I can’t live on $15/hr. I’m barely scraping by at $18. Minimum wage now needs to be closer to $25-30/hr.
$15/hr was the demand over a decade ago. The buying power of the dollar has maybe halved since then. When it’s finally achieved, it’ll be paraded around as an accomplishment by politicians who waited until it became too little too late and corporations will use it as an excuse to jack up prices even further.
I’m 38. Make 29/hr. I’m fortunate enough to own my home, well rather renting from my bank for the next 16 years. Anyways, I’m barley getting by as well. Between my car payment and the mortgage it’s nearly impossible to get by as a single income household. I can’t even imagine how bad it would be if I had kids.
It’s to the point where I’d consider dating someone just to cut the bills in half.
Lol… not seriously, but definitely maybe
I saw a meme recently about being polyamorous just because of the financial benefits of having multiple incomes. I’m already poly, but I can see some monogamous poeople considering poly relationships because of money issues.
It’s terrible that it happens that way sometimes but there’s some truth to that meme.
Lol yup. Tbh I tried poly and it didn’t end well cause I’m a jealous birch
Poly lifestyles are gonna get more common, since soon you’ll need three incomes just to survive!
You should consider it. If I didn’t have a girlfriend, I would be homeless cause nothing is affordable at $18/hr when you’re alone.
Don’t get me wrong my guy, I’m trying. Dating apps are tge worst. I go through cycles of meeting someone on apps, dating them for a year then they dip out. I’m not so niave to understand that I need to work on myself so I can eventually be a good partner to someone, and I’m doing just that. Therapy yoga meditation etc. However, unfortunately I fear the only way to meet a genuine partner is to meet them while emerging myself in my interests and meeting someone while doing so. However it’s tough out here
Not trying to sound conceded but I’m handsome and have no problem finding dates, but I’m tired of one nighters. I know the issue of me not being able to settle down with someone lies within me. I’m working on it and hopefully I’ll rope in my forever partner someday soon
Dating apps are garbage. Never had success with them. They’re designed to keep you on the platform for as long as possible, so if you find someone you’re obviously not going to continue using it. You’ll never find love on a dating app.
The only way to go is organically. Like you implied, you need to go out and meet people. One thing that works for me is to always put on a smile in public, even if you’re miserable (I know I am). It’s makes you more approachable. In my last two relationships I didn’t even have to do anything because women asked me out. That’s how I met my current lover, and we’ve been living together for 4 years now. But for what it’s worth, I’m attractive too. A solid 8.5.
then do it
I think he needs help. People to vote for him and a democratic house and Senate… that’s how it works
Healthcare shouldn’t be a benefit. It should be a fucking right!
Bernie ran against this clown with exactly that promise.
He may be way, way, WAY better than Trump, but I do think he’s an asshole.
It will never happen if we keep giving Republicans power in Congress and the Executive.
It is in most of the civilised world
Another thread trying to encourage not voting/voting Republican.
Why is Lemmy like this? This is half of what I see whenever I see people criticizing Joey B on here.
Why can’t people dislike and vote against Trump while also wanting to hold Biden accountable for his words/actions?
I see such a large majority of people who vote Dem/have blue/left values on here and I seriously doubt posts like these are going to change their minds. People just want to vent their frustrations with what many consider the only option they have.
Let me add to that.
“During a close election with extremely high stakes, why would we not post misleading criticism about our own candidate?”
Your questions and concerns have been discussed many times. Not sure why this concept is new to you.
Relentless, isn’t it. OP can’t be this dumb, right? It has to be on purpose.
Most of it is on purpose, and a good portion is useful idiots parroting propaganda they heard. Trump, the Kremlin, and a bunch of other powerful sociopaths love these threads.
Today I Learned that official statements and campaign promises from Biden are in fact now Republican propaganda. My favorite one is when Republicans made Biden said he would fight for abortion rights and queer protections.
Like mate, is calling out “Hey they didn’t even push for this once in office to the same political party” propaganda? Or is it just going “Don’t believe everything you hear from a politician, even with they are the lowest bar of ‘Not Dipshit Trump’”?
we can push him left once he wins
“You can push Biden left when we win.”
“Okay. Hey he’s in, I want to push him left and call his racist actions and policies what they are.”
“Why do you hate America? Why are you a Russian agent?”
He won 4 years ago this is pushing him left after he won.
Other people in the thread said minimum wage didn’t pass in the Senate.
So he made a promise he couldn’t keep. He didn’t try to win over the members in congress, or talk about it publicly why it’s the fault of Republicans, and not him.
That’s a cool guy. Remember when FDR just did nothing in Congress to push for Social Security? Or Minimum Wage? That was so cool of him. I especially don’t remember him making any fireside chats to the public talking about what would best for America and how you can help it.
Dude this is how Congress works. The president is not a king. Congress passes laws, not the president. You campaign and then you try to fulfill it, but if Congress blocks you there’s not much you can do
If you haven’t noticed, the right wing today is not the right wing of 70 years ago. They will gleefully burn everything to the ground. The GOP even shut down the government under Obama.
So now the question is what can you do. You vote for the Dems. You give them actual control in all 3 houses. Give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
I live in California and I vote Democrat. I vote in primaries.
The house and stats assembly where I live in republican redneck territory. The dipshit known as Kevin McCarthy was my rep. 65+% of all votes.
I fucking hate Republicans.
Still vote, but keep pushing him to do what he promised.
No no you don’t understand!!! We don’t need to call out him promising things and then not even asking for it in office!! HE’S NOT TRUMP!!!
You’re a russian bot, or worker, or something, we’re the good guys, and that means blindly supporting the default option!!
That apostrophe and two Ls are doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Will you do those things, Joe? Or will you try to, get foiled by Congress, attempt to do something within your power and then get foiled by the Supreme Court?
Maybe don’t say things like that until you’ve got a filibuster-proof hold of Congress. And even then it’ll get watered down.
So you don’t want him to say anything until after the election, and only if he has a supermajority? That’s not how campaigning works.
“I will do my best to push for” is perfectly acceptable and also shows he has basic civics knowledge.
I am a firm believer that overpromising and underdelivering is what hurts voter turnout the most.
I don’t think “I will do what Congress permits” is a particularly good campaign promise, even if it’s the most honest thing he can say.
How about “get me a double majority in Congress and I’ll”…
Looks like it would be a good idea to reelecte him and give him a Democratic Senate and Congress in 2024
It looked that way long before this toot.
and give him a Democratic senate and house in 2024
He had that in 2020 and it still didn’t pass.
There’s always some obstacle that prevents the Democrats from delivering what they promise.
Barely. Manchin and Sinema kept torpedoing just about any legislation that would have been actually beneficial. Though with this specific topic it appears that eight Democrats voted against it, which is still far fewer than the number of Republicans that voted against it.
That’s not to say I’m some Democrat apologist or shill, I have so many problems with the party, but for issues like these it seems like they are the lesser of two evils and if their majority margins could increase it would likely have an effect on issues like these.
and if their majority margins could increase it would likely have an effect on issues like these.
If their majority margins increased, they’d find new excuses to not pass it.
The trend would suggest otherwise, but only one way to find out. Let’s get a higher majority in there to prove me wrong!
When Obama had the supermajority for a brief time in 2008 (70ish days IIRC) we got the ACA. It was watered down a little but but it still helps a lot of people.
Yarp, and if memory serves it was watered down because he and the Dems were attempting to engage with the Republicans in good faith and after the Dems made the concessions the Republicans asked for they still voted against it.
He had that in 2020 and it still didn’t pass.
… except he didn’t have that in 2020… which why it didn’t pass… what lmfao?
He did. Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate in 2020.
The bill failed to pass because a bunch of Democrats voted against it.
From the first paragraph of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_elections :
Despite losing seats in the House of Representatives, Democrats retained control of the House and gained control of the Senate. As a result, the Democrats obtained a government trifecta, the first time since the elections in 2008 that the party gained unified control of Congress and the presidency.
… And two independents torpedoed it because they ran as Democrats despite being from essentially Republican areas with one being a giant lying sack of mega shit know as Sinema.
If you didn’t pass legislation, then you didn’t control the government. This is not a hard concept to understand. It’s one of the very few black and white ones since there is only a binary outcome lol.
And two independents torpedoed it
As well as eight other Democrats who voted against it.
We voted Democrat hard enough but voting Democrat didn’t work because we didn’t vote hard enough.
I’m sure gerrymandering has nothing to do with it…
No, I just didn’t vote hard enough. I really tried, too.
Bernie was not amused!
There’s always some obstacle that prevents the Democrats from delivering what they promise.
I mean, it’s just so weird, isn’t it? Like how it keeps happening every. single. time. Oh well, maybe if we try it getting the Dems a majority, plus the Presidency, one more time we’ll get a different result. That’s a totally sane course of action, right?
vote for trump. get what you deserve.
I’m not gonna waste my time reading a screenshot of someone else’s conversation like it’s an actual argument.
convenient. also I guess reading is hard for some folks.
I read enough to recognize a bullshit strawman argument. At least don’t be so lazy you’re unwilling to type it out yourself.
shut up and vote for trump already
What a joke! Should be 30 an hour.
From 2020. Sheesh.
It’s very weird to want strong benefits from your employer and not simply as a separate thing. Maybe that’s not what he meant but the way it’s listed is vague.
Systems like that are very hard to change for some reason, so it can be impossible for one politician to rewrite the whole system. It’s a lot easier to modify the system slightly so people can get closer to the bare minimum when total reform is off the table.
The reason is money.
The reason is limited time and attention
Yeah Obamacare was just a tiny baby step towards universal healthcare and people are still upset over it.
Fuck Obamacare! I get my health insurance through the ACA for free cause I lost my job in the coal mine when a big rock crushed my leg! These taxes going to welfare queens are ruining the country! Trump!
Free insurance through the ACA? All I remember is it making insurance mandatory.
Don’t worry he’ll make an executive order for this soon which will go into effect next year.
I asked the parliamentarian if we could do good things instead of bad things and they told me to go fuck myself :/
The $15 minimum failed in the senate 42-58, 42 Democrats voted yay, in March 2021
AFAIK, nothing passed the house for sub-minimum wages
Ensuring everyone has strong benefits might be difficult when they’re barely holding Republicans back from stripping Medicare and Social Security. They’re at least holding the line.
40 Dem + 2 Inde voted yay
Did they throw their hands in the air, too?
It was truly an ungay moment as the legislature failed to pass by 9 votes.
No, he was performing software updates and forgot to change windows.
Come on Party people. Throw your hands in the air.
They knew it would fail long before it went to vote. Much of what goes before any part of the legislative branch of government for a vote is purely performative.
If you know R will vote it down and you think D might possibly maybe vote it down unless enough of them defect at the last moment, then it’s still a very clear choice in favor of D. Plus, Manchin and Sinema got forced out of the party and Sinema’s chance at reelection is all but completely gone.
We can call their bluff or we can just take the beating without trying to fix anything.
We can call their bluff or we can just take the beating without trying to fix anything.
The end result is the same, though, because, in this particular matter, both sides are similar enough in their collective hatred of the poor that a law like this won’t get passed. It doesn’t matter if you get rid of Manchin and Sinema. It only got 40 D votes. Manchin and Sinema might bump that up to 42. Or the people who replace them might vote the same way they did on this, because there is a core ideological opposition that exists across party lines to actually helping the working class.
LMAO with this “both sides bad” idiot
Oh, it’s not that both sides are bad. It’s that there’s two sides, and the powers that be are all on the same one, and we’re all on the other, and we just happen to have “some people *ahem*” too dim to realize it.
So you’re solution is to give Republican’s majority? Sounds to me like you’re on the wrong side, mate.
So you’re solution is to give Republican’s majority? Sounds to me like you’re on the wrong side, mate.
First of all, it’s “your solution,” not “you’re solution.” Learn to spell. Second of all, I am not telling anyone to “not vote” for Democrats. I’m saying that the argument that if Democrats are given control over both the legislative and executive branches of government that it’ll result in positive legislation getting passed is simply untrue. The only real reason you can give for electing Democrats is to prevent Republicans from getting elected, because Republicans will actively pass legislation. Horrible, comically evil legislation. As such, presenting the choice as between “good” and “bad” political forces is simply wrong. The choice can only be honestly presented as between “neutral, fundamentally ineffectual” and “absolutely heinous” political forces. Optimism in the Democrats is ludicrous and comes across as disingenuous at best and deluded at worst. If you want to court leftist voters, the only real talking point you have is that it’s not a vote for the Democrats, but one against Republicans. Because that’s at least nominally true. Both parties want to preserve the political status quo of the country. Republicans just want to do it while hurting minorities, and Democrats don’t care as much about that. Minor distinction, but that’s the most we can get.
How many democrats in the senate?
I’m not American just trying to understand if any voted no or it was all republicans.
Since 2022 Democrats have 47 , Independent have 4, Republicans have 49
In 2020 Democrats had obtained the majority with 48 and 2 Independent caucusing together, against 50 Republicans. Since it was 50:50 the Vice President had to be the tie breaker for selecting the majority leader.
8 D voted nay along with 50 R, but if you don’t see how it failing was the result of the R party then you’d be a damn fool.
Thanks.
47 at the moment but there’s 2 independents (Bernie Sanders and Angus King) that caucus with the Dems, and 2 more that are “aligned” with the Dems (Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin). So currently 51ish.
But at the time of that vote it was 50ish but Manchin and Sinema were officially part of the party then. If a vote is a tie, the VP (Kamala Harris) gets to vote. So it needed 50 votes to pass.
Here’s an article on the eight Dems that voted against it: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541860-the-eight-democrats-who-voted-no-on-15-minimum-wage/
Note that Manchin and Sinema voted against it and have left the party since then. This is largely because of them voting against this and similar legislation created a general disdain for them within the party. They won’t be back after the next election.
All 50 republicans voted against it.
Oh Jesus. Jon Tester’s campaign texted me yesterday asking for money. I dont even know how I got added to his list but knowing he voted against raising the minimum wage makes me infuriated he would text someone outside his district for help.
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It’s a choice between the 42/50 party or the 0/50 party.
That’s how Sinema got elected…
Sure but is that how she got through the primary? And did we get a worse outcome than if her Republican opponent won?
Just to be clear, NOT trying to defend or paint her in a good light.
And she’s out of the Democratic party now.
The seat belongs to the individual on the ballot, it doesn’t belong to the party. That means someone holding a seat can go against their party which is generally good as it prevents the party from having too much power. But the downside is when you get a lunatic in a seat and all you can do is get rid of them in the next election.
Which is what’s happening. Sinema was going to be challenged in the primary and likely to lose. She decided to go independent, but last I heard, after seeing her polling numbers she’s dropped out completely.
As I said elsewhere, the Democratic Party is the 42/50 party while the GOP is the 0/50 party. You probably shouldn’t vote for a party no matter who’s elected, but even if you took this naive approach, the Dems might potentially become a 50/57 party. The GOP will always be the 0/50 party.
Ideally you’d check the platforms of every candidate at the primary stage through to the general and vote accordingly. If most people did that the Dems could be a 50/50 party.
But most people aren’t that involved politically. Blue no matter know, while isn’t ideal, is still better than voting GOP or not voting at all.
B-but it’s the Democrat’s fault!
Says the people who
a) Are secretly Republicans trying to act like insecure Democrats
b) Try to find any reason to blame Biden, even if it’s adjacent blame
c) All the above
And people vote for Republicans? Are they retarded?
And then they blame it on the Democratic president, so…yes.
They’re just doing what fox “news” is telling them to do. They can’t think for themselves.
Yes. The GOP only survives because of poor education.
It really is sad to see the same crowd talking about how great things were back then, and suck now, when they’ve spent the last four decades voting in the people who have spent the same time diminishing public education’s effectiveness. My parents are some of those voters…
Thank you.
Do not take anything said during a campaign year as immutable fact. Ever. Not gonna happen. Ever.
because of Republicans.
Politicians of all flavors are guilty. Its endemic to the species
“What is the Executive Order 14026 2024?” へ “The EO 14026 minimum wage in effect from January 1, 2024 through December 31, 2024 is $17.20 per hour. 14026 minimum wage. Similar to other workers subject to EO 14026, tipped employees must be paid a cash wage of at least $17.20 per hour, effective January 1, 2024…”
Pinky promise ?
