So this is probably a plan to call out Elon musk’s stupid “pay to sign a petition” plan. Basically just buying votes. The more attention these schemes get, the more likely they will be made officially illegal.
Sort of a Satanic Temple maneuver. I like it.
Isn’t that like buying votes?
Nope. They aren’t telling you you must vote for Harris. There is no call to action to vote.
“America’s bluest non voters” and “tweet Donald trump is…”. Looks like they are only paying if you agree with their politics. That is buying votes. Offering it to all non voters is one thing but the other requirements make it shady. Just as bad as Elon Musk “sign a petition”. neither should be permitted.
That’s the point. Draw attention to the illegal shit Musk is doing so that maybe the one remaining judge in the US who wants to uphold the Constitution might do something about it.
You’ve got a point, if Elon did this for the right people would be screaming corruption, paying people only if they agree to vote the way you want them to is shady as fuck regardless of which side is doing it
I’m probably just joining you in getting dogpiled here but oh well
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, because Elon actually is doing that.
In both these cases, the payment technically isn’t directly for voting for a specific candidate. The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with. Either way, still smells bad.
I’m not being sarcastic, and I don’t follow American politics that closely so I didn’t know about this. I also don’t see why people think the right response to that is to just do the same thing though
But… he is doing it?
They know
Everyone is posting about getting paid for their apology. I did my part by getting a pack, and I want to post, too. What should I post?
You should post:
How is this not illegal??? Cards Against Humanity is PAYING people who didn’t vote in 2020 to apologize, make a voting plan, and post #DonaldTrumpIsAHumanToilet—up to $100 for blue-leaning people in swing states. I helped by getting a 2024 Election Pack: www.Apologize.lol
No more so that Elon
Funny but it has to be illegal right?
They’re paying you to swallow your pride, make a tweet, and a plan to vote. They’re not paying you to vote.
paying for apology, making a plan of voting, and a tweet?
They have a pretty fun FAQ on the campaign site explaining the legality of it.
Ok that was both funny and depressing in equal measures.
Its also coming after elon started tweeting that he would pay people $47 for registering swing state voters in support of trump.
it is not and this is where we are at.
Can they target the electoral college since they’re the ones that overturned the popular vote in the first place???
I know this is a response to musk’s bullshit, but this makes it sound like trump won the popular vote in 2016. He did not.
Is Kamala that unpopular that you have to pay people to vote. This is Hilary all over again. And yes I know it’s response to Musk but this wouldn’t have been necessary with Obama.
It’s necessary because of all the money the other side has pumped in to getting morons to vote for a moron.
If we want that to stop, I think using the same tactics while pointing out how it shouldn’t even be allowed is a pretty good strategy.
Read through their statement https://www.apologize.lol/
Seems a bit patronizing to imply non-voters exist because of republican propaganda and not apathy caused by generations of being fucked over by politicians on both sides.
I’m not saying don’t vote, or don’t vote blue, but don’t expect non-voters to give a fuck about what you have to say when you dismiss their concerns and imply they aren’t voting because republicans tricked them.
It’s absolutely patronizing, but it’s honest about its intentions.
They don’t need to stop. What they should do is adopt progressive policies that will excite the base. Number #1 would be stopping all arms sales to Israel.
You egg. A far left candidate would lose to Trump so hard that the climate would be forced to turn into magma without any more help. Elections are about choosing the better of two options. Nobody us going to put up a candidate you agree with on everything: no such candidate exists.
Jesus Christ, this guy is going for Gold in the 1500 meter Moving Goalposts Sprint.
I’m just trying to help. You’re the one desperately buying votes.
I’m just trying to help.
To clarify: in what way are you trying to help?
Providing advise that will work. Anyway y’all ain’t gonna listen so hail Trump I guess.
I’ve only heard you JAQing off. What’s your ‘advise’ [sic]?
SAY ISRAEL ONE MO TIME MF.samueljackson
I meant to say Chalk Zone, because it doesn’t exisit.
The 2 party system forces politicians to do 1 of 2 things:
- Lie to and manipulate uneducated voters into thinking they’re the best option.
- Only enact middle of the road policies everyone likes to get voters in the middle to swing the vote in their favor.
Our two party system is too entrenched to ever pass laws to remove itself, thus this will always be how politics works in the US. We should all be focused on some form of multiple choice voting like ranked choice if we ever want something different than the above, but I see no reality where the dems and gop come together and dilute their own power by making this a reality.
Oh this again.
K the Israel thing isn’t going to happen. It’s fucked up, I know.
Anyway, that’s not what we were talking about. We were talking about money influencing politics. That’s what needs to stop.
You’re only flippant about Israel because you’re confident Harris will win. I’m going to laugh at all the liberals if Trump wins a second time because you didn’t take the concerns of the youth vote seriously and thought you could appeal to enough moderate Republicans.
People who give a shit about Palestine (and I find it weird you never actually used the word Palestine) will not take the course of action that will make things significantly worse for the people in Palestine.
The people who do nothing about a situation are still better than the people who want to make it so much worse.
How is not voting for the perpetuators of genocide “taking the course of action that will male things significantly worse”.
Do you understand what genocide is? It really doesn’t get any worse.
The current American government is not actively involved in the bombing and is at least paying lip service to “this is bad and should stop”.
Trump is on record saying they should carpet bomb the whole area and be done with it.
Not a great game, legendary company!
I can’t buy the card pack from Canada 😡 I wanna help
I live in texas. Send me a venmo link. Ill buy the cards through their portal, ship them to you, and match your contribution to elevatedaccess.org to provide funding to individuals in need of abortion transportation and gender affirming care. I already fly for them. This is the least i can do. Lets go.
Thank you for being a good human being!
No easy way to send money over the border. No venmo, and our ‘interac Etransfer’ doesn’t work for American banks :/
I got a buddy in California who’s gonna buy it and ship it to me
How great is etransfer, though? Venmo seems like total trash from what I’ve seen of it.
It’s offered as a free service through our major banks.
No fees for transfers up to 5k (I think?). Nearly instant transfers. Pretty hassle free
Yeah, i love it and use it often. I may not have expressed that rhetorical thought well!
It was early for me lol. Missed it completely
PayPal isn’t great but it’s a relatively easy way to send money and very common.
There’s also Wise, and various other smaller apps.
I did not know that. Til.
The offer still stands, through alternative means apparently.
Canadians don’t have Venmo either 🙃
🤦♂️
Legend
If only I lived in a swing state. Then my vote could have meaning and I could get paid for it.
Must be great to live in one of the seven states that’s allowed to decide our election thanks to the electoral college.
Yeah, swing states are where it’s at. From Nate Silver’s forecast, the states most likely to tip the election (as of today, Oct 9).
I live in the Philly suburbs and it’s disturbing how many Trump signs I see in my area. I really really fucking hope he doesn’t win this state.
it’s up to you guys stop stop your neighbors from voting (as well as cast your own ballots). i would use any tool in the bag. this could be the end of the world if he wins. i don’t feel like that’s an exaggeration.
I’ve already mailed in my ballot. Not sure what you’re suggesting in terms of stopping my neighbors from voting but that sounds highly illegal.
Yes, so you vote this year, get others to vote, and then spend the next 4 years working to overturn the electoral college and get ranked choice voting implemented. If you truly care, that’s where you’ll direct that passion.
Stay focused.
State and local elections still matter outside of the electoral college!
I’m aware. I already participate in those.
Doesn’t change the fact that my vote regarding the highest office in the country is a pointless effort.
I mean, you can vote and still get paid; I don’t live in a swing state but I got a whopping $0.17 for my efforts! It’s moreso about getting a voting plan together.
I love how we’ve managed to come full circle. In the early 1900s buying votes was open and totally normalized.
Obviously it’s fucked that Musk started this, and while it’s pretty rad to see CAH surpass his dumb ass, this isn’t going to be the end of it. This is just the genie getting loose.
This isn’t buying votes. They’re paying you to apologize, make a tweet, and make a plan to vote.
There’s a fun bit on the official website where they tell you how to get Musk to pay them $47.
cards should be working as dem strategists
https://petition.theamericapac.org/
For those curious.
What’s the legal reasoning behind it?
I think it’s because Musk is offering money to people who get other people to sign up and pledge to vote Trump.
It doesn’t say anything about voting voting Trump, just blindly saying you support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Like I will gladly and openly say I completely agree with that, but there’s not the slightest chance in hell I’m voting for Trump.
Cards Against Humanity however is very carefully threading the needle around committing election fraud. They’re paying you to make a plan to vote, but not based on whether or not you actually follow that plan and vote. The latter is very explicitly turnout buying, what CAH is doing is possibly just far enough away to be legal. I’d be shocked if no one uses them over it though as close as it is.
CAH is also clearly saying “what we are doing is fucked up and shouldn’t be legal.” They are bringing attention to the fact that this shouldn’t be legal to encourage laws to be updated.
I’m not a lawyer so I have no idea. I was just providing the link from the image.
Federal law prohibits anyone from knowingly or willfully paying or offering to pay or accepting payment for registering to vote or voting (42 USC § 1973i©). It applies to primaries and elections that have candidates on the ballot for the office of president, vice president, presidential elector, or member of Congress, whether or not the violation alleges payment related to a candidate for one of those particular offices. It includes criminal penalties for violations. - https://www.cga.ct.gov/2001/rpt/2001-R-0132.htm
It sucks when Elon does this shit just as much as when someone does it for your team, guys.
They’re not paying you to vote, they’re paying for you to apologize. I’m sure they have sufficient legal backing.
The CAH folks have pretty good lawyers. Judging purely on the fact that they formed a Super PAC, they likely have good legal cover.
I found this pretty interesting:
How do you know who didn’t vote? We formed a Super PAC and bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet. It’s pretty fucked up.
And later on:
How do you know who’s “blue leaning”? We got your partisan lean from the same data broker who sold us your voting history. You wouldn’t believe how easy it was for us to get this stuff. So fucked up!
If they are basing this on which primary you vote in, it’s going to be terrible since people like me who live in a swing state vote in the Republican primary since that’s a more effective use of my vote than the Democratic primary.
They couldn’t find me at all :(
I question the accuracy of their political lean assessment. I’m blazingly progressive and it has me down as “purple”. Bitch, I’m a socialist.
I dont doubt that they have good lawyers but the law doesn’t just have penalties for the people paying out, it also has penalties for accepting it. Even if they were offering free legal services to people who participate it still wouldn’t be worth it.
Hm, the tweet says they need to make a voting plan, not that they need to show that they’ve officially registered or voted. Loophole?
Try giving that loophole explanation to a Trump appointed judge and see how far that gets you. Do not risk federal charges for this stupid shit.
Trump appointed judges should just be ignored then.
Try giving that loophole explanation to any reasonable and professional judge and see how far that gets you.
Flip the sides and I would be surprised if a Trump appointed judge didnt accept some kind of bullshit loophole like this.
I love CAH as much as the next degen but this feels iffy at best. But also they presumable ran this passed at least one lawyer who said ‘fuck it lets ball’ so maybe there is a leg to stand on here.
I really do not think its worth gambling with federal charges over (up to*)$100, but if you’re willing to risk it by all means, submit to their public shaming for a pittance, or implicate yourself by contributing. I just want people to know what they’re getting into.
My guy, I’m agreeing with your point. This probably wouldn’t hold up as legal in court, but also IANAL.
apologies, I misread. i’m maybe a little more annoyed about this than I realized.
This is AMAZING.
Up to their sole discretion they decide to give you between $0.01-$100, via paypal only if you allow them to collect your info and pass that info to “necessary parties”.
This is well and fine for anyone who doesnt really care about that and im sure they have better interests in line with you moreso than other companies, but figured I’d post their Terms and Conditions for those that it might affect.
I dont use paypal as its literally one of the worst ways to manage money in the US. So I’m not doing this unfortunately even though i AM voting and didn’t vote in 2020.
Expand on why PayPal is especially, specificallyworse than other mainstream payment processing options?
This is not a reason for me to not participate.
Thanks for posting this, and thanks for voting!
Absolutely. 2020 made me wildly apathetic towards humanity. I’ve decided to move onto optimistic nihilism instead lol.
I’ll play the shit out of a violin while the titanic sinks just for the laughs.
Hey, welcome to team optimistic nihilism, haha. Nothing matters but at least it’ll be a fun trip down!
2020 was the first and last election I’ll participate in. Fuck America and fuck you(including tankies).
One could only hope if they did end up at an epstein party it’s at least good
Boom. Bought.
