I once saw a jogger push the crossing button on one of the busiest roads in the city and then continue on his way without crossing. I kinda respect that kind of mad-lad behaviour. :)
This HAS to be satire
I’d say it’s about 50/50. Which would make it very good satire it was. But I don’t want to influence Schroedinger’s satire by peeking.
It’s not satire :(
Yeah I just saw some of the other comments…
Theres a special place in hell for people that push the button and then decide to cross before they get the walk signal, and force all lanes to wait for no one to cross
Valhalla, I think it’s called. Heroes!
How? Press button… Cross before walk signal. Make everyone else wait. How is that cool? If you’re just going to cross anyway, don’t press the button.
I don’t understand the down votes. Seriously. What am I missing. What makes the button presser a hero to make everyone else pause for them, when they aren’t even there anymore?
What you’re demonstrating is a lack of empathy, hence the downvotes.
Look: People gotta get places, even degraded subhumans like pedestrians. (/s, obviously, but that’s the message street design conveys.) So, imagine you’re walking, and you come to yet anothet intersection with yet another stream of cars in your path. You need a clear path to proceed and not die, so you need to cars to stop, or be absent.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not clairvoyant. I can’t see the future, or view remote locations. So, if you’re like me, you can’t cross because of the cars, so you push the button provided by the city to make the cars stop, so that you can move forward and not die.
But, then, and this is where the lack of clairvoyance comes in, there’s a gap in traffic that you did not foresee! Now, you face a choice: Cross the street while not under threat of a gruesome death under the wheels of a vehicle, or wait until you have the righteousness of a pictogram of a little, white man to light your path while you walk into the path of a speeding brodozer, hoping the driver stops in time. People with a survival instinct prefer the former.
Or, without the color commentary, humans need to cross the street to get to their destination with minimum delay. Asking them to stop, wait, and do a traffic flow analysis to determine whether they need to push the walk cycle button is unrealistic. They’re not actually out to screw you, they push the button so they know that they will eventually get a walk signal, but will go earlier if possible.
It’s a rational strategy to deal with a terrible system designed by some of the dimmest people on the planet, i.e. American traffic engineers.
Sorry if I’m getting whooshed, but their don’t know that they’re going to cross anyways. They’ll cross in whichever situation comes first.
I think it would be better if all stop lights were just red by default, and you had to push a button to drive your car across the intersection. Then you won’t needlessly inconvenience walkers.
Fun fact, if there weren’t cars we wouldn’t even need traffic lights.
Fun fact if it weren’t for cars you wouldn’t have this technology to bitch about cars on.
One hour commute to the office for a job that could be done from home is the real destruction of time in a human life.
This is ragebait either originally or reposting it here, even if you did caption it how you did.
You don’t push the button because you’re concerned about delaying cars.
I don’t push the button because I trust my own eyes better than a walk/don’t walk signal, and I can usually find a good opening faster than it takes for the signal to change to ‘walk’.
We are not the same.
You’re not finding any openings without pressing the button if there really are 100 cars crossing in the span of 30 seconds.
I don’t understand what he wants the pedestrian to do. Not cross at all? Wait until there’s no traffic?
I think he just wants pedestrians to just not exist at all or maybe die trying to cross while traffic is flowing.
IRL Frogger
Frogger.
I see people press the button and wait when there’s clearly no traffic.
Press button, stay in the lines, if worried about success of your personal injury suit :)
Well, if there’s a pedestrian traffic light, that’s the legal thing to do
Also the speed limit there might be 45 miles per hour. Crossing 6 lanes of traffic without a light may be impossible even if there is no traffic when you start!
Yes, because you have a red light, you stop, press button and wait for green. At least that’s what I’ve been teaching to my kid, maybe I’m wrong?
Jaywalk.
But if they move in a J formation, they won’t successfully cross the street
Clearly, the pedestrian should get a car, and OP just happens to work at a used car lot.
Well he’s a blockchain guy so maybe he wants everyone to rent or lease used cars via some DeFi car lending app.
And when everybody’s driving they’ll complain there is too much traffic and the roads are now clogged.
I’m guessing he wanted the person to wait until it changes for the cars or something
Even from the picture, that’s clearly not 100 cars for a four-way intersection. 12, maybe.
100 (25 per side) would be a massive queue.
That’s a 6 lane road. You must be perpetually on steroids to think that would be normal.
Stroad, it’s a stroad. It’s why I hate North America.
A left turn lane, a right turn, and a through lane is normal? Anything else allows endless backups. Pedestrians prevent cars from turning right and left, and oncoming prevents cars from turning left, and than no one can go straight either.
It’s usually 2 lanes each way only 100m or so before the intersection and it widens to this configuration. A single lane road still usually has one type of turning lane at all intersection as well.
What are you even complaining about?
A left turn lane, a right turn, and a through lane is normal?
No. No it’s not. That’s a design for a major artery, not for every single street with shops on it. If you grew up in the United States, and haven’t traveled, I’m afraid to tell you that you’ve never seen good road infrastructure in your life.
“I never walk further than my driveway, so I don’t see a problem.”

I sure never have, yep.
There, not surprisingly, is way to have nature and infrastructure, who would have thought? Not you apparently.
God forbid that someone would want to walk somewhere in cities, right? Let those assholes walk in forests like normal people. They can do all the walking they want there, then get back in the car and drive in the city like the founding fathers intended.
Why would a road prevent that?
You don’t think I didn’t walk to that park from my house?
You’re assuming a hell of a lot, and slandering me with fake quotes as well, based off your assumption I’m apparently some cave dweller that can’t walk?
slandering me with fake quotes as well
you’re one more hard headed post from actually hurting yourself.
This is is about pedestrians having to cross all 6 lanes at that spot while cars rush past. I don’t care how good it is against congestion.
Next you’re gonna tell me they should ignore the friendly button, walk 100m and cross where it’s “only” 4 lanes anymore.
What are you even complaining about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad#Disadvantages
There’s also some very nice YT videos explaining the problem and better solutions.
This is what you describe:

This is how i think the intersection on the image looks like:

The difference seems small, but the amount of lanes after cars crossing the street is a big deal.
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If the outer lanes are only for traffic turning left or right, at the other side of the interchange there should only be one lane left. That is not how this interchange looks to me.
Why would you need three incoming lanes, though? Three outgoing makes sense temporarily, but you only need a single incoming lane if you’re going to go back down to two total, and the OP has three incoming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motonormativity
It isn’t normal to have six lanes (>80% of available land) to be exclusively for vehicles. I mean, it is normal in North America but it really shouldn’t be. The problem is two of those lanes could be a bicycle path with a tram line to allow for a lot more throughput while creating space for people to walk around and loiter which then provides increased opportunity for local business’ to create sales and boost the local economy. This would also have a knock-on effect of decreasing congestion (backups) because when there are other, viable transportation options, more people will choose not to drive. With less traffic, local trades and shipping companies will also experience greater productivity with less time spent idling, which also means less air pollution which in turn reduces strain on the medical system. Not to mention all the money saved by people not buying gas, insurance, doing maintenance, etc. (which can then be put into other industries instead of being tied up in transportation).
As well, with stroads like in the OP, all potential customers just go right past to strip malls outside the urban centre that are essentially only accessible by driving. If they do stop at places along a stroad like this they usually park, do whatever it is they need to do, then leave asap because it’s not a nice place to be with all the traffic noise an noxious gasses. With the intersection in the OP specifically, one can imagine a sort of town square where people can sit with their family and have dinner or whatever else. Instead, it’s a few acres of asphalt that raises the local temperature by a few degrees while creating a massive obstacle for pedestrians, especially if they have to cross diagonally. The heat especially makes it a really shitty place to walk through and can even be dangerous for elders or people with weakened respiratory systems. These facts, and the almost non-existent pedestrian infrastructure creates a negative feedback loop where more and more people are using cars to get around because of how awful it is to walk anywhere leading to more focus on vehicle infrastructure, and more people driving cars.
Using only personal vehicles to get anywhere is not a scalable transportation solution and greatly hampers economic growth outside of specific industries (that are usually related to vehicles). By providing other transportation options to people by using land that would ‘normally’ be used for parking or right/left turns (especially intersections), more economic opportunity is created, business’ that rely on transportation (shipping, delivery, plumbers, electricians, etc.) will become more efficient as traffic is reduced and people that live in the area will become healthier.
I mean, overall it’s just good for the economy to provide more options and not pave the entire place with asphalt.
No, it should not be normal. While we still have cars in cities (which we categorically should not), we must at the very least make sure there is no more than one lane in each direction, including most intersections. “Endless backups” are unavoidable with cars in any case because of a combination of basic geometry and induced demand. We should instead optimize for the safety & speed of other road users, literally all of which are more efficient than car drivers.
I see three right hand lanes there (as in, the side of the road closest to the camera has three lanes for a single direction of traffic), which means that it’s 6 lanes by default and widens to somewhere between 7 and 9 at the intersection, depending on turn lane configuration. That is unless you want to assume an unbalanced configuration where there are three lanes in one direction and only two lanes in the other, which frankly I consider unlikely.
I said there was 3 lanes on each side?
A right turn, a left turn, and a through lane.
Those 3 close lanes would merge back into 2 100m from the intersection. It allows free flowing traffic. It allows a through lane, a lane for vehicles to turn right into as well.
That’s not how any intersection I’ve ever seen works, you don’t have more outgoing lanes than incoming straight through lanes.
Stroad, n. A road on steroids
Streets are intended for stops. Homes, driveways, shops. Low speed. Walkable.
Roads are intended for travel. There should be very few turnoffs, no surprise entrances, etc. Roads are intended to get you onto streets. Generally medium to high speeds.
Stroads combine the worst of both to make death traps, accidents, and make walking difficult, uncomfortable, or impossible.
What’s with the assumption that the pedestrian getting to their destination is less important than all the drivers? If a bunch of people get held up a long time for a smaller number of people, blame the city planners.
Not to mention the fact that to cross to the opposite corner, a pedestrian often has to press two buttons and wait for two sets of light changes. Drivers only have to wait more than one when there are too many cars.
I’ve always found that really stupid. Just have two buttons, one for the diagonal and one for the crossing. And if you press the button for the diagonal, it stops all lanes of traffic so you can cross diagonally. Like, you can’t tell me it would take less time having to stop the lights twice for you to cross one way and then cross the other, then it would be to just stop all the lanes of traffic momentarily while you cross diagonally.
While also sitting on cushioned seats in a closed off, air-conditioned space. The lazy bastards can fucking wait for me to mozy on by.
Class warfare
What’s with the assumption that the pedestrian getting to their destination is less important than all the drivers?
The pedestrian is probably poor.
Oh you mean like a bus full of people sitting behind a 1995 camary?
Yeah, if the busses are used a lot they should get their own lanes and other special considerations.
As long as I’m adding another comment, I should mention that it’s usually not the city planners fault. It’s interest groups leaning on elected officials to lean on the city planners, who would design safe and efficient cities if left to their own devices.
You’ve got it backwards. Give them their own lane and priority at signals etc. Then they will get used a lot.
More realistically they have to work in parallel. The NIMBYs will easily destroy a bus service that inconveniences all the drivers if nobody is riding it yet.
as they should, the government needs to not discriminate again their existing infrastructure unless they have a real replacement (as far as I am aware no place actually has public transit that replaces cars properly)
i’d like to see it the other way around, drivers have to get out and run over to press the beg button. At least they will be getting some exercise.
Judging by the pic, it’s maybe 6-7 cars so 2-3 minutes of human life destroyed. A little uneven but not terrible.
If that road had 100 cars passing every 30 seconds, there’s no able, adult male going to Frogger himself across six lanes.
Nor a mom pushing a stroller, a person w/ a cane, etc
Although, surprisingly, he did mention those as exceptions.
What makes me mad is when people press the button and then jaywalk immediately anyway. If you press it, you should have to wait just like the drivers will.
What makes me mad is pressing the button and then having to wait an additional 5+ minutes for the ped signal to change because it needs to finish the current green phase for cross traffic and an advance left turn phase before letting peds go.
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This is how they seem to work in the US. Coming from other countries - where you know all vehicles have a red light when pedestrians have green - it’s fucked up. Same with green turn signals for vehicles, actually. I don’t know whom thought that made sense…
I do it because it pisses you off. I even press the button when I have no intention to cross the road. Chaotic neutral energy.
This guy is going to shoot a pedestrian for pushing crosswalk signal buttons and claim he’s stopping a serial killer.












