADL? What’s that? Aryan Defense League?
Apartheid Defense League
The Anti-Defamation League is an influential NGO that’s supposed to fight antisemitism. Probably because Trump has repeatedly shown a fondness for Netanyahu, they’re apparently throwing Jewish people under the bus to sweep this under the rug.
More like AIPAC Defense League
The association of German National Jews supported Hitler. Turns out it was a mistake.
Shift that center to the right a little more. I think the true center would say something like “Why are we still talking about Elon Musk?”
I doubt it. Even moderates understand that the richest man in the world getting his own White House department is novel and worth discussing.
I’m saying the opinion that is labeled as center is not center at all. It’s right wing. We’re saying the same thing.
Only valid for the American political.
All my friends here in Europe, up to and including centre right, are the far left wojak in this meme
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Why are you calling everyone who didn’t agree with names?
It’s shocking how aggressive you guys are.
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See you’re an aggressive person. It’s pretty disturbing
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Hey there, everyone. I’m the center. Go check my history, you’ll be disgusted if you’re far left.
Yeah… this was not okay. We know what this is in the “center”. Fuck Elon Musk.
Yeah, I see John Cleese’s Advantages of Extremism skit is still as relevant as ever…
Relevant because it showcases liberals’ political illiteracy?
Not throwing any shade at Cleese though, he’s one of the few conservatives who was genuinely talented at comedy.
The centre is the actual ones looking like the guy on the left. Everyone else is celebrating, either “I fucking told you so”, “oh cool, the class war/revolution is going to start for real now” or “yay our kinda guy”.
Tf are you on about?
Either it’s that or I’m far leftist I guess, because the guy on the left is what I’ve been feeling like since I saw that salute.
No one does that on accident. This will be far worse than most expect
He also did it twice in a row.
He makes the face that a 12-year-old would make when trying to be cool and do something they’re not supposed to. It’s a recurring thing with him, both acting and looking like a shitty child.
Well, since he did it in the opposite direction, it cancels out the first one!
No one on the left is crestfallen or surprised or whatever that wojak means that an oligarch is also a fascist. Or that a racist dipshit who praised the nazi party like last week happens to be a nazi.
Exactly.
Almost like that’s the point.
And what do we do with nazis?
But you do realize they didn’t celebrate “not getting banned by court” with their small group of a few lads but winning presidency with likely a sizable chunk of voters fully supporting them in even their more crude views?
Shoot them on sight, they’re enemy combatants 😏
Punch them in the face.
That is a lot milder than what I was taught.
It’s much easier if you remove the face first.
Hammer in their head
You guys are really disturbingly violent. Isn’t the Nazis being violent the reason why people don’t like Nazis. You seem just as bad
It’s self defense. They want me dead by definition.
Well obviously that’s wrong
But going out and trying to kill them is no better.
None of it should happen.
I see you would struggle with the trolley problem. Look up some pictures of Nazi’s smiling next to large piles of emaciated corpses and tell me that I’m just as bad for wanting them dead.
No body should want any body dead. I’m against violence of any kind.
If only the Russians thought like you, then the Nazi’s would’ve won. Perhaps you like that more than having a spine.
I don’t threaten people with violence. You’re just as bad as them, if you think violence is the solution.
::Checks username:: Oh so that’s why you’re slow.
I do believe a lot of people – and the mainstream news media here in the states – want to believe this is normal and this is fine the way Trump kept wishing on camera COVID-19 was going to just go away on its own, even as CDC discovered enough instances to declare it has infected the community (e.g. the American public) and could no longer be contained via specific isolation.
They are so desperate to for things to be normal that they want to justify the outrageousness as within the threshold of normal any way they can.
I’m not sure, but Trump behaves as if he likes pushing that envelope, much the way he forced Robert Kennedy Jr. to eat McDonalds to assert dominance.
“My heart goes out to you” - Troglodyte response.
I feel like “noo it wasn’t a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn’t intentional” is more of a “right of center” response instead of a “center” response, and “Elon Musk just did a Nazi salute on live TV” is closer to center, but otherwise this seems accurate.
Maybe the Overton window has shifted so far right that I’m wrong about that, though.
None of the mainstream media wanted to call it out for what it was. They profess to be centrist, but you could indeed probably classify them as centre right, especially when it comes to economic issues.
On this case, the “noo it wasn’t a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn’t intentional” is a “nazis paid me to say this” response. At best it’s “I haven’t seen it, and I don’t trust you” answer.
But well, the people criticizing “centrists” are usually on that later category, and usually for good reason, so their experience may be biased.
The problem is that America has no mainstream centrist or leftist media. It’s either center-right or far-right. The closest we get to a progressive are comics like John Stewart and John Oliver.
Complete bullshit. This whole, “no he was thanking and giving his heart to the crowd” excuse is such bullshit. There are so many ways to make that gesture.
The amount of hoops people will jump through to cover it up is mind-blowing. When it looks like a salute, when a country says it’s a salute, and when Nazis recognize it as a salute, yes, it’s a fucking salute.
It’s amazing how US divisive culture is just swapping over to other countries. Now the radicals are trying to push that being in the middle is an issue. Imagine that: being able to not demonize everybody and everything that doesn’t belong to your tribe is now worth ridicule in the US.
And they’re SO aggressive, name calling, degrading language. It’s pretty disturbing how aggressively they’re pushing this. If you don’t agree with them that this might not be a questionable salute you’re garage and probably a nazi.
What county are you posting from buddy?
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Center-right, previously strong (not far) right. That was clearly two Nazi salutes done by a drugged out oligarch. There’s no way around it.
It was definitely questionable. People saying it’s 100% are being unreasonable. There’s a large interpretation here.
And calling people names and trying to bully people into accepting your view is disturbing.
He threw his hand out from his heart and said my heart goes out to you. It’s definitely questionable.
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Don’t point to a swastika and tell me it’s a windmill.
What was performed, is a textbook nazi salute. Start to finish.
No the hands grabbing the heart isn’t. Actual Nazis have said this.
And then throwing it out to the crowd is different.
WW2, might seem like a long time ago. But it really isn’t. We have video footage of Hitler himself. Performing this exact routine.
Would you like me to spoon-feed you a side by side comparison?
As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?
Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?
The reason I ask is because here in the states Centrist means the latter, e.g. people who still hate the homeless and expect immigrants to go through (nonexistent for most) legal channels.
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If it’s any consolation, in Australia that’d make you far-left.
Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from
You just have no study of history or politics, that’s the difference. You believe that “high education” will magically solve wealth inequality, oligarchy/monopoly, and the drive for ever-increasing and maximized profit that is intrinsically opposed to a welfare state and to ecological conservation.
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Restrictions implanted to not let companies exploit people do that
And how are you exactly going to do that as long as companies control the government, as they do in capitalism? How’s regulation working so far, with every country violating the IPCC recommendations?
Works in my country. Works for welfare states
Bullshit. All “welfare states” rely on unequal exchange through the exploitation of the global south. Without poor people on the other side of the world extracting resources for misery wages and toiling their lives away at sweatshops, your country would have no welfare.
We were part of the soviet union, we know exactly how oppression, totaliatarian control of the ruling class, genocide, mass murder, oligarchy run government, inequality and systematic ecological catastrophies look like.
How old were you exactly in 1991?
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
lmao there’s a difference between using violence to remove the capitalist class from power and using violence to genocide minorities.
I know you are being downvoted but I feel similar for the most part, I do find that not all countries versions of the left-centre-right divide marry up to each other and even the terminologies can get confusing. e.g in UK we have Liberal Democrats who are the only Centre party but the word Liberal in there can cause confusion for others. In Scotland we have free education including all the way through to degrees at universities etc thought that was started by the left wing government, the centre party wants to keep it as does the right wing.
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