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      From a bot, to a person who really believes that, to a person who just thinks it’s funny to be annoying, there is nothing quite as sad as these kinds of comments.

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          Yea, so, it’s actually ok to signal your virtues. It’s not ok if you’re lying, but just about every single person I’ve heard talk about like it’s some great evil is extremely aggressive in doing it for their own scummy values, is very often hypocritical about them, and only complains when they hear someone speak about kindness. Pretty much every single right-wing campaign and internet meme is just completely empty virtue signalling, for example. It’s all just a show so people can feel tough because they’re piss-scared of of actually being tough and standing up against an abusive authority.

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              It really isn’t, but maybe you just don’t get it. Unfortunately, the reality of our current situation is that nuance is a luxury reserved for when your worst likely option is still somewhat decent, and you’re arguing details. At the moment, it’s just half the world telling the other half to go fuck themselves for asking for basic respect and rights and both halves are getting rat-fucked by the rich.

              So yea, when someone gets confused by how another could be radicalized a lot of us just tiredly go “how the fuck aren’t you?!”

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    When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.

    ~Hélder Pessoa Câmara

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        At the root of that is racism and prejudice, just like everything else. They don’t want the money going to certain groups, and the charities that they support align with their goals.

        This is the same reason for private/charter schools; they get to be more…selective in their admissions (and deep down this is the real reason people support voucher programs)

        It’s all about control and the chain of oppression.

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          Reminds me of that recent ad that pissed off the right wing world because it depicted a white person as a Welfare Queen.

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            Please…biggest welfare queens out there are probably the Waltons.

            The whole reason they keep their billions is because a huge chunk of their employee payroll is subsidized by welfare and medicaid…and then most of that money ends up getting spent in their stores!

            You know what the worst part is…is that between Amazon, Target, and Walmart…Walmart is actually seeming like the lessest evil. What the fuck, timeline?

            I don’t even remember what I had against Target so bad. I wanna say it was how quickly they kissed-the-ring on Trump-2 and started echoing his anti-DEI sentiment, but who knows, a lot has happened.

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    People just let mean people be mean because it is easier than having a confrontation about them being shitty. Thus our entire society is engulfed with shitty people with shitty attitudes never getting told off or suffering consequences. Everyone doubles it and passes it on.

    I would like to see a society where if someone is mean or abusive, they get their shit rocked on the fucking spot. Physically break their bodies in accordance to how abusive they were behaving.

    I will not be taking questions, thank you.

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      I just say bigots instead of mean people because that’s who I actually mean.

      I have a feeling that’s not who you mean though lol.

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          Considering you said “mean” people I assume people you personally find mean, which is super non specific really.

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            I mean everything from “if someone says some wildly offensive shit they should get slapped instantly.”

            To “if you are primarily responsible for the deaths/impoverishment/manipulation/deceit of millions, your body should be extruded through a fine sieve as means of execution at the earliest possible moment.”

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    Nowadays quoting the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany (Grundgesetz) is for most people totally antifascist and radical…

    And usually my reaction is “bro did you ever checled what happened so we enforced that law…?”

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    I am a Scottish derived Redneck, utilitarianism is in my blood the current systems rarely deliver particularly good utility towards the common man so I hate it. Now imagine how much worse I got when I learned of what happened at Blare Mountain? To say my hatred and bloodlust are rather extreme would be an understatement, I wish to build a new mountain range from the corpses of corporate dogs and their fool defenders.

    Also I value culture and see how the current systems strip it down for profit, which I consider to be the start point for the philosophical death of mankind.

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    People have intellectual empathy. They know what they’re supposed to feel. They know how you feel. That’s how they know how to manipulate or abuse you.

    There’s something about people that’s missing the part where they care.

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    Fun Fact: Conservatives are biologically unable to experience empathy. It is simply not possible to experience empathy and hold conservative views simultaneously.

    An inability to experience empathy is why bigotry comes so easily to a conservative. It’s why cruelty comes so easily to a conservative. It’s why they accuse empathetic people of “making it up” or being weak. Their inability to experience empathy is at the core of their attacks on the empathetic, using epithets like “being woke” to describe them.

    The inabilty to experience empathy is why conservatives’ relationships are so shallow. Deep personal connections require empathy. This is why they see their family as property rather than humans. A conservative “loves” their spouse and child the way a teenager loves a sports car. Ownership is a strong emotion, but it is not deep. An attack on their family is an attack on their property, not humans they love. In fact, a conservative will almost never say “I love you” because it’s simply not accurate.

    Conservatives are not brainwashed or tricked into being cruel. They simply cannot experience empathy. This is why they will never change. They will never have some epiphany and suddenly become kind and reasonable. They will always be a threat to the empathetic as they are genuinely disgusted by empathy.

    If you suspect your conservative family, friends or neighbors hate you, it’s likely because you are empathetic toward them. They deeply distrust empathy and will never be comfortable around it.

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      It can be a temporary thing, or result from trauma. It is an evolutive advantage for a population for it’s people to have empathy. On an individual level, it has a cost so when an individual is in survival mode, they will let go of empathy.

      Artificial scarcity and intentionally putting oneself in scarcity situation (ex: putting all your economies towards starting a business) makes it more likely one will lose their capacity for empathy.

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        Very interesting angle. I have spent decades trying to understand why conservatives are so consistently unable to experience empathy, including why they so often attempt to hide this trait. So far, the most evidence I can find points to physiological sources, with measurable correlations between air/water pollution levels and density of conservative populations.

        But, I also suspect socioeconomic conditions are relevant as well. I’ve just had trouble finding any measurable correlations at scale. I think this is a lack of directed research issue, though. If you have any suggested reading on your angle, I would love to follow that path where it leads. I would also love to find more behavioral correlations as they might imply conservatism or distinct lack of empathy is something that can be addressed sub-generationally.

        Obviously correlation doesn’t imply causation, but very little research is aimed at this. So as a little solo hobby, I’ve got to look for leads somewhere.

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          Unfortunately, I think this is mostly a personal observation, but one about which I can’t find anyone who disagree.

          Even conservatives will agree, but all the while thinking it’s good to put themselves in scarcity situation, thinking it will force them to pull themselves by the bootstraps and make them grow/get better.

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      Ur copypasta is dumb as hell. And u are literally not even a smidgeon better/smarter than KKK members that say that all blacks are evil. You are literally using the same generalizations. Blocked.

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        Copypasta? Copied from what? Reality? 😆 I’d invite you to read my comment history before getting bent out of shape, but judging by your conservative-level grammar, I’d wager reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. Byeeee! 😄

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      Our world today must have been as hard to imagine as it is to imagine the world centuries ago. Like the entire concept that Leviticus and Exodus stated that it was wrong to accept interest on a loan. Martin Luther even tried to keep that up when Calvin split off in the early 1500s. So that’s like a 3000 year period from Leviticus to Calvinism that capitalism just couldn’t exist the way it does today. Every business and many of the shackles on society are tied to interest rates.

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    I’ve thought about this question for over 10 years and I’ve had many answers. The most consistent answer throughout the years has been simply listening

    I’m a quiet person and people generally notice that I’m a good listener. This somehow makes me the unexpected therapist. People just tell me what’s truly in their hearts and on their minds. Sometimes they don’t even notice they are saying what they are saying and it catches themselves off guard. They talk, I listen. What people don’t realize is that I remember too…

    I’ve heard so many stories. Rejection, manipulation, poverty, hate, sexual violence, war and the list goes on

    The gift of making people feel heard and the curse of remembering all their stories

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    Empathy is complex. There is nothing basic about it, nor does anyone enjoy the presumption that people shall be empathetic.

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    Paying attention.

    The world is on fire while the Epstein class diddles.

    Empathy is weakness to the most fragile little boys with insanely huge egos and a rapacious need to hurt everyone and anyone for a nickel.

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    checks alt text

    (nothing)
    Case in point: this image is basically pure text, but in a form unperceivable to people who need actual text.
    No empathy there.
    Empathy truly is radical.

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        Hostility biased to construe a forthright criticism maliciously for not being ingratiating to your standards demonstrates an insecurity more concerned with saving face rather than consideration for points others make, so it’s not particularly empathetic or enlightened, and it’s somewhat entitled. A just person cares more about doing what is right than in satisfying their ego even when it seems to cost them and goes unappreciated. Their acts are an unusual wonder.

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            Another superficial style over substance fallacy: you argue over style rather than address substance. As remarked earlier, such cheap, emotionally-stunted tactics for a superficial, self-centered mind aren’t a great argument for empathy.

            Same advice as before: self-reflect, take personal inventory.

            Earlier remarks stand.

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      no consideration, certainly. no word on empathy content.

      ‘empathy’ does not mean kindness or virtue or caring. it is a specific narrow thing that, as demonstrated, has limited utility without other virtues. think of it like cinnamon. goes in a lot of things, more than you’d think but not all, and kind of garbage on its own.

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      Where I am, liberals stand for “liberal economy” and are full blown capitalists with little empathy. I’d say it applies more to socialists.

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      True, and an awful lot of fools react with hostility to facts that offend them. Where is their empathy?

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      Watch some young children, or even babies, and you’ll see that’s not generally true. It’s not perfect, you’ll definitely see some unempathic behaviour, but the basics are there. Babies and children will comfort each other, and often share. Even chimps and other primates have been seen showing empathy.

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        Empathy as a moral guide usually refers to universal empathy rather than a biased, discriminatory empathy favoring only an in-group.

        Infants show biases such as in-group favoritism early

        But the next finding surprised the researchers: When the puppet that dropped the ball did not share the babies’ taste in food, the infants preferred the mean puppet to the helper. In other words: Babies prefer someone who is nice to an individual similar to themselves, but they also prefer someone who is mean to a dissimilar individual.

        That’s not empathetic.

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          That study doesn’t seem to have been looking for empathic behaviour, but at preference. I’ll admit, I’ve not ready the study itself but, from the summary you’ve linked, it seems the infants were basically shown a puppet show and then given the opportunity to reach for any of the puppets. I wouldn’t expect any particular display of empathy there, as even babies can tell a puppet from a living creature a lot of the time. That they expressed preferences for particular puppets that had shown certain behaviours is interesting, but I wonder about the confounding factors like the apoearance and even quality of puppetry. We know that babies have individual preferences towards certain face types and general appearances, so this probably carries over into a scenario like this.

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            So, they have less empathy for the outgroup of puppets? That’s not a strong argument for inborn empathy.

            While I can’t speak for you, I remember imagining inanimate objects had feelings as a kid, which made choices to reject something absurdly difficult.

            Facial preferences don’t help, either, and are part of an established body of research showing the early, undirected manifestation of discriminatory biases. On racism, for example

            Race is a multidimensional and socially constructed (Smedley & Smedley, 2005) lens through which even infants engage with the social world. Research from racially and culturally diverse contexts has shown that 3-month-olds prefer faces from particular racial groups (Bar-Haim, Ziv, Lamy, & Hodes, 2006), and 9-month-olds use race to categorize faces (Anzures, Quinn, Pascalis, Slater, & Lee, 2010). Before entering preschool, 3-year-old United States-based children associate low-status racial groups with negative traits (Dunham, Chen, & Banaji, 2013; Newheiser, Dunham, Merrill, Hoosain, & Olson, 2014), and by age 4, they associate particular racial groups (e.g., Whites) with high status markers (e.g., wealth; Olson, Shutts, Kinzler, & Weisman, 2012). And United States children experience the negative consequences of living in a racialized world: seven-year-olds experience racial discrimination (Marcelo & Yates, 2019), and race-based discrimination is widespread in schools (U.S. Government Accountability Office, 2018).

            the APA has argued racist ideas can emerge early, so adults need to talk about race with their children earlier. Such biases are not very empathetic and need correction.

            Empathy is a skill that needs development.

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      Very true. Empathy must be learned.

      Usually, that would happen in early childhood … but with the way certain political movements have been villainizing empathy, I’m concerned that there might be half a generation of kids currently growing up whose parents actively avoided teaching them empathy…