• Nougat@fedia.io
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      17 天前

      I was told that calling people names would just alienate them, and that you should instead be trying to understand.

      • JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee
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        17 天前

        Two wrongs don’t make a right. Sorry. If the majority of you feel that way, I’m probably gonna be leaving Lemmy.

        • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
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          17 天前

          Killing an enemy during war isn’t a wrong.

          Killing millions through capitalistic greed is wrong.

          The shooter is a hero.

        • MrVilliam@lemm.eeEnglish
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          17 天前

          Two wrongs don’t make a right, but if a wrong today prevents millions of wrongs tomorrow, I think that’s a little different. The directive of that man was for the insurance company he led to deny lifesaving care to people which is effectively a death sentence to them. This isn’t one life versus another, it’s one life versus a fucking swath of others.

          Executing a man in the street is evil, but let’s not pretend that it’s more evil than the white collar mass murder that he was ordering.

          • lectricleopard@lemmy.world
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            17 天前

            Yeah this guy probably had a LinkedIn page bragging about how much he’s done, so he can get paid the most to do it.

            He almost certainly publicly touted his efforts (if not on LinkedIn, another way) to deny people healthcare, so he could make more money. This is not a way to earn my empathy when it backfires.

        • lectricleopard@lemmy.world
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          17 天前

          Because it has inelastic demand, meaning I’m going to pay for it even if the cost is very high.

          That’s why is run for profit. Its also why it shouldn’t be, but certainly why it is.

          • Granbo's Holy Hotrod@lemmy.world
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            17 天前

            Maybe if we as a society just stopped playing the game and had a system we could all use as the safety deposit box for Healthcare. If only there was some sort of system in place today that could collect money from us and without being motivated by profit provide Healthcare. Imagine all the recovered productivity once benefits teams don’t need to hold a meeting each year and explain. How hard they worked to minimize the now expected annual increase in costs. If only.

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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        17 天前

        No, mental health is usually a totally separate coverage plan than health. Because why not make things a lot more complex and harder for people who need help? It’s like dental with completely different deductibles of their own, because your mouth isn’t a health issue…

  • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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    17 天前

    Let me absolutely clear about this: I do not condone murdering people. But I really do hope these people are rethinking their lives right now.

    • shoulderoforion@fedia.io
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      17 天前

      rethinking, and going to their Board of Directors to request 24/7/365 security teams for themselves and their families, then needing to put that expense on their yearly expenditure reports, then have reporters ask about it every single time their financials are printed

      • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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        17 天前

        How’s a security team going to stop someone from walking up and pulling a gun out and shooting? No security team in the world is going to stop that before it happens.

        There’s a reason public figures such as the president don’t have their schedule published, and drive around with several identical vehicles withough people knowing which one they’re in, and then scour buildings before letting them go in, and restricting people from being allowed in while they’re there.

        Heck, I’ve been kicked out of buildings while I do my job when an unannounced public figures such as the vice president shows up for a tour.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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      17 天前

      Sadly they are not. They think they are better than everyone else and it’s not their fault if people in the middle class are too stupid to get rich.

    • Mirshe@lemmy.world
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      17 天前

      To paraphrase Twain, I have never wanted to kill a man, but there are a good amount of obituaries I have read (or might read, in this case) with great joy.

    • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
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      17 天前

      I too don’t condone murdering people. That’s why I believe corrupt private health insurance shouldn’t exist.

  • Psionicsickness@reddthat.com
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    17 天前

    Not defending these fucks in any way, but I did see another post showing rejected claims per company, and apparently KP was the lowest of all the insurance companies.

    Now the IDEA of these companies is a WHOLE OTHER argument, fuck em all.

    • NatakuNox@lemmy.worldOP
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      17 天前

      KP makes money by forcing it’s customers into using old and outdated treatments. Their low rejection percentage doesn’t tell the whole story. Other companies go the opposite direction. High rejection while funneling patients to the most profitable treatments which usually means the newest most expensive ones.

      Also doesn’t change the fact that they part of a broken system and lobby to keep it that way.

      • Nougat@fedia.io
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        17 天前

        Bottom of that page:

        The Blue Cross Blue Shield Association is an association of independent, locally operated Blue Cross and Blue Shield companies.

        • NatakuNox@lemmy.worldOP
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          17 天前

          So all the other smaller “franchises” get their orders from who? Who’s the top person for their Association?

            • NatakuNox@lemmy.worldOP
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              17 天前

              Kinda like the NBA… But they are all beholden to the same collective rules and practices. It’s not like the locally and independently owned nba teams can change the ball or court to benefit their team over the others. Small differences. Same game. Same commissioner tasked with insuring no one independently owned and operated organization does not stray too far from the path.

            • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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              17 天前

              So if I start a company called Blue Cross Blue Shield in an area they don’t service, that’s A-OK right? I mean, if all these groups are just independent, with no central governing body, then there’s no one I’d need to get permission from. I can use the Blue Cross logo, I can create my own Blue Cross network, and I can make a website called therealbluecross.com and no one would be able to sue me.

              Unless… There IS an actual body at the top. Someone who owns the trademark and gives these “independent, locally operated” groups their standards and policies they’re expected to abide by. Someone who would come knocking if someone started using their name without permission.

    • BlueLineBae@midwest.socialEnglish
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      17 天前

      I was going to say… Replace BlueCross with Elevance Health and stick Gail Boudreaux in there instead. Anthem just decided to start putting a time cap on anesthesia which is considered dangerous universally by anesthesiologists everywhere. You know… To prevent over billing of anesthesia and definitely not for more profit.

  • Xanthrax@lemmy.world
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    17 天前

    Bob Sternfels. Bob is the global managing partner of McKinsey & Company and chairs the firm’s board of directors.

    Their consulting firm prolificated modern anti- consumer, worker, and union practices. They’re a consultant for most of the Fortune 500 companies. They’re the ones that caused walmart to encourage workers to get on personal/ state health care. They’re the ones that taught companies to keep their workers just under full time. They’re the ones that told disney to lay off roller coaster maintenance workers. They also pushed the opioid crisis. Most of their money comes from consulting HEALTH CARE SERVICES. They caused this. We need to aim even higher.

    • adarza@lemmy.caEnglish
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      17 天前

      which sounds really good if that number includes denials of actual fraudulent claims

      • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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        17 天前

        Except you’re assuming every single claim is legit, which is obviously not true.

        An insurance company that never denies a single legit claim is still going to have a significant number of denials. People try to get away with bullshit all the time too, you know.

    • Clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      17 天前

      I was very happy on kaiser for years, within the bounds of a healthcare system that required insurance. I never felt mistreated.

      • friend_of_satan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 天前

        I had Kaiser for like 20 years, over half of that with a growing family who was also in Kaiser, and never had a claim denied, had really good experiences.

        I switched to Cigna when I moved out of Kaiser’s area and was denied a treatment within 1 year, after waiting for a few months, the day before treatment was to occur.

      • SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 天前

        Insurance is like WIFI. You just want it to work without thinking about it. It’s only when there is a problem that you get angry.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    17 天前

    The billionaire owned media trying to make people care about that guy is gonna backfire horribly…

    School shooters barely make statewide news these days, two people tried to kill a presidential candidate at months ago and that wasn’t even a huge deal, but a CEO who just walks around in public gets you nationwide coverage for days and the public on your side?

    Especially with the shit that trump brings and the fact that Republican politicians are no longer the dog, they’ve jumped in the mail truck and started driving it…

    I don’t think Trump can control his most extreme followers, and historically it’s pretty common for that fringe to turn against leaders if they don’t go all out.

    There’s a good chance this guy ends up going down in history as the equivalent to Columbine.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      17 天前

      Case in point:

      Did you miss this story, happened the same day as UHC CEO being denied coverage for his late stage denial-of-coverage-itis?

      https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-students-shot-gunman-dead-after-shooting-christian/story?id=116467156

      2 kindergarteners shot by a male adult in small K-8 school, out in the boonies north of Sacramento, they’re in critical condition as of this article.

      Guy apparently asked about enrolling his kid in school, then shot a 5 and 6 year old, then punched his own ticket.

      …

      Genuine question: How many people knew about this literal same day school shooting prior to reading my comment here?

  • HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
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    17 天前

    This completely disgusts me. Its totally unjust and unfair. I mean the ceo can be changed easily, will no one think about the board of diretors!