https://lemmy.ml/post/21672888
3rd party voting hurts trump more than kamala.
3rd party voting is a good thing
Polls are bullshit, quit relying on them.
You’re right, the polls that show Jill Stein having no chance in this election are bullshit. She does have a chance, I’m voting for her
She didn’t win a single EC vote in 2012, or in 2016, let alone anywhere close to the 270 needed. This election isn’t going to be any different.
And if the third party leftist voters voted for Harris and voted in Democratic primaries, we might not be in this mess.
Democrats have primaries?
Oh you sweet summer child.
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You’re actually serious with that borsht Gregor?
I think someone has been drinking too much vodka.
Y’all tried with Kennedy and the brain rot got him from fucking that bear 🐻 or whatever. Now it’s Stein which is so absolutely absurd of a candidate to put up against anyone.
Jill Stein is so bland she couldn’t win against a cardboard cutout of herself. She has zero appeal, zero prowess, zero accolades, zero achievements.
If that’s the best Russian intelligence can do, the Putin régimes’ days are numbered.
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3rd party voting hurts trump more than kamala.
GTFO of here with that Newsweek bullshit.
Newsweek is right/center biased and anything they report is untrustworthy. It’s in Trump’s favor for them to report Stein hurts Trump because ot “confirms” the narrative from FSB intelligence. It’s literally the only play in their book And it’s getting real fuckin old.
Besides, the article was written based on information from a poll that they never gave a source for. How can I confirm they are telling the truth if they don’t provide sources.
Newsweek lacks the journalistic integrity to be used as a reputable source of information.
It’s almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn’t the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.
Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list. If it isn’t for you, maybe you should reflect on that a little
Some people think an administration and a party that out right lies about a genocide happening care about them. If someone in a position of power, not only ignore but also support clear evidence of genocide and keep repeating statement that means nothing, they are either agent for a foreign country “AIPAC” or they are in it for themselves and have zero care for poor people.
Don’t forget CUFI, it’s actually bigger and more powerful than AIPAC but doesn’t get as much attention. Christian Zionists are insane psychopaths hell bent on destroying the world (literally)
- North Korea
- Myanmar
- Bangladesh and India
- China
- Hamas and Israel
- Ethiopia
- Democratic Republic of Congo
Or is it only what Israel is doing, and only your concern because you can use it as propaganda to tweak the 2024 presidential election in the US?
Who is North Korea even meant to be genociding?
I’m gonna venture a guess that the US could more easily stop Israel’s genocide than any of the others on the list. Like your source’s recommendation for how to address whatever’s allegedly happening in North Korea is to go in and overthrow the government, like we did in Iraq. Seems just a little bit harder than making arms shipments conditional.
Their own citizens, I’d assume
I’d ask whether there’s even a shred of evidence that North Koreans are genociding themselves, but I’m not sure if this is another one of those situations where examining evidence is a bannable offense.
The US is actively, ongoing, and directly funding and supporting the genocide of the Palestinians
The one that is made possible by my tax dollars
So definitely China, then, because it’s super impossible for you to avoid products made there and exported to the US.
And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren’t going, amirite?
And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren’t going, amirite?
Isn’t that what you’re saying? Except for all of them including Palestinians?
Getting back to the point, why aren’t you raging about Chinese genocide?
Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list.
I’ll ask again: Which one(s)?
The one my government is aiding and defending regularly
Ukraine, actually.
Ongoing genocide isn’t at the top of drag’s priority list. The top of drag’s list is the imminent omnicide due to climate change. Drag thinks omnicide is a bigger deal than genocide.
But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I’d much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.
You forgot to smugly pat yourself on the back!
Nuh uh!
OmG It"s Sooo HarD To ApplY The UN CONvenTioN.
The genociders are hiding behind nuance and “it’s complicated” to explain how they are supporting war crime. Biden and Harris broke the law (international and domestic) by sending weapons to genociders. It’s nothing complicated.
I’m pretty sure the people in Beyruth getting bombed with chemical weapons find the situation quite easy to understand.
It’s a genocide not a “conflict.” An ongoing genocide is the number one thing I will care about and you don’t get to decide I shouldn’t care about it
So you’re gonna make sure that the guy who told Netanyahu “Do what you need to do” doesn’t get into office, right?
Just making sure you call it what it is, it’s not a conflict, it’s a genocide
And here we have the racist argument saying that brown people cant behave anyway. The middle east always had been a shithole, right?
Classic tactic of accusing your opponent of what you’re doing.
What on Earth are you trying to say?
“Some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” is exactly your stance with Palestinians.
By arguing against the candidate who has told Israel to do whatever it wants and accused Dems of not supporting Israel hard enough?
That is an, uhhhh, interesting take.
By supporting someone who has their blood on their hands and is fully supportive of the ongoing genocide. Pretty cold take, actually.
And the alternative is more dead Palestineans.
Believe it or not, the world is not as you wish it to be, it just is. And it’s for us to do as best we can for others given the real world constraints.
As there are two options and one is worse for Palestineans, I support the one that is better for them.
It’s not super complicated.
You have to support 99% Hitler who wants to hand out cookies before committing mass slaughter because if you don’t you’re supporting 100% Hitler and no cookies, which would make one a monster.
There are actually more options beyond those, if people would take them. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy to say that other options aren’t viable. It’s better to try to fight against that than to be complicit in supporting it. If it’s impossible, then it would be better to boycott the system altogether. Under no circumstances is supporting genocide morally justified.
What other options are there in a FPTP system?
Helping trump IS supporting genocide.
Dude Trump is lying. How do you not get that? Biden and Harris have done everything they can for Israel. It’s in Trump’s favor to lie about that and make it seem like he can do more, but he really can’t. We’re giving them money, weapons, and now even soldiers as fast as we can.
Lol, is your position literally “America couldn’t possibly give more weapons to Israel!” ?
It doesn’t matter. They’re already covering for them as much as they can and they can only give so much. They’re already vetoing for them at the UN, sending cops and SWAT at students, and demonizing them in the press. They’ve denied them speaking times at the DNC, only talked about Israel in interviews, and Biden has already said no one has supported Israel more than me. This is the Democrats btw.
It’s adorable and worrying that you think that’s as bad as you think America could make things for the Middle East.
“Oh no! The Dems didn’t let Palestineans speak at the DNC! Clearly, there’s no way trump could cook up anything worse than that!”
Yeah, because that worked out so well when in 2016 when Trump got elected, the GOP got multiple Supreme Court picks, multiple federal judges were given life terms, and Roe vs Wade got struck down. Let’s see how that plays out when Ukraine falls, war breaks out in Europe, America becomes a theocratic dictatorship, and what little progress we may have seen with the environment completely falls apart and the world goes full tilt towards becoming an uninhabitable hellscape. Whatever the protest was about will be utterly meaningless.
If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office, not after you get the opposition elected. Trump gets in, then suddenly he’ll give you plenty to protest about, vs protesting when Harris is in office and she actually has a willingness to listen to protests and meet their demands.
Yeah but those people helping Trump get elected are the Dems pretending genocide is fine. Say what you want about lesser evil but it really isn’t the smartest political move to alienate voters who think genocide is bad. The messaging of “if you draw the line at genocide then you’re the problem” and blaming voters for not vibing with that instead of, for example, dropping support for Israel and stopping the genocide is just straight up terrible politics. You should be mad at Dems for royally fucking the campaign up instead at people for not buying into this bullshit. Did you also support Biden remaining as candidate after the debate, despite atrocious polling data?
I do get that there is foreign interference going on, but seriously if you were attempting to sway anyone towards the Dems by shaming people for being against genocide - the obviously weakest point of Dems campaign - then in my eyes you’re most likely the Russian bot trying to remind people that Dems are terrible. And if you aren’t and you actually tried to convice anyone with this argument, then shut the fuck up until the elections are over, if anything you’re costing Kamala votes.
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somehundreds of thousands of youmaywill die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” is exactly what vote blue no matter who people are saying to arab americans who are uncomitted votersAnd if Trump is elected, ALL of them will die if he gets his way and he admitted as much.
It’s too late in the game to bother educating you on this, but it’s never too late to call out your bullshit.
I will say- it’s very telling how the closer we get to the election, the more .ml accounts are showing up to “nuh-uhhhh! everthing.
You guys must have recently received your marching orders and are working that shit!
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More will die under Trump than Harris.
Anyone who is against Israel’s genocide is not voting for Trump.
Anyone who is against Israel’s genocide is not voting for Trump.
What’s your point?
That your statement seems disingenuous in this context because only a vote for Trump helps him win. No one’s vote is owed to any candidate. If people want to vote for a third party that better represents their values (or no candidate - even though I disagree with this position), they should be allowed to do so without active or passive false blame being slung at them that they are somehow enabling the very genocide that they are against.
That your statement seems disingenuous in this context because only a vote for Trump helps him win.
Not really. This is almost verbatim the trolly problem. And people who are voting 3rd party are in essence standing by and doing nothing as the trolly runs over more people than it otherwise would. You have the power to help prevent harm and you’re doing effectively nothing. You share culpability with Trump voters for that.
No one’s vote is owed to any candidate.
I never said otherwise.
If people want to vote for a third party that better represents their values (or no candidate - even though I disagree with this position), they should be allowed to do so without active or passive false blame being slung at them that they are somehow enabling the very genocide that they are against.
If people want to vote for a third party, they should do so in a system where 3rd parties are actually viable, and can be chosen without ceding power to your ideologically furthest opponents. We don’t live in that system. We have to reduce harm where we can, and 3rd party isn’t going to do that, at best it will just split the vote, and cede power to the guy who wants to see Gaza turned to nuclear glass.
Dude. Trump is already complaining that we are supporting Israel enough. You think he’s magically going to change his mind and pull the plug on supporting them once he’s in office? Fuckin delulu
You think Harris is going to magically change her mind when she’s the one doing the current genocide? Trump lies btw. Like all the time. It’s in his interest to make it seem like Biden isn’t helping Israel enough because the Republican party has more fervent Zionists but he’s easily been the most pro-Israel President in history.
I don’t think either will drastically change. That’s the point. Trump will give more support to Israel, and Harris will continue similar to other presidents and give them middling support.
You seem to be under the impression that I like Harris. So let me be perfectly clear, I do not like any of the candidates. But it’s still important to put effort into electing the one that will do the least damage overall and Harris will certainly do less damage and even has the potential to do SOME good. Trump will only do damage, and more of it, and certainly more irrevocable damage. Especially when most of his groupies are all signed on to and pushing project 2025.
This isn’t only about Israeli support. But even if it was Trump will give them everything they want.
I know it’s not about Palestine, but that’s exactly why this meme is ironic. Rather than joining with their fellow Palestinian-Americans and their allies to pressure Harris, Democrats are going the other way and demanding undying loyalty and no criticism or protest. They’re basically sacrificing them for their own pet issues. It’s kinda funny actually.
It’s not really a factor for my voting preference, as Israel is a proxy-nation of the US. If Kamala wins, Gazans die. If Trump wins, MORE Gazans die. We’re not getting the heat for it, Israel is. So meh. I don’t value human life much anyways. We’re all still violent apes who do what we want, and when there are rules against it, we break them and use violence anyhow. At this point, I’m kind of numb to it. I’ll protect those close to me, everyone not close to me idgaf. If it starts affecting me or my own, I’ll start caring.
Until then, shoot me some more memes.
To each their own but I think this is fucking abhorrent and almost textbook sociopathy.
almost textbook sociopathy
I guarantee you have no fucking clue what the word even means in a medical context; because I’ve not given you enough information in the slightest to be even close to making that kind of diagnosis.
The word you’re looking for is misanthrope.
Expert in geo politics AND psychology. We gots ourselves a real one here.
This guy thinks we need to be an EXPERT to be able to judge clearly visible patterns, WOO boy. Wait 'till I tell you about the color of the sky!
Ah. Done his own research, I see.
Well, that about wraps ‘er up, dunnit.
That’s it, shows over folks.
Edgelord is the word.
Oh I like it. I don’t mind being a lord. Let’s gooo.
Sociopaths can develop attachments to those close to them, usually based more on personal benefit/gain but they sometimes confuse this with genuine emotional attachment.
Though yes, I’m not making an actual medical diagnosis.
I have no horse in this race, I just wanted to stop by and say sociopathy is not a diagnosis. You’re looking for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Laypeople poorly use those terms trying to differentiate someone’s disregard for right and wrong from someone else’s.
Now that I’ve come in here and unloaded my nerd-ass “Umm actually” bullshit, I’ll let you get back to talking shit about willful idiots.
Neat, good to know the real term.
Admittedly, as I an a lay person, using a commonly understood term in a social context does seem more productive/efficient than using the proper medical term, then explaining it.
It’s sort of like how we say people will vote for Harris or trump when in actuality they are voting for electors, but everyone (well, except for a worrying number of Republican crazies and a disgraced former president) understands them to be the same thing.
That’s fair! It’s just one of my favorite ones to chime in with. No offense was meant
Some taken at first, none now. Especially as I imagine you see that incorrect application thrown across the internet with reckless abandon!
Sociopathy was absolutely a diagnosis until the DSM decided to fuck up a whole host of mental issues by combining them all into one vague term.
I hope your loved one gets bombed with white phosphorus lmao. I hope you smell the flagrance of their burning smell while they scream for their life. Then I hope your children gets drafted and butchered.
Death to the yank
A large portion of the people you’re referring to are Arab Americans. In fact, Trump is now leading with them. I also think Trump would be worse for Palestinians than Harris, but I doubt the best way to convince Arab Americans of that is with condescending memes about how they don’t care about the Middle East.
You get what you deserve. I’m done with all of this.
The point of the meme isn’t to convince anyone, the point is to yell at people you hate and tell yourself you’re so much better than them. Any claim of “activism” and “raising awareness” is transparently false.
Everyone else is a villain huh? I’m petty sure the author thinks their view should be self-evident and doesn’t understand why do many people here seem to take actions the author would never consider.
I therefore think the point of the meme is to bring some levity into what would otherwise be helpless frustration.
Have some empathy. Don’t think everyone is bitter and miserable.
If we’re going to preach empathy, maybe we should start by trying to understand the people who are watching their homeland get bombed into rubble with the support of both major parties, not the people sharing snide memes.
Do you only have the capacity to empathize with a limited amount of people owe day or how an I to understand your comment?
Take it as this; when one person says, “you should be less harsh on these people, many of them are seeing their homeland destroyed,” and another replies, “they don’t care, they just want to lash out at them to make themselves feel better,” if you jump in to defend the latter group, it gives the impression that you have more sympathy for the latter group than the former.
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So pandering to idiots is bad when democrats veer to the center to get centrist votes, but it’s good when Harris takes a stand on Gaza?
Hot take: morons are morons. Left and right. Fuck em.
Arabs americans are morons, you racist fuck?
If they vote for Trump, overwhelmingly yes.
The numbers according to the Newsweek article show about 45% Trump, 43% Harris, 4% Stein, 6% undecided, and 2% refused to say (not sure why the Libertarian candidate wasn’t included, as he’s on the ballot in 47 states). It seems most Arab Americans don’t want to vote for Trump, but even more don’t want to vote for Harris.
I would argue that Harris is the better vote for people who support Gaza, but I’m not going to tell the Palestinian Americans who won’t support her that what they’re doing is a, “protest vote,” or imply they’re indifferent to the carnage in Gaza. The privileged position is the one where you get to make a cool, detached argument for harm reduction, not the one where you have to choose between which candidate will fund the ethnic cleansing of your homeland.
The average yank and his casual xenophobia. You are not better than a trump voter lmao you all sucks
In a couple of months I will be there to remind you you’re a genoiciding yank.
I mean, her poll numbers are dropping as she goes to the center, so yes, apparently.
I don’t think any serious analysts are suggesting that stronger support of Gaza would help her. If you know of any, I’d love to read about them.
Representatives Ayanna Pressley, Summer Lee, Ilhan Omar, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Chuy Garcia, as well Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, Chicago Mayor Brandon, Johnson, the United Auto Workers and J Street have all warned her that she needs to be more supportive of the Palestinian community. No one is saying she would win if she denounced Israel, but many people were warning her that she had to do something to show Palestinians that she gave a shit about them, like have a Palestinian speaker at the DNC or meet with Uncommitted leaders. She refused to do any of those things, and now the Uncommitted movement has declined to endorsed her, Muslim Women for Harris has disbanded, and she’s two points behind Trump with Arab Americans. I don’t think any serious analysts are saying her position on Gaza is helping her.
None of those are analysts lol
LOL, yeah, man, it’s just dozens of Democratic politicians, a union, and a lobbying firm. It’s not real until some chud with a Poli Sci degree says it on MSNBC.
I mean… You say all that as if it’s supposed to be ridiculous. I specifically asked for a non biased professional opinion.
OF COURSE Trump supporters are selfish and dumb. That’s what makes them great dupes for evil forces. Trump himself knew this, as he’s famously said.
Someone else summed it up almost a century ago: “It works the same in every country.”
Trump is Netanyahu’s favorite candidate. The disrespect to Biden/Blinken ceasefire/restraint timidness is done to make Dems look bad. Blinken is a worthless POS who may not have any serious intent to stop genocide. Both Harris and Bernie, by repeating Israel’s right to defend itself, are essentially ok with all Israeli evil, and the unlimited unconditional free weapon support, despite some occasional reserved statements to the contrary. Trump will just use unconditional support for a war on Iran as a means to ethnically cleanse Muslims from the USA.
The “everyone is a Russian Troll” is worse than dead internet theory. Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war. Whether or not he is paid by Russia, ordinary Americans who think diminishing Russia enriches them are victims of disinformation and emotional media manipulation that makes them think support for diminishing Russia/Putin means they care more about Russian prosperity than Russian leadership, and keeping Ukraine nazified on a path to NATO is somehow “liberal”. US empire has never before reached this level of evil and recklessness. The popular normalization of this evil is a certain contributor to US decline and imminent collapse.
Actual Russian operatives from foreign ministry would see Iran as an ally, though the massive forced Russian military production increase from Ukraine proxy war on it, means massive opportunity to assist Iran in a conflict if Ukraine gets resolved. It also means ultra high oil prices/profits. A war on Iran would still be US empire emboldened. All elected political leaders in November will take loyalty oaths to Israel, and there is no indication that Harris would stop such a war, or not involve US troops. It is just more certain that Trump would.
Lol, “keeping Ukraine nazified”
How much of this was a copypasta from something vaguely related?
It’s very scattershot.
A likely end to the war will be Russia keeps the liberated territory, and Ukraine agrees to stay neutral. Ukraine and US will claim victory by not denazifying its rulership. (the only other Russian condition for war starting and continuing)
Lolol.
So, are you paid by the post or the word?
Not to give y’all tips but who in their right mind believes this nazified leadership bullshit?
For a one day old account, it’s very . . . directed.
Ukraine has a lower percentage of Nazis than most countries, including russia, which has one of the higher percentages
I really don’t think so.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
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History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IVCool. Now do Russia.
Unlike Ukraine, Russia doesn’t have an ~80 year long unbroken chain of Nazism. Fascist factions do exist, but they’re nothing like the scale in western Ukraine.
It’s funny how you Russian apologists have all these chronologically sequenced copy-pasta lists of everyone else’s shortcomings, yet when your feet are held to the fire to explain the bullshit Russia does, you have nothing but excuses.
It’s nearly as predictable as a Moscow window suicide.
If you want to call a few fascist gusanos in exile from the Warsaw Pact for 70 years an “unbroken chain,” I can’t stop you.
You won’t be able to stop Putin from sending you to the front line when he runs low on soldiers🤣
I made a comment comparing the number of Nazis in Ukraine to other countries and you responded with a bunch of articles about Ukraine. Where are the comparisons that demonstrate I’m wrong?
Literal Nazis (rabid anti communist as populism) ruling Ukraine/a nation is the difference with ultra conservative racists that beat up minorities outside of a bar. Apart from the absurd “Zelensky or Trump’s daughter is jewish” and is incapable of having nazi allies or overlords, or “in a multi party election the official nazi party only got 2% of vote (low percentage just means voters strategically picked a candidate that had better chance of winning)” doesn’t change the US handpicked rulers/cabinet and other elected politicians passing the above linked nazi/apartheid laws in Ukraine.
You made made no actual comparisons, you simply stated it to be so. I can’t say that I have a handy chart of fascists-per-capita per country. But I do know that up until early 2022, Western corporate media wasn’t shy about how large and serious the fascist problem was in Ukraine in particular. And then they magically vanished, because it all suddenly became a very inconvenient truth.
This is a copypasta, right? I could swear I’ve seen the exact sentence “Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war” before. And also, please, you have to be joking right now.
Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war
I’m unaware of having used the exact sentence before. The complete absolute madness of wanting a war on Russia or anyone else is what requires propaganda of constant demonization, and the absolute non factual replies “reality is Russian propaganda” shutdown replies that somehow seem convicing in the minds making them. The US empire is pure evil and 100% responsible for Ukraine war. That Trump might launch wars other than Iran is 50/50. Maybe a hotel deal or two will cause peace with China. Biden/Blinken were absolutely terrible on China. “Delete America” is their forced reaction.
Idk fam, maybe Putin has nonzero responsibility here and could simply have not invaded Ukraine in a war of Russian territorial expansion
That Russia is not in a defensive war on the exact same terms as JFK’s red lines to not invade Cuba, or NATO’s humanitarian intervention in Yugoslavia is pure absolute disinformation. Russia successfully achieved a peaceful plan to resolve Ukrainian nazi problem that west also signed in the Minsk accords. In the last democratic election in Ukraine, Zelensky promised to implement Minsk.
That Ukraine is a US puppet since 2014, that Biden/Stoltenberg refused to talk to Russia before or after war started, and boasted that they were able to colonize Sweden and Finland as a result of their warmongering, that nazi paramilitary attacks on Donbas increased as Russia amassed troops to defend their completely reasonable (as per Cuba missile crisis) red lines, and that US sent vassal minion to Kyiv to dissuade Zelensky of the peace deal he made with Russia, is overwhelming proof that a US empire under total subservience to a weapons and oil oligarchy, and Zionist/Neocon warmongering political control that involves Israel loyalty oaths, and an AIPAC “supervisor” for all politicians wants this war to the last Ukrainian. You cannot blame Russia/Putin for the pure disrespect of the US opportunity to use Ukrainian nazis to conscript and silence their population into suicidal provocation of war.
That Russia, a fascist state, is invading Ukraine in order to denazify it rather than to outright annex it in whole or in part is fucking delusional. You and I operate within entirely different realities and we have nothing further to discuss.
The primary purpose is to ensure neutrality/no nato membership. Ukraine can probably negotiate peace on just those terms and claim victory for remaining nazified.
“Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community.”
“Wow people who disagree with us really are fucking dumb ahah”
The amount of people who rationalize arming a genocide is “ok” if a black lady does it, is more than alarming to me.
I’m not saying “don’t vote for her”, but if liberals wouldn’t try to sweep it under the carpet, and shit post memes to bully progressives/leftists - they might have better odds.
The amount of people who rationalize arming a genocide is “ok” if a black lady does it, is more than alarming to me.
Literally no one is saying this.
You ALL are saying that. Literally. You guys are gonna vote for genocide. That is the message you are going to send to the rest of the world. Thus, americans are enemies of civilization.
If you were American at this moment, how would you better serve the Palestinean cause?
Suicide.
Except Kamala. She’s justifying the genocide on her campaign trail. She has said outright that she would not stop arms shipments.
She is also the acting VP and can’t really dissociate herself from the current position. She has also talked much more about ending the conflict, about Israel crossing lines and has signalled as hard as ahe can that things would be different, e.g., snubbing Bibi and not meeting him when he came to America (which drove conservatives apoplectic.)
That is what she will say to the judge in her trial for extermination.
HARRIS: “I know we did authorize those bomb to be sold knowing full well they were used on civilians, but we TALKED about not doing it very hard, your honor”
And your alternative is helping trump to do worse?
The reality is she is going to continue arming Israel until Israel illegally settles all of Gaza. You cannot tell me that her 60 minutes response inspired any amount of confidence on a ceasefire. She totally ignored all of the reports about US arms being used on refugee camps and jumped straight to a single attack against a retaliatory strike towards Israel and reiterated her belief that the US is inextricably linked to Israel. She reiterated the nonsense that Israel has a right to defend itself against the peoples they have oppressed, subjugated, and genocided.
And trump has encouraged Israel to accelerate their efforts.
No one rational is accepting or attracted to harris’stance on Israel. We’re attracted to the idea that it will be worse under trump, with a massive dose of acceleration, bald faced racism including the likely mass deportation of Muslim refugees, and global chaos due to his being 1. Incompetent and insecure 2. A likely unwitting agent of global enemies like Putin.
After all Gaza concepts are discussed and balanced, trump will also materially endanger minority and at risk groups in the US due to blatant policy, stochastic terrorism emitted from the oval office itself, and the appointment of corrupt conservative federal judges that will hold back progressive progress for decades to come. Again, this is important, but not more important than people dying in Gaza. But an American voter should certainly care about America TOO.
For these reasons a vote for Harris is effective but unsavory harm reduction, as at least during a Harris presidency advocacy and progress is even remotely possible, or even legal. Trump has made clear his interest in punishing those who are not aligned with his world, and that’s nearly everyone on the planet.
The fact she happens to be running against a fascist should not let her off the hook from her legal responsiblity. They did authorize bombs to be sold knowing full well they are used against civilians, which is not only deeply disturbing, but illegal per american and international laws.
The reality is she is going to continue arming Israel until Israel illegally settles all of Gaza.
Oh awesome I was looking for one of you people. So - who’s gonna win the World Series? I really need this, my bookie’s already told me he’s gonna cut me off and I don’t like the sound of that!
“How dare you protest!!!”
Literally all Kamala has to do is announce a plan to stop war crimes and gain these votes back. The fact she won’t is on her, not on the people concerned over Gaza.
By the way, I don’t support Trump, I don’t think you should vote for Trump, but if you want to protest by supporting third parties until Kamala changes her policy you have my full support
It really depends on which state you live in whether or not you have the luxury of a protest vote. If you live in NY state that has a 20% lead for Harris, sure, some people can vote Jill Stein or something. But if you live in a state that actually might be close or not an obvious blowout, you can’t vote that way. You actually have to be tactical with your vote, not idealistic or symbolic.
Even if you’re in a solidly blue state, don’t fuck around with your vote.
You fuck around, and we all find out.
Back in 2000 I traded my vote for Nader in a swing state with someone in a solidly blue state. We should do that now.
Kinda like a tactical wee?
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LOL, what rhetoric? I’m generally of the opinion that voting is an end in itself in democracies, and wish we had mandatory/compulsory voting laws. If you live in a democracy there should be obligation to vote, and the citizens should feel confident that we are accounting for the will of the people. But with the electoral college and first past the post system, there are realities of outcomes. There are really only 2 possible outcomes of a presidential race. And if you live in a swing state your vote does a lot more to tip realize one of those 2 outcomes. So the motivation to vote should be to help achieve one of those 2 outcomes that you find more preferable. If you live in a state that is not even close, that is when you don’t have to worry much about your vote impacting the outcome and therefore have more latitude. I’ve voted 3rd party in multiple elections, but I did so in good conscious knowing I wasn’t impacting the outcome of actual leadership due to the area I vote in. In pure rational choice model, sure, your individual vote likely won’t matter (how often is a race decided by 1 vote?), but if the level of effort to vote is low, might as well do it just in case and for a sense of moral civic duty to a democracy.
you don’t get to tell other people how to vote, and if you try to, they’re going to think you’re a raving lunatic
Umm…that’s the entire way we select leaders. The entire campaign for any office, high or low, is telling people how to vote. That’s literally democracy in action.
And it is not wrong to tell people that if they want third party candidates, the path to do so is to start with voting reform. I’m in Oregon, and we’re actually making progress on this instead of just bitching about it or running spoiler third party candidates. We have ranked-choice voting on the ballot this year. If it passes, all our state and federal elections will be decided by ranked-choice voting. We’ll actually make it viable for progressive third party candidates to run for our US House and Senate seats without just serving as a spoiler for Republicans. We’re actually doing something about the two party duopoly.
But you never hear these anti-Kamala trolls suggesting doing something that would actually make a difference. They show up every election, and their platform is ALWAYS “don’t vote for the democrat.” Doesn’t matter what election. Doesn’t matter what year. They always find some reason that you shouldn’t vote for the Democratic candidate. Their criticisms always attack the Democratic candidate and ignore the Republican.
They’re clowns and trolls. Nothing more. They bitch about the two-party duopoly, but they don’t actually want to do anything. The truth is they’re actually just Republican trolls.
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Everyone who doesn’t support a corporatist duopoly is lazy, dumb, and/or working for the geopolitical rival to my dominant hegemonic country!
One can only wonder why you have not convinced more people with your message and Harris is now losing.
