research has proven time after time that the practice doesnt actually save energy or time in the modern age
That’s what I do with the automated cat feeders. Cats do not observe daylight savings time.
To be fair, cats don’t observe any rules.
They set rules for their subjects to follow.
I kept my Kindle on UK time so that when I wake up in the middle of the night I can read a bit and have no idea how long there is to my alarm going off, which I hate knowing.
They always used to claim daylight savings was for farmers, even though farmers are probably the people in society who least have to follow the same daily schedule as anyone else.
You can blame this fuck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hudson_(entomologist) He wanted more time to look at bugs after work.
I watched a documentary on it, it was actually a war thing. Back then many factories didn’t have lights so they could adjust to the sun easier using DST.
It was only implemented during WWI and WWII until sometime in the sixties when it became permanent.
I always thought it was for office workers and was essentially a green energy program. I’ve never heard an argument that it had anything to do with farmers, especially since farmers set their schedule by dawn and dusk.
The rationale I heard in the northern U.S. was that kids would have to wait for or walk home from the school bus in the dark. It doesn’t really make sense, but that’s not an issue apparently.
they have to get up and go to school in the dark now down here in the midwest, so idk about that one.
It never made sense to me but also DST confuses me a lot in general.
So they set it up so that the sun goes down even earlier the season with less sunlight?
It seems to me like the sun going down an hour earlier is the last thing we need when winter comes.
It is of you only care about the time you spend being a productive citizen for your boss, not your leisure time.
In a same world they would just get to school earlier and leave earlier - that’s all DST effectively does while adding a heaping helping of absolute insanity.
It also makes dealing with dates even more complicated in programming, especially when you have to check whether an event/person is in somewhere like Arizona that doesn’t do DST (besides the Navajo Nation…)
In summer, we have about 15 hours of daylight and 9 hours of night. In winter, we have about 9 hours of daylight, and 15 hours of night. In summer, on standard time, we get about 3 more hours of daylight in the morning, and 3 more hours of daylight in the evening than we do in winter.
Suppose you use a constant schedule year round, and set your alarm clock to wake you 30 minutes before sunrise in the middle of winter. If you kept that same alarm into summer, you would be sleeping through the first 2.5 hours of daylight.
DST “saves” one of those morning hours, by shifting the clock forward. Relative to standard (winter) time, you add 2 hours of daylight in the morning, and 4 in the evening, instead of 3 and 3. Switching to DST (theoretically) minimizes disruption to our morning schedule.
I think we should focus on the evening instead of the morning. The evenings are where the overwhelming majority of us are free of work, school, and other obligations. Our mornings belong to bosses and teachers; The evenings are our time for home and family, rest and recreation.
If we are going to change times, we should reverse the time change. Instead of “falling back”, we should skip forward in November, minimizing disruption to our evenings instead of their mornings. Imagine winter sunsets at 6:30 PM instead of 4:30PM. Imagine the kids being able to play outdoors for two more hours after school than they currently get.
Alternatively, (and preferably) we should just stay on “Summer” time year round.
What? No. Noon is when the sun is directly overhead.
You are describing solar noon: the highest position the sun reaches during the day.
Solar noon occurs some time between 11:30AM and 12:30PM in local standard time, depending on where exactly you are within your time zone: the east edge of your time zone experiences solar noon 60 minutes earlier than the west edge of your time zone. Solar noon only matches local standard time in the middle of the timezone.
Solar noon occurs between 12:30 PM and 1:30 PM in local Daylight Savings Time, depending on where exactly you are within your time zone. The clocks have shifted an hour, pushing solar noon an hour later in the chronological day.
Solar noon does not occur at 12PM during the summer in locations that observe DST. The clock shifts forward relative to the sun, moving solar noon back an hour.
We gain 6 hours of daylight.
Under standard time, we gain 3 hours of daylight before noon and 3 hours after noon going from winter to summer. Sunrise is about 3 hours earlier, and sunset is about 3 hours later.
But, because we also shift the clocks, sunrise is only two hours earlier in summer DST than winter Standard Time. Sunset is four hours later in summer DST than winter Standard Time. We effectively gain 2 hours of morning and 4 hours of evening time.
“Suppose you use a constant schedule year round”
It took a full paragraph to get to saying you didn’t read them comment and then four more to elaborate on that?
I introduced the concept of consistent morning schedules, and I briefly argued that we should make our evening schedules consistent, rather than our morning schedules. This would require not eliminating the time change, but reversing it.
I challenge you to find any other proposal for reversing DST: Fall Forward, Spring Back.
This is the level of not giving a damn I want to reach.
Respect! Guy’s got his own time zone.
The amount of times I’ve heard someone say ‘its for the farmers’ as if farmers have ever given a fuck what the clock says.
Farmer here. I like daylight saving time. It saves us from getting up at 4:30am during the summer. Now if yall want to stay on daylight time year-round and not get on standard time in the winter, well that is just fine by me.
So what if the clock says 4:30 am? It’s the same time in that you’re working the same daylight. All removing it would do for you is change the number on your clock, but for the people who work on set schedules it would change our needing to fuck with our sleep schedules twice a year
No, not exactly. We work on set schedules too for the most part. I have employees who have lives outside of their work. With daylight savings we start work at the same time everyday. If we’d remove it, then I have to ask them to come in an hour early during harvest. I also have a life outside my farm. I have kids who have to get to school in the morning.
I agree that changing the clocks is bad. All I am saying is do not get rid of daylight savings time. Get rid of standard time. Let’s stay on daylight savings forever, so both farmers and non-farmers are happy.
Does it really matter which time it is? If it says 4:30 or 5:30 on the clock, that doesn’t change anything related to the work being done, so the choice between daylight savings and standard time isn’t particularly important.
I currently need to be at work at 9. I don’t care if the clock says 8 or 10, I just need to know when to be at work.
I think all the complaining about which time to use is really silly, I honestly do not care which we choose, provided we eliminate changing clocks. Just pick one. Flip a coin, I honestly don’t care.
I’ve always thought why not just split the difference, set it 30 minutes in between and leave it permanently.
I think it’s for us postal workers, so we can sleep in for an hour right before pre-Black Friday and Black Friday and Black Friday Returns and Christmas and Christmas Returns. And then when we’re finally done with Valentine’s Card season we pay it back right before Tax Return season
Maybe, though I feel like this is a pretty extreme solution. It is the government though.
Ok but hes actually got it backwards. Standard time is those four months in winter, and we use daylight savings time during the summer.
True. But depending on where on earth you are located and what time zone that location follows, DST is closer to the real Solar Time (12 o’clock is Solar noon). Like Poland follows CEST but in the eastern part of the country the Solar time is close to an hour ahead. So DST is more in sync to the actual natural time.
CE(S)T reaches all the way to Finisterre in (Spanish) Galicia, well past Greenwich, which should be one hour behind, so basically at least 3 times zones. I blame Hitler.
Franco, actually.
Both to be pedantic. Hitler put France on it, Franco decided that the fascist world should share a time zone.
Universal Fascist Time. Don’t tell Trump.
Which is why I specify tz database timezones, like “America/New York”. Pick the one that’s the city closest to you and will be on the same daylight savings time switchover dates. Then don’t worry about specifying EST or EDT or whatever.
He’s not a slave to big chronometer.
Some people willingly handcuff themselves to one.
Seems like a pretty reasonable course for a farmer to take. Livestock don’t have clocks, after all.
Daylight Saving…
you can also just wake up earlier and you magically save daylight. It’s almost like winter has different sun cycles to the summer or something. What a fascinating concept.
I kind of do the same. I work 6:30am to 2:30pm for most of the year, but do 5:30am to 1:30pm during daylight savings time. It’s nice to see the sun for a little bit after work.
When working with a flexible schedule I do this too. Having your own timezone can be convinient.
I’m just going to use UTC, nothing is going to stop me, my neighbors? Get fucked learn to convert.
Fuck it, I’m going to pick a timezone on Mars and live by that. Bam, extra half hour every day! You can’t control me, Earth’s spin!
that might actually be the definition of evil
My dad did that one year lol. Refused to change his clocks or personal routine. Dunno if he was able to stick with it or not — but it was funny to hear him talk so seriously about why he “refuses to abide by such an arbitrary concept that makes his life harder, by having to adjust his body’s schedule”
His face had such a straight up “nope, fuck all that” look about it, it cracked me up lmao
I admire the commitment but if all you care about is routine and you can manage to be offset for some amount of time, just spend a week changing it 10 minutes each day. 10 minutes won’t mess with your body and you’ll be synced with everyone else in under a week.
Isn’t daylight savings time 8 months of the year? The four “winter” months are when we’re on standard time, so seems like it would be pretty easy to ignore DST during those 4 months. Or maybe I am misinterpreting?
For some people who can’t be fucked to care about it (like me, and the person in the original post) it’s the changing of the clocks we call daylight saving(s) time, not a particular time zone designation or whatever.
“Don’t forget, it’s daylight savings time this weekend”… “not again! which way do I move my clock?”
We don’t care about the details and we don’t care what it’s acktually called, we just want to never do it again. Pick a time and stick with it.
