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Trump voters won’t care about any of that shit until it impacts them personally. My family is moving from Indiana to Maryland because of this election which is really going to obliterate grandparents’ time around our kids. Sucks for them we refuse to stay in a state that would actively destroy our kids’ education and wellbeing. They can shell out whatever massively inflated airfare it’ll cost them to come visit us in a place we can actually feel safe.
Maryland is wonderful… you’ll love it. I’m working on getting out of the South and back up north to the mid Atlantic
Wait until you’re the grandparent and see how it’s different then, and how would you’d think then
Maybe the grandparents shouldn’t vote to directly harm their own grandchildren, and actively destroy their futures. Just a thought.
Yes the warped perscrptive informed from 50 years ago, when you had no choice but to trust the TV and newspapers, not like the world has changed since then.
Sounds like gramma and grampa voted Trump, so maybe next time they’ll make better choices. It’s too late, of course, but that’s the bed they made.
I could understand Trump in 2016. I could also understand Trump in 2020 but much less. In 2024? Nahh… America voted for him in 2024 and I will judge Americans for it.
Could you really understand Trump in 2016? I’m not asking to be mean. Wasn’t his character the same back then? I’ve tuned out of US politics since the DNC screwed over Bernie in 2016.
He was a meanie and very unpresidential and Hillary was disliked (even by me) and people wanted something different. Now he has been shown he will literally go against any advisors and literally tried to overturn the 2020 election results. Literal anti-democratic traitor to america.
Yeah, it made zero sense then and it has never made sense.
the only president in over 100 years to lose the popular vote twice. he won it his third time. unbelievable. as a rapist he’s probably used to insisting after rejection until he wears them down.
in 2016 Trump was the one who mocked soldiers, was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy, vilifying immigrants, and being just as shitty as he is today. There was nothing understandable about voting for him in 2016.
Many of those people could have been swayed to vote democrat if the democrats fucking addressed the actual fucking issues and actually gave them a damn narrative to go by. Saying everything is fine when nothing is fine and the Republicans are constantly screwing them over (while also 100% deflecting ALL blame elsewhere) is delusional at best.
Also fuck AIPAC.
I’ve done a lot of posts critical of the posture and actions of the Democrat Party and their whole “If you don’t vote you’re voting Trump” propaganda (which are right there in my post history with lots of for and against votes), but as I see it the point being made by this tweet is different.
I don’t read this tweet as being about people who didn’t vote at all because the present day Democrat party, Democrat Candidate and Democrat President’s actions didn’t appeal to them (which is what seems to be responsible for the Democrat loss), I think it’s about people who actually explicitly voted Trump (so, none of that “implictly voting Trump if you don’t vote bollocks” but actually putting their vote on Trump)
And I absolutelly agree with this tweet: that man is a complete total worm - in everything from what he’s done to what he says and even his body language - and on top of that was offering scapegoating and hate as policies.
I can get it that some people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the Genocidal ethno-Fascist supporting, pro-Oligarchy hard-right Neoliberal, slimy snakesoil salesman liar Democrats, but anybody actually voting Trump is not simply distrusting of or dissapointed with the modern day Democrat Party, they’re active supporters of an even broader and deeper kind of nastiness.
While reading the beginning of this comment, I thought I had actually witnessed a “genocide joe” moron admit they were wrong… But nope.
Never gonna happen, is it?
Cope and seethe.
I judge them for being the most gullible dumbasses in the history of the world. How stupid you have to be to believe the shit that Trump says?
These are just the dumbest and most simple-minded people in the country.
Yup. Communication requires effort on the part of the sender and receiver. I reject the premise that anyone needed convincing by the Dems. If simply seeing the candidates speak wasn’t enough, that portion if the electorate is not putting in the slightest effort to understand. There are many motivations for wilful ignorance. There were perhaps other explanations for Trumps win in '16. This time it’s just that America would rather have a convicted felon as a president.
I never judge people who got scammed or tricked or whatever. It happens. But getting scammed by one of the dumbest people on the planet is almost an achievement. I’m not even hyperbolic here, i have not seen a person making so much mouth noises and saying so little at the same time. That guy tricked you? Not even a smart and charming guy? Pathetic.
People always wonder why Vince McMahon get away with all his shit. And i did too, because i kept up with his monstrosities for quite some time. But even watching his netflix documentary, and knowing what an absolute monster he is, i just could not help but finding him weirdly charming. I don’t know what level of charisma he’s blessed with but it’s almost creepy. Donald has absolutely non of that.
It must be easy for the Dems to blame the voters and call them XYZ because it affords them the opportunity of not having to change. If the voters are the problem then you don’t have to do anything different and continue down the same path.
I’m sorry but if you look at Trump and think ‘okay, I will give him my vote.’ then you are a dick bag and deserve to be treated as such.
What the Dems do or don’t do is irrelevant.
Maybe during the next election they can run ads calling Trump supporters dick bags. I’m sure that will help them win.
Again, I don’t give a crap what the DNC does or not.
If you vote for Trump you’re a proper dickbag. Simple as.
Meaning that if they are ever held accountable, they will say they never voted for Trump and burn anything that could ever indicate so.
Well… I do judge them for their choice in political party when that party’s entire platform is built up on those things.
Additionally, if you did not vote for Harris I will judge you.
Genocide is a redline for me, though I understand why to many Harris voters the mass slaughter of people halfway across the world is a non-issue.
Well thank God you stopped that regular genocide from happening from a first term president who we can leverage public support against if she wanted a second term… And instead transformed it into a much faster and crueler genocide by a second term fascist who openly said we will never vote again and who wants to deport 25million Latinos out of this country (also a genocide fyi).
You guys really helped out those people in Gaza, sure thing. Look at how much you achieved. Next you’ll vote for mass gas chambers instead of individual lethal injection because you’re against the death penalty.
Why on earth do you think Trump is going to result in the slaughter of fewer of those people?
I don’t so I didn’t vote for him. But I wasn’t going to vote for the party that enabled the past 400 days of genocide and then sent Bill Clinton to explain to voters in Michigan how 40,000 dead Palestinians is not enough, either.
The horrors that are to come on partially on your head.
It would have been amazing if you had an option of a third outcome, but the reality is you didn’t. Life is full of situations where you have to pick between things that are both distasteful. But the trolley problem illustrates that opting out to avoid it is not an option at much as you try to convince yourself that it is.
Your stance strikes me as performative. As everyone’s lives are getting harder, including the people you claim to be prioritizing, that’s okay because at least your hands are clean. That’s the most important thing to you, that everyone knows you personally are pure.
The majority of the blame lays with the DNC, the GOP, and those that voted for Trump. But you will also share a portion of the blame, even if you deny and refuse to take responsibility for it, we all lay it on your shoulders anyways.
Of course it’s a fucking issue! Do you think it will be better now that Netanyahu got the person be wanted in the white house?! My god how short sighted are you!
This is the third fucking time Democrats have run with an establishment candidates.
I voted Harris but I knew she was a shit candidate and not who we needed to go against Trump. She couldn’t even primary ffs.
The DNC is squarely to blame, every time people blame the voters and nothing fucking changes. You can’t keep putting up generic neocon establishment hand-picked candidates and expect turnout.
every time people blame the voters and nothing fucking change
I blame all the voters that were fine with voting for Trump first, because they looked at that shit stain and thought he would be acceptable as the leader of the country. The people that voted for him are the problem.
Harris still did a terrible job, sure. But a literal pile of dogshit should have been a preferable option to Trump.
No I think it’s time to look inwards now. The only people to blame is ourselves and the trust we put into the DNC. They have broken our trust over and over again. It’s fucking time to rip the bandaid off and just focus on organizing and rooting out the people and issues that led to this failure in leadership. I don’t think I’m being dramatic in saying: they have completely failed us and robbed us of a secure future. I’m young, and this supreme court and all the shit to come is going to haunt me until the day I die. I’m fucking livid.
Maga has done the hard work and organized. We aren’t entitled to rule with no leadership.
If you voted for Harris I blame you for overlooking a fucking genocide.
After all, trump supporters are “overlooking fascism” to punish the biden admin for the gaslighting over inflation.
Trump is going to make things even worse for Palestine and Ukraine is absolutely fucked under Trump, and it’s your fucking fault for helping hand him the presidency. Think before you spew such ignorant bullshit next time.
Waaaah waaaah waaaah keep fucking crying. The DNC royally fucked up because they’re too busy circle jerking each other and sniffing their own farts than run an actual primary to protect the so called democracy they claim to care about but do nothing to protect.
Fuck you. Fucking selfish piece of shit.
Is Trump planning on helping Palestinians? It always seemed a strange argument to me to use against the Democrats since I’m pretty sure the right would have done the exact same in regards to Israel. Please prove me wrong, I’d love to see a silver lining to this situation.
Trump probably has more allegiance to Putin than he does to Netanyahu’s money, which might mean forcing it to compromise on a compromise. But frankly, I’ve always seen US support of Israel as a means to drive out Russian influence in Israel, whose cooperation has increased the last few decades before becoming clouded with the latest conflict. The conflict with Iran and its proxies might stop, but Palestinians are still getting genocided, if anything with more of a focus.
Are biden/Harris planning on helping the Palestinians when they continue to fund and arm israel in the genocide?
They’re the same.
Exactly! So we agree it shouldn’t be an argument for or against any side, right?
I voted third party, the two parties are materially indifferent when it comes to their support of the working class or their bloodlust for war and supporting genocide.
I don’t give a fuck that trumps gonna be president and I’m a visibly queer woman who’s been perceived and attacked for being “trans” under the Obama admin in a liberal state. I’ve been viciously assaulted for being visibly queer since I was a child in the 90s. The majority of these people don’t scare me. The only ones who actually scare me are the Christian nationalists who wanna turn this country into Christian Iran and the democrats haven’t done a single fucking thing in my entire life to stop them.
You’re a traitor.
Cry about it liberal. Go back to brunch, like you’ve been for the past four years after promising that this time you’re gonna magically push the far right Democratic Party to the left.
I hope you don’t come to regret this, I really do. I’m not from the US but I’m afraid of the consequences this election will have on the whole world.
Why would I regret it? Fascism didn’t just pop up in 2015 when trump announced he was running, fascism has been here since we genocided the natives in our push for westward expansion. Hitler loved our history and wanted to learn from us!
As a visibly queer person I’ve experienced the “fascism” liberals are freaking the fuck out about since I was a child under every single administration.
Glad voting third party accomplished so much. Now we have Trump in office. So much better than Harris! Now the U.S.A definitely won’t turn into a Christian Iran, as you put it. /s
Would love it if third parties were viable, but we have a First Past the Post system, so unless that changes or we implement a tiered voting system starting at local governments and expanding out to a national level, a third party candidate will never be president.
And what have the democrats done in the 35 years I’ve been alive to prevent this? ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING EXCEPT FUNDRAISE AND LOSE.
This level of ignorance and spite is obscene and absolutely terrifying. This person is basically willing to let the whole world burn in the name of preventing a genocide that obviously won’t be prevented but made even worse when the world starts burning. Out of spite.
Absolutely terrifying.
Terrifying is voting for an anti-democratic party to “protect democracy”. Bunch of fucking sheep.
What has the biden admin done for the past four years to “protect democracy” or “prevent fascism”?
Absolutely fucking nothing. Keep voting every four years and then going back to brunch, liberal.
The whole genocide thing is funny because Trump won’t do anything about it either.
The people who chose not to vote for Harris because of it are even bigger idiots than people who voted for Trump.
Translation: “I’m completely ok with a genocide as long as it’s not me being genocided”
Translation: You pissed your vote away and the genocide is happening anyway
Look at biden/Harris, screeching about fascism and trump being the next hitler and then promising a peaceful transition of power.
Liberals are a fucking joke. Back to brunch, coward.
What are you even waffling about.
Biden and Harris have been going on for years now about how trump is a dangerous fascist and the second coming of Hitler. Now they lost the election, they’re promising the peaceful transition of power.
Which is it? Is trump a dangerous fascist who needs to be defeated at all costs or was that just hyperbole to campaign on? Because if I were biden/Harris and I thought trump was the second coming of Hitler I wouldn’t be so easily and peacefully transitioning power.
It’s hard to take the democrats seriously when it ends up being theatre on their end.
Trump won the election, what do you want Biden to do, stage a coup?
Y’all jill stains fanboys are something else.
“If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump ’s extremism and vote for him.” – Historian Robin D.G. Kelley
This tweet assumes people care about OPs opinion, or histories opinion. It’s a toothless threat trying to invoke some Boogeyman of future retribution. Anyone who voted for Trump is going to be doing the Jennifer Lawrence “ok” reaction to this.
I’ve family that voted for Trump. Had plans on spending Thanksgiving there. Told them I’m not coming, and told them why. Explained that I’ll be happy to apologize if the next four years goes well. Otherwise, I’m holding them accountable. I love them, but I will not associate with them.
I’m done with the “they’re family, you have to accept them.” Bullshit.
I warned my wife if her dad makes the mistake of showing his bitch ass face to me again he’s dead, she was smart enough to already know
Fucker already literally threatened my life twice before on top of all the other horrid shit he’s done, and now he knows hes not allowed near his favorite daughter or he’s pig food
Sounds like there’s more there than just voting wrong
And should things turn around and the overwhelming consensus somehow turns against Trump (seems highly unlikely currently), people will just lie about having supported him.
And all the fucking clowns that decided to stay home will still try to claim the moral high ground by claiming they supported neither.
The dnc leadership are the real clowns here. They set up this no-win hostage situation and now the hostages are dead and people want to blame everyone except Biden and Harris for it.
So why bother having you’re own morals and opinions, is what you’re saying.
No thanks.
It is so odd and counterproductive to me to take this position. “Vote how I want or Ill hate you because Im a better person than you.” Yeah, that will really bring those votes in by the millions. Instead of acting like a child why not learn about these peoples’ lives and attempt to understand why they voted the way they did? Why did Democrats lose the male vote, the independent vote, half of Latinos, and all 7 swing states? It is ignorant and lazy to call them all the isms, go and actually learn why you lost.
You have a good point that understanding the voter is a good path to figuring out how to fix this in the future.
We still get to judge them for being awful people, because fooled or not, they effectively are
Dig deep enough in any awful begaviour and you can find causes and explanations, but that doesn’t make every behaviour ok
And Harris voters behavior is equally awful, they overlooked a genocide to vote for her to “prevent fascism” and “protect democracy” meanwhile the democrat party doesn’t participate in democracy or we would of had a real primary.
The only two possible outcomes were
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genocide
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genocide plus fascism and other bad shit
By voting third party, you supported the latter.
Sure, killing the two party system is the long term solution, but this particular election was not the time.
By voting third party I SUPPORTED THE THIRD PARTY.
Fuck outta here with your liberal bullshit. Go be mad at the DNC for royally fucking this up.
You supported genocide AND anti democratic behavior (refusing a primary and forcing their unpopular unelected candidate down our throats then chastising us for voting wrong) and you have the FUCKING NERVE to pretend you give a flying fuck about fascism or democracy? Go back to fucking brunch lib.
Congratulations on pissing your vote away, I guess.
You could have voted for your next door neighbor too and told yourself you were counting against genocide, but you’d be wrong then too.
You didn’t support the third party’s chances of winning because there was no way that was going to ever happen in this election. Elections aren’t about voting for candidates as much as they are voting for outcomes.
The word liberal is not the insult you think it is.
Liberal is definitely an insult. It means having no morals or ethics or inherent beliefs and just voting blue no matter who, no matter who they genocide. It’s pathetic.
How’s chastising voters for voting wrong working out for you? You ready to lose 2028 too?
If you look at the dictionary definition, it means pretty much exactly the opposite of what you said. Also, the D party is not highly aligned with the definition of liberal, so you’re also wrong about it meaning always voting blue.
A third outcome would have been to demand the dems not support it by voting uncommitted and talking about it as an issue the voters cared about. Bide/Harris could have changed their mind at any time, and they decided not to. each voter had 1/400 millionth of the choice that Biden Harris had. Dems should blame them for their choices.
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My plan is to simply avoid ALL contact with MAGAs unless I’m forced to work with them. The same way you would avoid a meth-addled pit bull.
I’m not going to let them think their point of view is “fine” by pretending to be civil to them. It’s not.
Just something that’s worth pointing out is that trumps voter base didn’t change much. Counting is still happening, but so far it’s trump -1 mil and Harris -13 million from last election.
So it’s not so much that republicans voted badly it’s that democrats lost a good chunk of votes (16%) didn’t bother to vote this time.
And while I completely disagree with trumps side, it’s insane, but at least I am happy that people voted. Voter apathy is far more dangerous to me. It’s like saying to politicians, “I don’t care that the nazi party is coming to power”.
To me that’s the biggest issue this election and honestly I don’t understand why so few people cared. It’s actually same story over here (UK), where we had fewer people voting this election than previous one.
Voters in every western country have no idea what policies are being voted on. They vote with their feelings.
There are a lot of enthusiastic people who want to be on team man, team money, team military. The first thing those people learned after their names was that they were BOYS and they would be sorted into the BOYS section, play on BOYS team. Voting Conservative is a natural extension of what they’ve been doing their whole lives.
It’s harder motivating people to get out for team women, team tolerance, team responsibility. It requires a leader with charisma who we fall in love with.
I’m being absolutely serious when I say the Democratic Party should have nominated George Clooney — a famous celebrity figurehead would guarantee they win every presidential election.
It sounds like the Democrats just failed to present themselves as a viable alternative, or really inspire or motivate anyone to vote. Their platform seemed to be largely not being Trump.
Maybe, but it could also be that a large group of people chose not to vote because they thought it would mean something. I swore an oath and was prepared to lay down my life to protect the right of the American people to do just that. Seeing that “my fellow Americans” chose to back fascism, I honestly wish I could take it all back. When my son wanted nothing more than to run and play with his father through his childhood I was hobbling behind him with a cane, at the time I was okay with it because I thought I was protecting HIS rights (which is not the right reason I guess, I’m selfish).
At this point I just have to come to terms with the fact that over half the country is cool with it (every single non-vote was a vote for “I’m fine with whatever y’all want to do”).
Every interview where questions were asked about Kamala’s positions, shed talk about trump. It was not all that different than trump shit talking kamala even.
The DNC and Biden failed us. His legacy will be tainted due to his failure to step aside for the nation. Kamala as a VP was already unpopular the DNC should’ve known they needed to choose someone who at least did well in the primaries or could actually fucking win.
I voted for her but I knew she probably wouldn’t win, they don’t fucking learn and then they blame us.
Even if you didn’t vote for her, but voted either trump, 3rd party or spoilt vote, I respect that you voted. It’s important to vote
Thats the 2020 platform. If you want to be a talking head you’ll need some argument more cogent than that^
When asked about healthcare, they said they had “concepts” of a plan.
Oh wait, no, that was the other guy.
